Porsche Doesn’t Care About Video Game People

wankelguy13b said:
Last time I read and looked up Porsche, they had a longer racing history than the GT-R ever had...thought Porsche sucks to some people. Don't say the GT-R is new, because it' not. It's just the latest version of the Skyline that was never made in the US.
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Err...certain models of Infinities are known as Skyline's in Japan.
 
Outamyhead said:
Err...certain models of Infinities are known as Skyline's in Japan.
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The current generation Skyline, sold as the G37 sedan & coupe in the US, is just a carry over of the name to sell.
The GT-R tag, which was placed as a Skyline GT-R (R32/33/34), was the top performance for Nissan. Other models were Skyline GT-T or GT-S which were the same chassis (R32/33/34) but different suspension, motor, transmission, etc. Which is now sold in the US for the first time as the Nissan GT-R (R35).

On the topic of Porsche not giving a shit, they do not, because people buy it because of the name, Porsche. Does that make it better than some other car or company? No, but Porsche does have heritage and years of experience building top performing cars. And for those wondering why you spend 100k on Porsche? Well it has to do with the after sale service. Yes, services can be a bit expensive from Porsche but it is a car you can take to the track on the weekend and beat the crap out of and still have your warranty on Monday 100%.
 
sdhsbaseball said:
Seriously.... Most Porsche looked like a streched out vw bug.. Yup thats reaaaaaal cool looking. On the other hand you have a car that looks like it wants to rip your tits off standing still. Let alone add a few basic things intake, exhuaust, ecu and bam you have a car that is just down right scary to take corners in since it stays planted on all fours at over a G.
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Your opinion differs from mine. I think that Nissan looks like another crappy Asian car and personally find the Porsche looks badass. You think exactly the opposite. Someone should try it though, how many hot chicks you can get with a porsche and how many hot chicks you can get with that Nissan.
 
theDreamer said:
The current generation Skyline, sold as the G37 sedan & coupe in the US, is just a carry over of the name to sell.
The GT-R tag, which was placed as a Skyline GT-R (R32/33/34), was the top performance for Nissan. Other models were Skyline GT-T or GT-S which were the same chassis (R32/33/34) but different suspension, motor, transmission, etc. Which is now sold in the US for the first time as the Nissan GT-R (R35).

On the topic of Porsche not giving a shit, they do not, because people buy it because of the name, Porsche. Does that make it better than some other car or company? No, but Porsche does have heritage and years of experience building top performing cars. And for those wondering why you spend 100k on Porsche? Well it has to do with the after sale service. Yes, services can be a bit expensive from Porsche but it is a car you can take to the track on the weekend and beat the crap out of and still have your warranty on Monday 100%.
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Porsche's warranty is fucking garbage considering the cost...

4 year, 50k is bad even by the standards of American auto companies...
 
Disposed said:
Porsche's warranty is fucking garbage considering the cost...

4 year, 50k is bad even by the standards of American auto companies...
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I never said the time of the warranty was good, I said the service was good, two completely different things.
Though the time of a warranty & service is all going to change with Ferrari offering its new program.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Your opinion differs from mine. I think that Nissan looks like another crappy Asian car and personally find the Porsche looks badass. You think exactly the opposite. Someone should try it though, how many hot chicks you can get with a porsche and how many hot chicks you can get with that Nissan.
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You'd probably get a similar number of hot chicks, just different nationalities and interests. :p
 
Arcygenical said:
Y'mean like BOSE?

Magazine tests :cool:
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I have plenty of gripes with magazine tests (and I don't like BOSE) but completing throwing them out the door eliminates the only significant method of exposing consumers to new cars and the only significant source of third party review for vehicle comparisons.
 
I thought it was a requirement to be having a midlife crisis to buy a porsche anyway?
 
QuiteSufficient said:
From reading on the internet you would never guess that Nissan had only sold a grand total of ~4900 GT-Rs in the united states since the vehicle was released.
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Because there's no market for it here. Granted, the sports car market is very small to begin with, but its especially small in the U.S. The average joe doesn't care about performance, he wants 40mpg and something that will keep his kids safe in case of an accident. That's not to say that a lot of people don't buy "sporty" cars like Mustangs, but as far as a true sports car like a GT-R goes, there's only a very small number of people who can both afford one and would want to buy one. If the average joe wants something a little faster than the normal grocery-getter, he'll go get a Mustang or a 370Z and call it a day, both of which would be considered "sporty" or "fast" cars to the average person yet also cost less than half of what a GT-R does.

TwistedAegis said:
Piston engines are for newbs anyway. ;)
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You're right.

