Who else uses 3D Vision?

Well, I just picked up a pair of 3d vision glasses and have been playing around with it for a couple of days now. Yes it has its quirks but when it works well the effect is nothing short of amazing. I haven't seen anything that has impressed me this much in a long, long time. I really wish that I could show off a few 3d vision screen shots.

One of the games that really wowed me was GTA4 with a few mods and textures. It is just amazing seeing even small things like the debris popping out of the ground or paper flying at you or cars coming at you. Its hard to even describe. I've tried a couple of fps games and that takes a bit of getting used to but that is so damn cool too. There is nothing like looking down the sights of a gun in cod in 3d. I wouldn't go using that in mp but in single player its a ton of fun. Borderlands works shockingly well too. So does Half Life 2.

Not everything works well but so far I'm surprised by how many games do and when they work well its nothing short of amazing. I really need to try some more games.

Have any of you guys given 3d vision a shot? I'm talking for more than an hour or two, it takes some adjusting to. What games did you really enjoy?

When i used the 3d glasses back with my Asus Geforce 256 I liked Draken..

I dont have a nvidia card, but used ATIs version, not to impressed with it.. (who the hell pays for a driver)

Think i may grab a nvidia card for my spare rig and see whats its all about, since ive been wanting to check it out..

Do i need to buy the whole kit or could I just use my samsung plasma and glasses with it?

H-street said:

When i used the 3d glasses back with my Asus Geforce 256 I liked Draken..

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Now that you mention it, I did try Drakensang The River of Time and that looked amazing.

Snappshoota said:

I dont have a nvidia card, but used ATIs version, not to impressed with it.. (who the hell pays for a driver)

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You ever wonder why Quattro or FireGL cards are so expensive? There are a lot of cases where you are paying for the software and not so much the hardware.

I still have my 2 3D monitors and my Nvision kit but I haven't used it in months.

If they would ever make a 1920x1200 120hz IPS panel that would solve all my pet peeves with the forced usage of 120hz TN panels. I thought about buying a 3D projector but that's at least $700 and that's only 720p which isn't good enough for me.

I guess I'm waiting for better display technology before I use it again. My best experiences with it were with BF:BC2 , Dirt 2 and Fallout : NV all looked awesome with it. It can really enhance the gaming experience but its effect isn't as huge as developers make it out to be. You either like 3D and enjoy watching 3D in theaters and at home ..or you fucking hate it and it only serves to annoy you.

i dont think i will ever do this, would actualy like to try it but i wear glasses and i do not like contacts so unless theres a way to wear the 3d glasses comfortably over my glasses or glasses free 3d actualy becomes good and cheap enough i probly wont :/

I had a pair of the old analog glasses (still do actually) from the GeForce / GeForce 2 days that used to bring my games to life as some pretty awesome resolutions for the time. (Thank you Iiyama)

I recently picked up a GD235HZ for cheap and have a pair of wired glasses arriving next week. While I run ATi in my main box, my second system has a GTX 460 that I am eager to try this out on.

I remember the older ones being a bit quirky and meddlesome, but having a fantastic effect once you got it working correctly. I hope the technology has gone a long way since then, as the games certainly have. I'm hoping it will really bring new life to some of the games I play and will show me if the technology has matured. Either way, if it works well I am going to revisit some of the games that I kept on wishing I could see in 3D while playing them; Men of War, Company of Heroes, Oblivion, Battlefield, Stalker, etc.

Any other recommendations?

I will check out 3d vision with my next screen purchase at some point next year more than likely. I too am waiting for some sort of 1080P 120hz IPS panel as big as possible. I also hate how the tech works in that it splits it into 2 seperate renders basically halving your fps. Just annoys me to see half my performance go out the window lol. Ideally I want a true 120hz ips 32" or larger panel without any retarded input lag and whatever else that hinders performance for games without costing 1200 bucks.

not since it was bought by nvidia. I had a kit that came with a Asus TI4200. Clive barkers undying looked awesome though.

