Windows 8 Will Have Better File Management

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According to this blog post, the Windows engineering team is hard at work improving the Windows 8 file management system.

Copying, moving, renaming, and deleting are far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer, representing 50% of total command usage (based on Windows 7 telemetry data). For Windows 8, we want to make sure that using these core file management commands, which we collectively refer to as “copy jobs,” is a great experience.
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"which we collectively refer to as "copy jobs," is a great experience."

Im thinkin Apple lawyers will use that line in the future to sue MS over Windows 8. They will just edit it to read "copy Jobs" like they edit photo's of tables to suit there needs.
 
I really hope this solves the "Time Remaining: 5 minutes...3 hours...13 seconds...2 weeks" file copy issues from Vista and Windows 7.

If they can get that working, great. If not then I would rather see a return of the XP/2000-like file copy dialog or just an honest time remaining estimation: "It will be done when it's done." :D
 
Get rid of the damn Thumbs.db file lock BS!!!

I hate Thumbs.db more than Texas!
 
GushpinBob said:
I really hope this solves the "Time Remaining: 5 minutes...3 hours...13 seconds...2 weeks" file copy issues from Vista and Windows 7.

If they can get that working, great. If not then I would rather see a return of the XP/2000-like file copy dialog or just an honest time remaining estimation: "It will be done when it's done." :D
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Whatever happened to the SQL-based file system that Longhorn was supposed to have? I heard that they couldn't get it working right and scrapped it.
 
only 50% of users are copying, moving, renaming, and deleting in explorer ?
what else is there to do in explorer ??

share and burn ? maybe the other 15% get lost in the sharing wizard 10% keep trying to burn nothing to disc and the 25% just stare blankly or play expanda tree with drive C:

Regardless this is welcomed news as i dread large "copy jobs" in vista / 7.

hopefully they will figure something out where the files actually start transferring upon execution of the command.
 
How about a consistent interface where there's always a "New Folder" button.
 
chaos4u said:
only 50% of users are copying, moving, renaming, and deleting in explorer ?
what else is there to do in explorer ??

share and burn ? maybe the other 15% get lost in the sharing wizard 10% keep trying to burn nothing to disc and the 25% just stare blankly or play expanda tree with drive C:

Regardless this is welcomed news as i dread large "copy jobs" in vista / 7.

hopefully they will figure something out where the files actually start transferring upon execution of the command.
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No, 50% of all commands used are copy, move, or delete.
 
GushpinBob said:
I really hope this solves the "Time Remaining: 5 minutes...3 hours...13 seconds...2 weeks" file copy issues from Vista and Windows 7.

If they can get that working, great. If not then I would rather see a return of the XP/2000-like file copy dialog or just an honest time remaining estimation: "It will be done when it's done." :D
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File copying in 2000/XP was utterly horrific....File copies are so much faster in Vista/7 then they ever were in XP or lower.

That said, most of the time mine is pretty accurate in win 7 and I do a ton of disc to disc file moving. It does get a bit sketchy on network transfers and I would like to see them improve that. External devices are generally fairly accurate as well. That all said, this is the first improvement that yields any interest in Win 8 from me.
 
File copy with a lot of small files is HORRIFIC in ALL VERSIONS OF WINDOWS! I remember opening a DOS box to do file copy's since it was much faster. Way too much bloat per file. If you were to make a folder with 100mb of 1kb files, it would take Windows forever, but a DOS propt would be much faster. Hell, I found zipping them up into 1 file, copy the zip, and extracting the zip was faster then Windows copy!
 
I've always hated the way Windows handles copying and such. I've teracopy for a couple years now and won't go back, unless Win 8 does it same or better.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
File copying in 2000/XP was utterly horrific....File copies are so much faster in Vista/7 then they ever were in XP or lower.

That said, most of the time mine is pretty accurate in win 7 and I do a ton of disc to disc file moving. It does get a bit sketchy on network transfers and I would like to see them improve that. External devices are generally fairly accurate as well. That all said, this is the first improvement that yields any interest in Win 8 from me.
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Yes, they are quite a bit better in Vista and 7 than XP, but the estimations, especially when copying/moving large numbers of files that vary greatly in size still sucks horribly.

I'm not sure that there is a good way to fix it as even SSDs have hugely different transfer rates when dealing with small vs. large files.

You also have to take into account exactly what you are copying from/to as well as the interface they are connected to.

The only real way to get anywhere near accurate would be to benchmark every single storage device/storage medium that is connected to the computer.