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or go home ;)
 
SLiGuy said:
Because there's no market for it here. Granted, the sports car market is very small to begin with, but its especially small in the U.S. The average joe doesn't care about performance, he wants 40mpg and something that will keep his kids safe in case of an accident. That's not to say that a lot of people don't buy "sporty" cars like Mustangs, but as far as a true sports car like a GT-R goes, there's only a very small number of people who can both afford one and would want to buy one. If the average joe wants something a little faster than the normal grocery-getter, he'll go get a Mustang or a 370Z and call it a day, both of which would be considered "sporty" or "fast" cars to the average person yet also cost less than half of what a GT-R does.
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A mustang is considered sporty? I thought that had its own category of "American Muscle Car" :confused:
 
SLiGuy said:
Because there's no market for it here. Granted, the sports car market is very small to begin with, but its especially small in the U.S. The average joe doesn't care about performance, he wants 40mpg and something that will keep his kids safe in case of an accident. That's not to say that a lot of people don't buy "sporty" cars like Mustangs, but as far as a true sports car like a GT-R goes, there's only a very small number of people who can both afford one and would want to buy one. If the average joe wants something a little faster than the normal grocery-getter, he'll go get a Mustang or a 370Z and call it a day, both of which would be considered "sporty" or "fast" cars to the average person yet also cost less than half of what a GT-R does.
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Chevrolet sells lots of corvettes every year, including lots of z06s (the gt-r's truest price:performance:mod performance competitor), but I am anxiously awaiting your reply as to why the corvette is not a sports car or something like that.
 
How are those apex seals, on the rotary engine, working ... lol.
 
QuiteSufficient said:
Chevrolet sells lots of corvettes every year, including lots of z06s (the gt-r's truest price:performance:mod performance competitor), but I am anxiously awaiting your reply as to why the corvette is not a sports car or something like that.
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That is true. A big reason for that is the name. Everyone in America knows the Corvette name. It's been a car that's been around for decades. Kids grew up with it, longing for the day that their father or grandfather would pass their Corvette down to them. It has history behind it that the GT-R doesn't, at least not in America.

When people see the GT-R, they also see the "Nissan" badge. Nobody wants to pay $100K for a Nissan, even if it is competitive with a Z06 both in terms of price and performance. The name alone is a turn-off. That's why Acura and Infiniti were born; people don't want to pay luxury-car prices for something that has a Honda or a Nissan badge on it, so instead they create a new company and market these certain cars in a completely different way.

With the GT-R, I guess they wanted to keep the legacy behind it by introducing it under the Nissan name and not Infiniti, which is understandable. They also didn't really push it that much as far as marketing goes. It was a rather big launch on a global scale, not so much for the U.S.

When it comes down to it, branding and logos are extremely important to a lot of consumers. That's why people pay for Gucci bags or buy Porsches (see what I did there? :p). I'm not saying that these things aren't of remarkably high quality when compared to something like a $20 bag you find at Macy's or a Honda Civic, but a large part of that price tag is due to the name, and nobody wants to pay $100K for a Nissan, a name that is associated with fuel-efficient, family-friendly mid-sized sedans more than it is with sports cars (again, at least in the U.S.).

And no, I'm not saying a 'Vette isn't a sports car. The thing is a beast, and the lap times at the 'Ring don't lie. It's just that it has history and tradition behind it in the U.S. whereas the GT-R doesn't, which is one reason why it sells so much more than the GT-R.

In Japan, it would be the other way around. I'm not sure if 'Vettes are even sold in Japan, but I would assume that if both cars were readily available, the sales figures would be reversed, despite the fact that they are both really competitive as far as price : performance ratio goes.
 
Of course there's a relationship between kids today playing video games and the cars they'll aspire to own in the future. Anyone who thinks there isn't is an idiot.

Hell, tell me you don't know, or have at least heard of someone who's designed a paint job for their car in Forza?

And look at the rise in North American popularity of the Skyline. You can't tell me that video games had nothing to do with it??

Or, let's look at the fact that Top Gear is paying dearly to be involved with Turn 10 and Forza? Why do you think that is? Could it be marketing???

And for the Porsche owner on page one (on your 7th Porsche), tell me that you haven't entertained the thought of trying out a GT-R because of what people who play video games have said.

Or let's talk about the Nurburgring...Although a very famous track, known the world over, before it was brought out in video games, who could have named the parts of the track?? Now, thanks to Gran Turismo, Forza, Etc, alot of people know every turn, all 174 of them, like the back of their hand. They also know how fast they can take the Carousel in a Porsche Caymen with Street Soft tires and what gear they should be in to do it.

