EAs Origin is creepy and watches you sleep

DASHlT said:
Exactly. WON was great, and I hated steam with a passion.

Now look at steam...I love it everything about it...yet I hated it at first.

It's the same damn thing here
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No it's not the same thing. You were wrong with Steam, but that doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong about Origin.

Kinda funny how you are calling folks in this thread fanboys but you have the most posts in this thread. Just askin... who's the fanboy here?
 
Met-AL said:
No it's not the same thing. You were wrong with Steam, but that doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong about Origin.

Kinda funny how you are calling folks in this thread fanboys but you have the most posts in this thread. Just askin... who's the fanboy here?
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No doubt man.

Seriously to all the Origin sympathisers here. Take a step back, look at the EULA not caring or knowing what the software is. Who wants that shit with no Opt-Out available on their system? This is really going back to the Blizzard debacle from what, 8-10 yrs ago? No one wants anyone having this type of activity sent to anyone from their system. Especially with such wide open and vague wording. I want BF3. iw ant ME3 even more, i fucking have a hard on for Mass Effect, but seriously, with this shit, ima either have to suck it up and buy it on console or go another route unless Origin lets me opt-out.

I havent had an opinion either way until this shit came to light.
 
i still fail to give a shit.

you couldn't even opt out of the MSE thing for quite a while but that didn't stop people raving about how awesome it is.


Send basic information to Microsoft about software that Security Essentials detects, including where the software came from, the actions that you apply or that Security Essentials applies automatically, and whether the actions were successful. In some instances, personal information might unintentionally be sent to Microsoft. However, Microsoft will not use this information to identify or to contact you.

With the advanced one being even more 'creepy'


people just bitching to bitch, these clauses are everywhere.
 
Ever read the PunkBuster EULA?

Licensee further acknowledges and accepts that PunkBuster software may be considered invasive. Licensee understands that PunkBuster software inspects and reports information about the computer on which it is installed to other connected computers and Licensee agrees to allow PunkBuster software to inspect and report such information about the computer on which Licensee installs PunkBuster software. Licensee understands and agrees that the information that may be inspected and reported by PunkBuster software includes, but is not limited to, Licensee's Internet Protocol Address, devices and any files residing on the hard-drive and in the memory of the computer on which PunkBuster software is installed. Licensee acknowledges and agrees that if Licensee does not want Licensor to collect and process such information, Licensee should not use the PunkBuster software. Further, Licensee consents to allow PunkBuster software to transfer actual screenshots taken of Licensee's computer during the operation of PunkBuster software for possible publication.
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RX3 said:
Ever read the PunkBuster EULA?
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That's bad. I've always hated punkbuster, now I hate it even more. Though it still doesn't make Origin good... just because punkbuster are fucking douchbags doesn't make EA non-douchbags :p
 
socK said:
i still fail to give a shit.

you couldn't even opt out of the MSE thing for quite a while but that didn't stop people raving about how awesome it is.


Send basic information to Microsoft about software that Security Essentials detects, including where the software came from, the actions that you apply or that Security Essentials applies automatically, and whether the actions were successful. In some instances, personal information might unintentionally be sent to Microsoft. However, Microsoft will not use this information to identify or to contact you.

With the advanced one being even more 'creepy'


people just bitching to bitch, these clauses are everywhere.
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Take a step back and look at yourself. Your now bitching about other people bitching. Your no better than they are. Besides the point of internet forums like these are to share your opinion with others.
 
"It's fine that a company with a terrible track-record that pulls every kind of shit in the book wants to take and distribute our personal information, because companies with far better track-records have the ability to do the same thing."

It's not the ability I have an issue with, but the likelihood that EA will actually abuse it.
 
I'd like to point something out since people mention you can "opt out" of Valve Hardware surveys. This does not mean the hardware surveys (or software surveys) is actually the limit of what data Valve collects. The agreements you agree to actually give them greater scope in collecting information than this, and it is quite obvious if you look at many Steam functions they collect more data than simply the hardware and software surveys. As far as I know there is no generic opt out of everything clause. You can also note that Valve is not a publicly traded company, so there is actually less disclosure and related regulations concerning their operations.