Either that, or use manufacturers horribly inaccurate specs.. but that would not be anywhere near accurate, especially if you are not connecting to the specific interface that the manufacturer used to somehow come up with their specs. (SATA3 device connected to a SATAII or SATA interface, USB2 device connected to a USB1 interface, etc.).

With conventional hard drives, it even becomes a much larger mess unless every file is not fragmented at all.
 
Gibbage said:
"which we collectively refer to as "copy jobs," is a great experience."

Im thinkin Apple lawyers will use that line in the future to sue MS over Windows 8. They will just edit it to read "copy Jobs" like they edit photo's of tables to suit there needs.
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LOL

This is why trollin iDerps like you fun.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
LOL I'm always like WTF is thissssssssss and whyyyyy can't I delete ittttttttttttttttttttttttt. :mad:
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You can delete it... just login as adifferent user and then browse to where it is... LOL.

In any case, it is a database file for pic thumbnails.

If you don't have any pics in that particular folder, it shouldn't need to be there.

I just did a search for any thumbs.db files on my work machine and there weren't any. I wonder if it is a GPO that is set already or if Win7 Enterprise has it disabled by default.

In any case, here is a page that tells you how to turn off the thumbs.db files in Win7 if you really want to. you will still have to do a search and delete of the already existing ones after changing the setting though.

http://www.technoleros.com/turn-off-caching-of-windows-7-thumbnails-in-hidden-thumbs-db-files/
 
...Copying, moving, renaming, and deleting are far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer, representing 50% of total command usage (based on Windows 7 telemetry data). For Windows 8, we want to make sure that using these core file management commands, which we collectively refer to as “copy jobs,” is a great experience.

Is that why that got rid of a customizable toolbar??? And PLEASE give us the option of turning off Automatic Folder Updating, it can be a real nuisance at times.
 
If they can remove the 'feature' where if you cancel a copy job it finishes the current file and then deletes it, I'll be happy.

I hate it if I copy a large file to a usb drive or something, realise it will take forever (because i grabbed a usb1 device by accident or something) and cancel, and it takes just as long to cancel the copy as it would to have let it finish.
 
I would absolutly LOOOOVVEEEE to see the backspace key removed as a shortcut for "back". Damn that has screwed me on some great forum posts before. Then I'm so pissed at what just happened I just say screw it and go somewhere else.
 
I have to say, I'm more and more impressed with Microsoft.
They really turned a corner at Vista :)
 
Get rid of the fact that a single error halts the whole process, and I'd be happy. That and the confirmations that even when you say "yes to all" comes back anyway. So many annoyances that should have been fixed 15 years ago.
 
lol I hear ya. I actually might start doing it a little when we're slow here :D It can't hurt
 
Gibbage said:
File copy with a lot of small files is HORRIFIC in ALL VERSIONS OF WINDOWS! I remember opening a DOS box to do file copy's since it was much faster. Way too much bloat per file. If you were to make a folder with 100mb of 1kb files, it would take Windows forever, but a DOS propt would be much faster. Hell, I found zipping them up into 1 file, copy the zip, and extracting the zip was faster then Windows copy!
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+1

This is an issue especially if you're a developer. I just attempted copying a 2Gig SDK at work but didn't finish because we had to go home an hour after i started. Office network was crappy as is, the sequential file copy wasn't helping.

@MS
We're at the age where 1 terabyte harddrive is nothing special. Please release a patch that will address this when you figure it out.

Didn't they implement XCOPY in windows?
 
too little too late
I switched to Altap Salamander about 8 years ago.
Nomad it a pretty good freeware norton command style file manager
 
And please make Windows explorer stop opening already drilled down 4 levels deep into some folders I'm not using.
 
TwistedAegis said:
And please make Windows explorer stop opening already drilled down 4 levels deep into some folders I'm not using.
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or give the ability to turn in on/off at the user level.

I actually like that functionality. At work, we often work in folders 12 levels deep (in an amazingly complex drive filled with folders after sub folders). Having windows remember where I left off has kept me somewhat sane :D
 
Microsoft missed something. Before getting to the copy, move, etc problems you have to open My Documents or whatever and then wait for the green bar of death to complete moving across the folder. What is that all about? Why did xp not do this? Please fix this first.
 
pgaster said:
Microsoft missed something. Before getting to the copy, move, etc problems you have to open My Documents or whatever and then wait for the green bar of death to complete moving across the folder. What is that all about? Why did xp not do this? Please fix this first.
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I think that's the thumbnail generator gone wacko. Especially annoying when i open a folder full of ingame screenshots and i have to wait for it to finish before i could sort them. I'm not exactly sure what it's trying to do since it already has thumbnails. :confused:
 
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