Video games have a huge impact on our lives, whether we admit it or not. I sit on the subway on the way to work, and I watch all sorts of people playing video games, from kids off to kindergarden to grandparents going to lawn bowling. They're a part of our culture and aren't going anywhere.

Porsche (a brand I very much respect) not putting their cars into a major product like Forza or Gran Turismo is a mistake. How many copies of GT and Forza have been sold since their inception? Call it a minimum of 65,000,000 copies. Going to maybe 10,000,000 gamers. Why the hell would you not ACCEPT MONEY TO ADVERTISE LIKE THAT?????

Are you freakin' bonkers????

I make an average living, and live an average life, I have to experience cars like 911 Turbo's through my friends and clients. But, whenever I want, I can sit in my living room and PRETEND I own a Porsche and do hot laps around the Green Hell.

My two cents. Whether you wanted them or not!
 
Jajuka said:
These new games allow you to not only drive the car and get the feel of it (as best you can by driving a video games, which many have said to be a pretty accurate representation)
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I've yet to play a video game where the car handled realistically (like the real car) and I have a long list of 'real' car experience.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Why would I want performance over looks when the speed limit is 65mph?
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You have no right to post green crap like that in a performance oriented thread. Go be happy buying a prius and leave the real car talk to gearheads. :p
 
BBA said:
You have no right to post green crap like that in a performance oriented thread. Go be happy buying a prius and leave the real car talk to gearheads. :p
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What are you talking about? You want me to drive 180mph on the freeway and pay shitloads of money and get my license taken away? who said I want a green car, I said I want a car that looks good but can still perform. But I care more about the looks than having world class performance.
 
Coming from a former Porsche owned let me say they are amazing cars. They are understated and not for everyone I agree. If you want a corvette or a GTR then go for it! but I know having driven most performance cars on the market; the 911 is truly unique. Its an amazing drivers car. The only car Id consider agianst a porsche is a viper. They are totally the opposite end of the spectrum I know but they appeal to the engineer in me :)

Actually I am tempted to say that the best car Porsche ever made was the 951. Amazing balance, and tuned correctly it will make plenty of power.
 
I always laugh at the people who yell "mid life crisis" when they see someone in a nice vette or 911

I'm 29, I bought my first "sports car' at 24 out of college (RX8), and then my current baby my 08 Z06 when I was 27.

Does that mean I'm only going to live to be 54? The reason you see most people with a car like that when they are middle age is because they were busy paying for YOUR ass to go to school, or paying off the house YOU were growing up in.

I was very lucky to land a great job outta college (which vanished during the economic collapse) oh well still have the vette :)

People spend crazy amounts of money on what they want to. I blew 70K on a vette while some hippy would only spend 100 dollars for a bicycle. Neither of us is wrong, usually the first one to say anything negative is the ignorant piece of shit.

I'm a car nut always will be, to me it's a lifestyle, a love, fun, and beauty all wrapped up in one. To others it's just a box on wheels that carries them around town they couldn't give two shits about.

It's funny though the ones that are so judgmental are usually the most ignorant. People have come up to me with an attitude like I'm poisoning the earth with my car. When I tell them I can get 30mpg on the highway in cruise in 6th (yes even with a big 7L V8) they shut up very quickly.

The greatest lesson most people haven't learned is to just stfu and enjoy your car. Who cares what that other piece of shit thinks. :)
 
collegeboy69us said:
It's funny though the ones that are so judgmental are usually the most ignorant. People have come up to me with an attitude like I'm poisoning the earth with my car. When I tell them I can get 30mpg on the highway in cruise in 6th (yes even with a big 7L V8) they shut up very quickly.
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I hate this with a passion. My coworker was telling me about how his dad has a couple of Porsches and how he would often run into people who would verbally berate or harass him and say that he's "killing the planet" with his car.

I see this A LOT, being that I live in the Bay Area, which is kinda like hippie central...ugh.
 
And those who complain about the emissions, probably have a wife that drives the biggest and most useless SUV in town. :D
 
sdhsbaseball said:
Seriously.... Most Porsche looked like a streched out vw bug.. Yup thats reaaaaaal cool looking. On the other hand you have a car that looks like it wants to rip your tits off standing still. Let alone add a few basic things intake, exhuaust, ecu and bam you have a car that is just down right scary to take corners in since it stays planted on all fours at over a G.
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LOL, the GTR doesn't look like it'll rip anything off. Actually it already did, the GTR is basically a hopped up awd TT Infiniti G35 coupe. Also I'm not a fan of driving a super nannied car, I actually like to do the shifting and not have any of the computer nannies that the GTR has.