The truth is no one knows for certain what Origin/Steam or likely any program/service collects specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if the EULA in the Microsoft programs you use have similar language. You might as well not buy from Steam or Origin or anywhere online either since you CC company likely tracks your purchases as well. Run your own e-mail server as well. This is the age we live in of data mining. You can either accept it, start a grass roots movement for change and regulation, or live off the grid. If you just want to protest one company for doing it, that would be frankly either pointless, ignorant or stem from personal hate.
 
Fuck EA. I have always hated that damn company. From the way they treat their employees, to the OP shit.
 
Plague_Injected said:
"It's fine that a company with a terrible track-record that pulls every kind of shit in the book wants to take and distribute our personal information, because companies with far better track-records have the ability to do the same thing."

It's not the ability I have an issue with, but the likelihood that EA will actually abuse it.
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Oh you bet your ass they will abuse it! Give em an inch and they will take a mile. I cant wait for 3-6 months down the road for the I TOLD YOU SO thread to pop up.
 
ZodaEX said:
Take a step back and look at yourself. Your now bitching about other people bitching. Your no better than they are. Besides the point of internet forums like these are to share your opinion with others.
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Take a step back and look at yourself. Your now bitching about me bitching about people bitching. Your no better than I am. Besides the point of internet forums like these are to share your opinion with others.

ps it's you're
 
I can already sense an increase in piracy of EA titles. Maybe they should make people wait 8 days after it installs before allowing you to play it. Oh that's just Fox :D
 
limitedaccess said:
I'd like to point something out since people mention you can "opt out" of Valve Hardware surveys. This does not mean the hardware surveys (or software surveys) is actually the limit of what data Valve collects. The agreements you agree to actually give them greater scope in collecting information than this, and it is quite obvious if you look at many Steam functions they collect more data than simply the hardware and software surveys. As far as I know there is no generic opt out of everything clause. You can also note that Valve is not a publicly traded company, so there is actually less disclosure and related regulations concerning their operations.

The truth is no one knows for certain what Origin/Steam or likely any program/service collects specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if the EULA in the Microsoft programs you use have similar language. You might as well not buy from Steam or Origin or anywhere online either since you CC company likely tracks your purchases as well. Run your own e-mail server as well. This is the age we live in of data mining. You can either accept it, start a grass roots movement for change and regulation, or live off the grid. If you just want to protest one company for doing it, that would be frankly either pointless, ignorant or stem from personal hate.
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Great post, too bad I think most people will ignore it. So, I went and quoted it on the news post.
 
boredreflux said:
Great post, too bad I think most people will ignore it. So, I went and quoted it on the news post.
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He has forgotten that Steam also has a great number of haters. If these haters could come up with any proof at all that Steam was selling or using our data despite the opt out, they would point it out to us in thread after thread after thread that so much involved a game available on Steam.

I am not saying it is not possible, or that the EULA does not say they can. Merely saying that nobody has come forward with anything more than the EULA. While the same could be said of Origin so far, it does come down to a matter of trust in the end. Not near as many trust EA.

EA being publicly traded is not in their favor in this matter. Their fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders nearly forces them to exploit every opportunity to generate revenue, regardless of their own conscience, or societies mores. Selling your data is an opportunity to generate revenue.
A privately owned company, can actually be run according to the conscience of it's owners.

As such, there is almost no way EA can get out of exploiting our data. Now or later, or how they exploit it, is the only real question. With Steam, it is actually the owner's choice.
 
The "new" EULA just outlines what EA is likely to take from your PC. Some will argue that this was not the original intention and what data EA would take was dialled back due to the reaction from gamers, and others will argue it's simply specifying what EA intended to take in the first place.

Either way, if the EULA stays as it is then it shouldn't be a major concern anymore.

GORANKAR said:
He has forgotten that Steam also has a great number of haters. If these haters could come up with any proof at all that Steam was selling or using our data despite the opt out, they would point it out to us in thread after thread after thread that so much involved a game available on Steam.

