Can I build a SFF sbout the site of a small shoebox??

My dad said it would be $1200 to build one, I haven't looked around yet, but it seems I could do it for less.

I want a system at least ad powerful asEVGA. nForce 650i ultra Intel Core 2 Duo Wolfdale E8200 2.66GHz 6MB Cache Dual Core 1333MHz 4 Gig DIMM-DRAM NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS with 512 DDR3 memory (PCIe 1.00 x16)/ It eould be nice to have a small system anyway, this mid tower is a pain to move. I found a few things
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...17075X740592X7d7f56df1fde29a74e2d48eb78560888

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...17075X740592Xba356a853b96c013e1a40c9a7a3d72f3

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Super-Mult...1KM6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1313946695&sr=8-5

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-...ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1313947022&sr=1-3





I have a HDD, didn't look up a CPU & ram, but that should be no big deal yo look up.

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You shouldn't have a problem with choices so far. CPU & RAM are not difficult to choose either. For RAM just go to ASRock's website for that mobo and it will have list of known compatible RAM modules. 4GB (all you really need for gaming) is pretty cheap nowadays. $30-$35 for many of the kits. Should be a link on the right side of the ASRock page. CPU choice comes down to two decisions. 1) Your budget. 2) Do you plan to overclock or not. For overclocking you could go with a i5 2500k or i7 2600K quad core and if you do not plan to overclock go with a non K CPU quad core. Example; 2300, 2400, 2500, and 2600. You could also go with a i3 2100 dual core. That is probably your starting point as far as power goes to surpass the E8200 in performance. If you want this mainly for playing today's and future games I'd suggest one of the quad cores.

ntel Core 2 Duo Wolfdale E8200 2.66GHz

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Any sandy bridge desktop chip even a lowly pentium G will be faster than that old C2D. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/58?vs=406

That GPU you have picked is WAY faster than an 8800GT.

Are you trying to build a machine that is as fast as your existing rig (I presume the "must be better than" specs represent your current rig) or one that is significantly faster than it.

That case seems rather pricey to me but cases are a very personal thing and some people consider it worth spending a lot of money on a nice one.

Note that intel has clamped down on overclocking with sandy bridge chips. Only K suffix chips are fully overclockable and i3 and pentium chips aren't overclockable at all. You also need to have a P67 or Z68 chipset to overclock. Not that I would generally reccomend overclocking a small form factor system.

MB wise if you want to overclock or want SSD caching or quicksync I would stick with that z68 board. If you don't want any of those things a H67 board will be cheaper.

Make sure your GPU will physically fit your case if you have not already done so!

The case is looking not so good as fitting graphics card so I found a
SilverStone Sugo SG01B-F, nevermind I found http://www.amazon.com/Asus-GeForce-Silent-Profile-PCI-Express/dp/tech-data/B004X68L44/ref=de_a_smtd that should fit, but where do I find out about power usage?

For figuring out power supply requirements check out http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Pretty nifty and will get you like 95% of the way there. BTW the 1155 T series chips are only 35watt so like the 2100t, which in benchmarks destroys a q6600, and is I think still faster than a e8400 let alone a 8200. You can always lock the power profile on the chip too, so take a 2100 and lock the power state (depends on bios?) and you are sitting with a 2100t at 10-$15 cheaper. I would think you best bet for a video card to trump the 8800gt and still be low profile/power efficient might be the ATI 5650.

So all in all you are maybe looking at $600, unless you want to go a little higher end.

Looks like SilverStone Mini-ITX/Mini-DTX Case with 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Power Supply SG07B (Black) is the case I need then.

yes and is big enough to fit whatever VGA you plan to use with it.

Well I want to keep it below $1200 also. So ITXs take normal ram right, not laptop ram? I can't find that motherboard on amazzon & the ITXs I find usually have a really bad 1 star reviews. Will some one do that Motherboard in the first post & this http://www.amazon.com/Asus-GeForce-...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314195609&sr=1-1 on the Power usage site for me, not sure what to pick in some areas? That MB has no probs. does it? Oh & that slim blue ray is a combo, but that is not a choice. Plus, what about that PSU, there is no real info on it? Sorry for all the questions.

You don't need a 600W power supply. The 450W one of the Sugo 05 can handle A LOT, besides, the case is smaller and cheaper than the SG07. I myself have been looking at a system similar to this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163171
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186211
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116398
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148419
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150551
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151242

That system will be able to run any new game with good graphics, while having a max power draw of <150W. And the best thing, it's only $ 490...

I am a Nvidia guy, sorry, besides doesn't ATi have probs. with the drivers. Oh, I got you, I read the reviews on newegg, this one is looking better http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-P...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314207404&sr=1-12 so I am ok again. Can that PSU not handle that card?

Will this work together?

SilverStone SG05BB-450 ALL Black Plastic/SECC Mini-ITX Computer Case with SFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified/Single +12V rail Power Supply (Black) with
120mm fan

Intel Core i3 Processor i3-540 3.06GHz 4MB LGA1156 CPU BX80616I3540

Corsair 4GB Dual Channel Corsair DDR3 Memory for Intel Core i5 Processors (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9)

MSI nVidia GeForce GT440 1GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card N440GT-MD1GD3/LP

Asus P8H61-I LGA1155/ Intel H61(B3)/ DDR3/ A&GbE/ Mini ITX Motherboard

I have the HDD in this system now, the PSU output is what makes me wonder.

The processor you selected is socket 1156, so it won't fit a 1155 board (which you should get). Also, the G840 is newer, performs better in games, is cheaper and runs cooler (comparison) The GT440 is WAAAY slower than a HD 6850. Do not read reviews on Newegg if you're wondering about the performance of a product, only if you're wondering whether it has issues. And I as well didn't like Radeon drivers before, but then I figured out that the difference is marginal, and what you should look at is game-performance. Look for reviews on Google, like "radeon hd 6850 review" (for instance).

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The processor you selected is socket 1156, so it won't fit a 1155 board (which you should get). Also, the G840 is newer, performs better in games, is cheaper and runs cooler (comparison) The GT440 is WAAAY slower than a HD 6850. Do not read reviews on Newegg if you're wondering about the performance of a product, only if you're wondering whether it has issues. And I as well didn't like Radeon drivers before, but then I figured out that the difference is marginal, and what you should look at is game-performance. Look for reviews on Google, like "radeon hd 6850 review" (for instance).

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Oh crap the board has the wrong socket. Changed the cpu to
Intel Core i3-2100 Processor 3.1GHz 3 MB Cache Socket LGA1155

If you look up the comparison of the G840 and the i3 2100 here, you will see that not much separates them, except that the i3 2100 costs 50% more, and the G840 uses a lot less power...

Also, as I said, the GT440 is NOT a powerful card.