And to the GTR fanboy's get over yourselves, the GT2 RS will readily smack down a GTR. Not to mention their up and coming 918. If Porsches look plain to you (including the Carrera GT and 918), that probably means you're driving an Aventador . :rolleyes:
 
Need a tissue? You seem to be crying - A LOT lmao. Nobody who likes a GTR is saying a Porsche is bad. Get off your high horse.

People these days... all in the name of Porsche.. no wonder there is so many stereotypes for you.
 
chimera996 said:
LOL, the GTR doesn't look like it'll rip anything off. Actually it already did, the GTR is basically a hopped up awd TT Infiniti G35 coupe. Also I'm not a fan of driving a super nannied car, I actually like to do the shifting and not have any of the computer nannies that the GTR has.

And to the GTR fanboy's get over yourselves, the GT2 RS will readily smack down a GTR. Not to mention their up and coming 918. If Porsches look plain to you (including the Carrera GT and 918), that probably means you're driving an Aventador . :rolleyes:
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You know a G35 is a Skyline in other parts of the world right? How can you rip something off when its the same company. Anyways, the GT2 RS has to be faster than GT-R, its triple the price of a GT-R and costs more than a 458 Italia or a MP4-12C which in fact does make a 911 or any other Porsche look plain by comparison. A 245k Porsche shares the same unibody as a 78k Porsche. You can go so far with a engine behind the rear axle, which isn't ever ideal for a high performance car. Even Porsche knows this and thats why the 911 never moved up to the higher classes like GT1.
 
911's drive in a magical way the GT-R and all it's computers just can not compare to. If you've never been behind the wheel of one you just can't understand. I'd take even a 1971 911E over some shitty overpriced computer on wheels with an automagic transmission that takes no skill to drive.
 
Valker said:
Coming from a former Porsche owned let me say they are amazing cars. They are understated and not for everyone I agree. If you want a corvette or a GTR then go for it! but I know having driven most performance cars on the market; the 911 is truly unique. Its an amazing drivers car. The only car Id consider agianst a porsche is a viper. They are totally the opposite end of the spectrum I know but they appeal to the engineer in me :)

Actually I am tempted to say that the best car Porsche ever made was the 951. Amazing balance, and tuned correctly it will make plenty of power.
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Let me interject something here: While I agree with most of what you said about the Porsche, one thing stands out: I have driven one other car that drove the way the 911 I was driving (2003) for a while did was a 2001 Z06. The Z Corvettes are totally different from the standard run of the mill vette's ( Z caorvettes are not-sluggish in anyway, which is a statement that cannot be said about other Corvettes).
 
chimera996 said:
LOL, the GTR doesn't look like it'll rip anything off. Actually it already did, the GTR is basically a hopped up awd TT Infiniti G35 coupe. Also I'm not a fan of driving a super nannied car, I actually like to do the shifting and not have any of the computer nannies that the GTR has.

And to the GTR fanboy's get over yourselves, the GT2 RS will readily smack down a GTR. Not to mention their up and coming 918. If Porsches look plain to you (including the Carrera GT and 918), that probably means you're driving an Aventador . :rolleyes:
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Really? Considering the G35 is a VQ35DE motor, single intake low revving motor, RWD, naturally aspirated car, and the R35 GT-R is a VR38DETT which is a dual intake, twin turbo, AWD car.

Nanny controls, I seriously doubt you could take a GT2 RS and beat a similarly skilled GT-R driver. And even still, all the nanny controls of the GT-R can be turned off if you wanted, of course it is still a paddle shift double clutch gearbox. Take a few minutes to look at the way the auto industry is going and you will see a very increasing trend, they are all moving to a paddle shift system (even Porsche) because it is faster, just as engaging on the track and a better system.

If you want to even make a comparison you should at least do a little research.
On the part of the GT2 RS beating it? Yes it does, by a whole .22 at the Nurburgring, source, of which the GT-R was in semi-wet condition.
 
WaterIsTasty said:
911's drive in a magical way the GT-R and all it's computers just can not compare to. If you've never been behind the wheel of one you just can't understand. I'd take even a 1971 911E over some shitty overpriced computer on wheels with an automagic transmission that takes no skill to drive.
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I'm sorry but the 911 does not take skill to drive, and yes I have driven one before. Overpriced is subjective, Porsche for me is overpriced for what I have driven.
 
refraxion said:
Need a tissue? You seem to be crying - A LOT lmao. Nobody who likes a GTR is saying a Porsche is bad. Get off your high horse.