I am not saying it is not possible, or that the EULA does not say they can. Merely saying that nobody has come forward with anything more than the EULA. While the same could be said of Origin so far, it does come down to a matter of trust in the end. Not near as many trust EA.

EA being publicly traded is not in their favor in this matter. Their fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders nearly forces them to exploit every opportunity to generate revenue, regardless of their own conscience, or societies mores. Selling your data is an opportunity to generate revenue.
A privately owned company, can actually be run according to the conscience of it's owners.

As such, there is almost no way EA can get out of exploiting our data. Now or later, or how they exploit it, is the only real question. With Steam, it is actually the owner's choice.
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This.
 
THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING! This will simply be another EULA in the hundreds I've clicked in my life. There really are some paranoid fruits in the world.
 
I still argue that the days of evil EA actually ended years back, and everything since has just been the result of PR incompetence of epic proportions. This doesn't look like a break from that pattern.
 
Its even sneaking in on your Steam games.

I fired up Dead Space 2 last night and guess what popped up, the new EA privacy policy stating that they're gonna share your information with 3rd parties.

Since I'm playing single player only I was able to decline with no issues but was informed that I wouldn't be able to access any online content or any multiplayer games until I accepted their new policy.

Have to say that caught me by suprise since I bought this as a retail box copy and access it via Steam. Origin had nothing to do with it but EA is still able to fuck with me.
 
It's really lame that you have to agree to having your information shared with 3rd parties to use a product that you paid for. It's even lamer that sheeple are OK with this just because it's the status quo; though, if people had any sense of principle, I guess this country wouldn't be in many of the stinks it's in now.
 
Krieger91 said:
He's using Windows 7.

WE GOT HIM NOW!!!
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And his ISP address, software he has installed and uninstalled, what websites he visits, if he has anything downloaded illegally, what peripheral hardware he's using. And EA may use this COMBINED WITH PERSONAL INFORMATION that we get from when he registered his account and games, for marketing and share it with other 3rd parties.
 
GORANKAR said:
As such, there is almost no way EA can get out of exploiting our data. Now or later, or how they exploit it, is the only real question. With Steam, it is actually the owner's choice.
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Yes, it's your choice by using Valves services or forums, the same goes for EA, the same for tons of other EULAs you've agreed to. It's normal to have a EULA that asks for your consent to gather and use data about you. Yet, anyone who brings it up is labeled as sheeple, a shill, an apologist, or a sympathizer but somehow blindly following an agenda, a bandwagon of smear and discredit isn't. See it for what it is, people making as much noise as possible because a game won't be on Steam.....and if it was they would have still had to agree to EAs EULA. The issue shouldn't be what it says in Origins EULA, it should be on how common it is. Instead EA is getting singled out for doing something everyone else does, by people throwing a tantrum because some game(s) they want to play won't be on Steam.

Wasn't a fan of being forced into using Steam, not going to be a fan of being forced to use Origin but I'm also not blind to the fact, given Steams acceptance and popularity, that other companies weren't going to take suit.

Feel free to label me and tell me that I'm bending over but take your head out of the sand for a moment to notice you're standing beside me, even if it is just on the other side of the fence.
 
MacLeod said:
And his ISP address, software he has installed and uninstalled, what websites he visits, if he has anything downloaded illegally, what peripheral hardware he's using. And EA may use this COMBINED WITH PERSONAL INFORMATION that we get from when he registered his account and games, for marketing and share it with other 3rd parties.
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You might want to read their Privacy Policy then go read Valves. Privacy Policies supersede the EULA, the only personal information they share is what you consent to otherwise it's all anonymous non identifiable, non personal info. They're not trying to find out you pirated Lady Gaga's discography.
 
boredreflux said:
Yes, it's your choice by using Valves services or forums, the same goes for EA, the same for tons of other EULAs you've agreed to. It's normal to have a EULA that asks for your consent to gather and use data about you. Yet, anyone who brings it up is labeled as sheeple, a shill, an apologist, or a sympathizer but somehow blindly following an agenda, a bandwagon of smear and discredit isn't. See it for what it is, people making as much noise as possible because a game won't be on Steam.....and if it was they would have still had to agree to EAs EULA. The issue shouldn't be what it says in Origins EULA, it should be on how common it is. Instead EA is getting singled out for doing something everyone else does, by people throwing a tantrum because some game(s) they want to play won't be on Steam.

