Upgrade to IvyBridge?

modulus said:
yes socket 2011 looks good but current word is that there will not be any 8 core processors at release for desktop variant - only 6 and 4 core parts.
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That's a shame, so only 8 core to be released for server at this time? The last roadmap I saw indicated 6/8 Core 15/20MB L3 and 3ch DDR3 for desktop extreme.
 
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modulus said:
100% agree.

i was only referring to 1155 IB.
IB-E should be rollin in at least 8 cores for sure
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Which is exactly the reason i wouldnt even consider touching the 1155 chipset, i want an 8 core ivy bridge
 
CPL0 said:
That's a shame, so only 8c to be released for server at this time?

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There should be both server IB Xeons and consumer IB's both with 8 cores (possibly 12 core down the road but that might be limited to EE and xeons)
 
There is no 8 core ivy bridge its going to be 4 core, and next gen bulldozer will stomp it.
 
CPL0 said:
That's a shame, so only 8 core to be released for server at this time? The last roadmap I saw indicated 6/8 Core 15/20MB L3 and 3ch DDR3 for desktop extreme.
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Yes and the extreme desktops are currently in the 1366 socket.
2011 will be the replacement for the 1366.

We will probably see a 6 core 1155 processor, but probably not a 8 core.
 
i prefer what ever one folds better, the intel offering has the edge in the fact that i don't have to run a dedicated video card and its built in encoding is amazing.

pricing leaks so far have had the two camps evenly priced. either you have 8 real cores or 4 real and 4 virtual cores for the high end midrange. 6 real vs 4 real on the midrange, or 4 real vs 2 real and 2 virtual in the low end.

i dont think amd is planning on trying to get the extreme high end market against the sb-e 6(12) and 8(16) core processors. they seem happy to compete for the mid range market.
 
I kind of wish intel would give the enthusiast platform a completely different name. I do really get tired of hearing people confuse or even mislabel things when it comes to SB-E, IB, and IB-E.
 
well if i purchase without the outlook for upgrade, I'll being getting i7-2600k. But I was just thinking that since 2500k will at that point only be about a year old, it will resale very well, and I will be able to have an ivy bridge for little true extra cost over the i7.
 
defaultluser said:
The benefits of Trigate will have to wait for the release party to be thoroughly judged, since you can't get a clear idea of the process from less-than-optimal test samples.
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So...you're just proving his point for him. You keep making assumptions about gains and then make this statement. You're contradicting yourself.
 
Wildace said:
it could mop the floor with intel's current cpus and not releasing info is called "strategy".

not releasing info gives amd a jump when it does release giving them a window where they have the fastest cpu's at the $300 or so price point until intel can get ivy bridge out the door. the sooner intel knows what they are dealing with the sooner ivy bridge would come out since they have intentionally delayed ivy bridge due to lack of competition and to help out thier retail partner move existing stock of intels current lineup.

delaying releasing info on bulldozer until the very last minute is smart to give them the longest window of being at the top.

its the same thing EA is doing with SWTOR not releasing a release date to avoid blizzard from planning too far ahead of time to have content releases or marketing blitz at the same time as the release date of swtor.

in this case that blizzard content patch would be intels ivy bridge.


now im not saying bulldozer is going to be better than the 2600k all im saying is its smart for amd to delay info aslong as possible from competition standpoint.

why give your opponent a heads up early wether you a weaker or stronger you should always keep them gussing until after you strike.
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lol, if that's AMD's strategy, I can see why they're always behind Intel. Sorry but no, that's a retarded strategy. If you have a kickass product and you know it, you're going to create buzz around it. The whole idea is to sell. Intel isn't the one buying AMD products, we are and when there is no good news to report, we're going to look for alternatives. If we are hearing good news, we are much more likely to wait until the product is released so we can buy it. Intel isnt' going to change their architecture that's already laid out based on leaked benchmarks or even official benchmarks, the most they can do is delay or advance the launch of a product they already have in the works but that's a DISTANT concern to actually creating interest in your product.

If there is no interest your product is dead regardless of what your competition does. If there is intereset, your product is competitive regardless of what your competition does.
 
Jon55 said:
So...you're just proving his point for him. You keep making assumptions about gains and then make this statement. You're contradicting yourself.
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Doesn't seem contradicting. It seems like he's saying to wait and see how much of an improvement gap there will be.
 
Right!

Looking at that old and dated roadmap something is clear however.
Gulftown is an extreme and never released to the 1156 desktop.

Second the 2 channel remains through the 2012 for 1155.
Also the 6/8 core is trichannel and hence socket 2011.

What that road map does do however if make you wonder about tri vs quad channel. I think that's changed to all sb-e's getting quad channel.
 
alik4041 said:
Doesn't seem contradicting. It seems like he's saying to wait and see how much of an improvement gap there will be.
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He was talking about performance gains like he knows exactly what's going to happen with this setup. Then makes a statement saying we'll have to wait and see, which was my entire point. If that's not contradicting I don't know what is.
 
ahh...didn't read the whole thread :eek:

I've read a lot about "30%" improvements from SB to IB, but I'm still waiting for actual benchmarks. I don't know why people are talking about waiting as if this is coming out in a couple months. I'm expecting mid January to be the earliest release date for IB.
 
RamonGTP said:
lol, if that's AMD's strategy, I can see why they're always behind Intel. Sorry but no, that's a retarded strategy. If you have a kickass product and you know it, you're going to create buzz around it. The whole idea is to sell. Intel isn't the one buying AMD products, we are and when there is no good news to report, we're going to look for alternatives. If we are hearing good news, we are much more likely to wait until the product is released so we can buy it. Intel isnt' going to change their architecture that's already laid out based on leaked benchmarks or even official benchmarks, the most they can do is delay or advance the launch of a product they already have in the works but that's a DISTANT concern to actually creating interest in your product.

If there is no interest your product is dead regardless of what your competition does. If there is intereset, your product is competitive regardless of what your competition does.
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Not to mention the fact that Intel probably has a pretty good idea of the performance of Bulldozer, at the very least a lot better idea than anyone posting on these forums, so the idea that AMD is holding back info to surprise Intel with a huge performance leap is pretty unlikely.
 
Makers respond to this by adjusting prices just as AMD have had to with their previous offerings.
It's no conspiracy and esp not considering the massive payout Intel paid to AMD due to past iffy dealings such as offering discounts to makers to only buy Intel CPU's

It's in everyones interests that the new FX processors are competitive even Intel users. And if they're not then they'll be cheaper ;-)
 
Call me crazy, but i rather go on the information we have in 2011 vs 2010 on a yet to be released cpu..... That said, everything is pointing to IB having atleast 8 cores on its upper 2011-chipset offering. I dont consider 1155 to be anything other than a mainstream to high-mid range chipset. Thats my opinion based off the dozen articles i've read from anandtech/tomshardware/etc websites. Not some dated graphic thats not only factually wrong about the current crop of cpu's but also the future cpu's coming down the pipe
 
I'm thinking if upgrade or not.

I need rude power on one core or two due to my job and a 15/20%more could be appreciated.
 
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