People these days... all in the name of Porsche.. no wonder there is so many stereotypes for you.
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Nobody here is crying, I'm just pointing out the GTR fanboys who tout Porsche as wimpy or plain looking need to take a look at the g35 coupe and 350z and see that those 3 cars look identical.

AeonF1 said:
You know a G35 is a Skyline in other parts of the world right? How can you rip something off when its the same company. Anyways, the GT2 RS has to be faster than GT-R, its triple the price of a GT-R and costs more than a 458 Italia or a MP4-12C which in fact does make a 911 or any other Porsche look plain by comparison. A 245k Porsche shares the same unibody as a 78k Porsche. You can go so far with a engine behind the rear axle, which isn't ever ideal for a high performance car. Even Porsche knows this and thats why the 911 never moved up to the higher classes like GT1.
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:( Yes I already knew they were the same company, but thanks for reminding me. Also your price point isn't entirely true, a z06 is 70k and outshines cars that are 250k.
theDreamer said:
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Really? Considering the G35 is a VQ35DE motor, single intake low revving motor, RWD, naturally aspirated car, and the R35 GT-R is a VR38DETT which is a dual intake, twin turbo, AWD car.

Nanny controls, I seriously doubt you could take a GT2 RS and beat a similarly skilled GT-R driver. And even still, all the nanny controls of the GT-R can be turned off if you wanted, of course it is still a paddle shift double clutch gearbox. Take a few minutes to look at the way the auto industry is going and you will see a very increasing trend, they are all moving to a paddle shift system (even Porsche) because it is faster, just as engaging on the track and a better system.

If you want to even make a comparison you should at least do a little research.
On the part of the GT2 RS beating it? Yes it does, by a whole .22 at the Nurburgring, source, of which the GT-R was in semi-wet condition.
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Wow this is [H] for you, a bunch of nerds that think they know it all, true you do know more about computers but I'm more of a car guy with computers as one of my side hobbies. I already knew that the g35 and GTR don't share the same engines or chassis for that matter. My point was they all basically look that same and the GTR is nothing but a hopped up g35. Which is the same thing that could be said for the 911's, but the base 911's will stomp on base g35/g37 350z/370z.
You can't really judge my driving skill as you don't know me, and I started karting when I was 19 in 2004, and from the start I was neck-neck with my brother who started at 13 years old. I raced 125cc ICC karts at Infineon x4 and Laguna x2 (road courses) no to mention the actual kart tracks, so my track time is probably more than yours, also I did those races in between combat deployments, so please stfu.
And as far as research goes, I didn't even have to look since the 2011 GT2 RS clocks the Nurburgring at 7:18. Also none of these tests are even legit because they all don't start at the same location and they also have rolling starts. Having said that there still is no nannied awd GTR clocking faster times than a GT2 RS or a ZR1.
 
chimera996 said:
Wow this is [H] for you, a bunch of nerds that think they know it all, true you do know more about computers but I'm more of a car guy with computers as one of my side hobbies. I already knew that the g35 and GTR don't share the same engines or chassis for that matter. My point was they all basically look that same and the GTR is nothing but a hopped up g35. Which is the same thing that could be said for the 911's, but the base 911's will stomp on base g35/g37 350z/370z.
You can't really judge my driving skill as you don't know me, and I started karting when I was 19 in 2004, and from the start I was neck-neck with my brother who started at 13 years old. I raced 125cc ICC karts at Infineon x4 and Laguna x2 (road courses) no to mention the actual kart tracks, so my track time is probably more than yours, also I did those races in between combat deployments, so please stfu.
And as far as research goes, I didn't even have to look since the 2011 GT2 RS clocks the Nurburgring at 7:18. Also none of these tests are even legit because they all don't start at the same location and they also have rolling starts. Having said that there still is no nannied awd GTR clocking faster times than a GT2 RS or a ZR1.
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Guess what, I am a car guy also first and computer second.
Look the same, really? Have you even seen a GT-R because honestly that is just hysterical. That is an impressive history of you driving but it is a large leap from karts to larger vehicles. Many of the fundamentals are the same, but does not mean much.

The base 911 is not a competitor to the Nissan 370z (or G37), the Z competes against the Cayman S and actually beats it. The GT-R competes against the 911 GT2 and Corvette Z06, Nissan has its work cut out with the Z06 setting a new lap record recently. Unfortunately we will not see Nissan back until 2013 at the earliest so no official lap time of the ring other than the 7:22 semi-wet condition.

And just so you are aware, I love Porsche, a 911 turbo will probably be my next car. It is foolish to think though that Porsche is far superior to Nissan. Porsche has some very competitive edges and history, but Nissan comes back just as strong in what it does best. One reason they both are always winning when they race their cars.
 
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