Wasn't a fan of being forced into using Steam, not going to be a fan of being forced to use Origin but I'm also not blind to the fact, given Steams acceptance and popularity, that other companies weren't going to take suit.

Feel free to label me and tell me that I'm bending over but take your head out of the sand for a moment to notice you're standing beside me, even if it is just on the other side of the fence.
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If it does not matter to you it does not matter. No sense in labeling anyone over it.

I will not be using Origin. Not due to this EULA, not because I beleive Steam is above reproach, but because I have absolute and complete faith that EA will eventually f*** me over if I subscribe to their service, and I am just tired of having to log onto so many different services. How many damn services do I need to be subscribed to anyway? I decided to draw the line at Steam, GFWL, and Gamespy. In fact, I consider that to be too many different services just to play a game. If I have to stick to indie games, I can do that, f*** the EA's, Activisions, and Ubi Softs of the gaming world.
 
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MacLeod said:
And his ISP address, software he has installed and uninstalled, what websites he visits, if he has anything downloaded illegally, what peripheral hardware he's using. And EA may use this COMBINED WITH PERSONAL INFORMATION that we get from when he registered his account and games, for marketing and share it with other 3rd parties.
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He's using a Logitech mouse, Firefox, he uninstalled old drivers and torrented a movie!!!

WE GOT HIM NOW!!!
 
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Yeah call us crazy. We happen to think its none of EA's fucking business what browser we use, what peripherals we use, what programs we use or what websites we visit. And it wouldn't be an issue if you could actually, you know, opt out of it like you can with Steam's. Especially when all I want to do is play a fucking game that I paid for!

Yep, we're a bunch of wackos.
 
MacLeod said:
Yeah call us crazy. We happen to think its none of EA's fucking business what browser we use, what peripherals we use, what programs we use or what websites we visit. And it wouldn't be an issue if you could actually, you know, opt out of it like you can with Steam's. Especially when all I want to do is play a fucking game that I paid for!

Yep, we're a bunch of wackos.
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Try this again:

I'd like to point something out since people mention you can "opt out" of Valve Hardware surveys. This does not mean the hardware surveys (or software surveys) is actually the limit of what data Valve collects. The agreements you agree to actually give them greater scope in collecting information than this, and it is quite obvious if you look at many Steam functions they collect more data than simply the hardware and software surveys. As far as I know there is no generic opt out of everything clause. You can also note that Valve is not a publicly traded company, so there is actually less disclosure and related regulations concerning their operations.

The truth is no one knows for certain what Origin/Steam or likely any program/service collects specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if the EULA in the Microsoft programs you use have similar language. You might as well not buy from Steam or Origin or anywhere online either since you CC company likely tracks your purchases as well. Run your own e-mail server as well. This is the age we live in of data mining. You can either accept it, start a grass roots movement for change and regulation, or live off the grid. If you just want to protest one company for doing it, that would be frankly either pointless, ignorant or stem from personal hate.
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MacLeod said:
Yeah call us crazy. We happen to think its none of EA's fucking business what browser we use, what peripherals we use, what programs we use or what websites we visit. And it wouldn't be an issue if you could actually, you know, opt out of it like you can with Steam's. Especially when all I want to do is play a fucking game that I paid for!

Yep, we're a bunch of wackos.
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Well I already know half of what you mentioned, I know you visit hardforum and I know your peripherals because they are in your signature along with the rest of your hardware. Did [H] make you display that info? If not, then it seems like you have no issues letting people know what you use and etc.



I'd like to point something out since people mention you can "opt out" of Valve Hardware surveys. This does not mean the hardware surveys (or software surveys) is actually the limit of what data Valve collects. The agreements you agree to actually give them greater scope in collecting information than this, and it is quite obvious if you look at many Steam functions they collect more data than simply the hardware and software surveys. As far as I know there is no generic opt out of everything clause. You can also note that Valve is not a publicly traded company, so there is actually less disclosure and related regulations concerning their operations.

The truth is no one knows for certain what Origin/Steam or likely any program/service collects specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if the EULA in the Microsoft programs you use have similar language. You might as well not buy from Steam or Origin or anywhere online either since you CC company likely tracks your purchases as well. Run your own e-mail server as well. This is the age we live in of data mining. You can either accept it, start a grass roots movement for change and regulation, or live off the grid. If you just want to protest one company for doing it, that would be frankly either pointless, ignorant or stem from personal hate.
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Sounds like you are pissed just because you hate EA for reasons other then this, and theres nothing wrong with that.
 
master noran said:
Well I already know half of what you mentioned, I know you visit hardforum and I know your peripherals because they are in your signature along with the rest of your hardware. Did [H] make you display that info? If not, then it seems like you have no issues letting people know what you use and etc.

Sounds like you are pissed just because you hate EA for reasons other then this, and theres nothing wrong with that.
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It's plain spyware. (and I'm not exempting valve either. I was thinking they are opt out, but maybe not opt out of everything?). Any information I give should be voluntary. Microsoft has been pretty good about giving you the option to send reports to their servers. I don't think people would be pleased if Windows 8 windows update services required you to accept that you computer must frequently phone home and report all (anonymous of course).

One way or another this will end very badly for the consumer if it's normal business practice for every program you install to spy the computer it's installed on. Sure most of the info and most of the time no harm is done, but it is human nature for companies (i.e. people to get carried away). Mistakes happen with data handling. Or dishonesty down the road after spying becomes common place. Bad principles lead to bad consequences.
 
master noran said:
Well I already know half of what you mentioned, I know you visit hardforum and I know your peripherals because they are in your signature along with the rest of your hardware. Did [H] make you display that info? If not, then it seems like you have no issues letting people know what you use and etc.
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Oh you got me there. What other websites do I visit? What bank website do I visit once a month to pay my house payment? How about my name, ISP address, zip code? What programs have I installed or uninstalled on my computer.

Me posting my rig specs on an enthusiast site isnt even in the same ballpark as some program recording tons of info about not only my computer but how I use it. And let me repeat myself, its fucking ridiculous that EA forces you to let it record all this information simply because you want to play a game that you paid for! I bought Dead Space 2 at Target. Didnt use Origin for anything. Activated it thru Steam. Yet EA has wormed its way into the game.
 
MacLeod said:
Oh you got me there. What other websites do I visit? What bank website do I visit once a month to pay my house payment? How about my name, ISP address, zip code? What programs have I installed or uninstalled on my computer.

Me posting my rig specs on an enthusiast site isnt even in the same ballpark as some program recording tons of info about not only my computer but how I use it. And let me repeat myself, its fucking ridiculous that EA forces you to let it record all this information simply because you want to play a game that you paid for! I bought Dead Space 2 at Target. Didnt use Origin for anything. Activated it thru Steam. Yet EA has wormed its way into the game.
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You don't really want to issue out that challenge do you Aaron? ;) lol. We have some very good internet detectives in here that could get most of that info pretty quick.

Either way I'm not all that worried about it. They can only pull so much info before it would be breaking privacy laws anyways.
I'll be enjoying BF3 on day 1 thanks to pre-order :).
 
Wow lots of cock fighting in here over Origin.

I think EA is a shitty company with shitty ideas about how to handle their business, the fact they are the ones who publish Battlefield 3 means they have quite a few nerds by the balls.

Go ahead and track my computer -- I use my neighbors wifi anyways hahaha

In the future, if this trend continues, a point will be reached when people will no longer compromise for the goods they purchased. It's pretty sad already how companies like EA, apple, and entities like Wall Street, banks, are big enough to force their will onto others.

The only reason all this is happening is because I think a majority of people forgot what its like to have a choice. Everyone is consumed with having the latest iphone, the coolest car, blah blah blah.
 
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