Godmachine said:

If they would ever make a 1920x1200 120hz IPS panel that would solve all my pet peeves with the forced usage of 120hz TN panels. I thought about buying a 3D projector but that's at least $700 and that's only 720p which isn't good enough for me.

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Dont think IPS is capable of this, still being pretty sluggish, as with other panel technologies theres things that they are bad and good at. But the new(ish) [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Phase_Mode_LCD"]Blue Phase Mode LCD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/FileoubleTwist2.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/DoubleTwist2.png/200px-DoubleTwist2.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/c/c8/DoubleTwist2.png/200px-DoubleTwist2.png[/ame] technology seems to be the answer. With faster than TN speed (think 240hz+ and less than 1ms response) with much better picture quality and without the high IPS cost (there are less steps to the manafacture of one).

LG has already stated its working on developing 120hz IPS panels so its a matter of time really. If that doesn't ever become a reality I'll just wait for cheaper 120hz 1080p projectors to drop in price and get one.

I'm willing to be patient.

FrozenLiquidity - Games have come a long way as far as support for 3D since the Geforce 256 days but the biggest downside of Nvision is the performance hit. Expect about half the frame rate with it enabled , you'll have to sacrifice some eye candy to have playable frame rates. The good news is there are a lot of games that support Nvision fully and properly and Nvidia has done a great job with that and continues to add support and work with developers on future games.

Yeah, you need a fast response time for stereoscopic 3d. The crosstalk on an IPS would be horrendous.

Godmachine said:

LG has already stated its working on developing 120hz IPS panels so its a matter of time really. If that doesn't ever become a reality I'll just wait for cheaper 120hz 1080p projectors to drop in price and get one.

I'm willing to be patient.

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I understand why you would want a 120hz IPS for normal usage but for 3d every advantage of the IPS would really go out of the window and the slower response would really show off ghost images.

Godmachine said:

LG has already stated its working on developing 120hz IPS panels so its a matter of time really. If that doesn't ever become a reality I'll just wait for cheaper 120hz 1080p projectors to drop in price and get one.

I'm willing to be patient.

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The way the blue phase technology sounds at this point is that it will be the IPS style display without the IPS style problems (being slow, high cost). It will pretty much be a 240h/z IPS display for a lower price. Youd have to seriously overdrive the matrixes to get acceptable speed (which is done with TN panels right now, even though they have greater speed) and still would probably have ghosting and will effect longevity. Think of the price premium on 120hz TN panels (50% increase) and then apply that to the overpricing that occurs with IPSs. Thats going to be a seriously expensive screen for not so perfect 3d performance.

IPS will quickly be got rid of if there is a technology with less issues that can be manafactured for cheaper and therefore targetted at a much larger audience. IPS like CRT will become a "dead end" technology.

BababooeyHTJ said:

Yeah, you need a fast response time for stereoscopic 3d. The crosstalk on an IPS would be horrendous.



I understand why you would want a 120hz IPS for normal usage but for 3d every advantage of the IPS would really go out of the window and the slower response would really show off ghost images.

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Well this is part of the hurdle to overcome , I'm sick of the typical downsides of TN panel technology with gamma shifts , color shifts and the list goes on.

If I wanted to right now and could afford it I could buy an amazing 120hz 1080p projector that would have everything I wanted plus a huge screen bonus. But that's going to cost me thousands. Even if I went with say a 240hz LED-LCD there is only a small list that are able to work with Nvision.

But time will help this problem greatly as newer cheaper 3D TV's are released and Nvidia adds more to its list.

Godmachine said:

Well this is part of the hurdle to overcome , I'm sick of the typical downsides of TN panel technology with gamma shifts , color shifts and the list goes on.

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Are you really going to be able to see the difference through the shutter glasses? I kind of doubt it to be honest.

BababooeyHTJ said:

Are you really going to be able to see the difference through the shutter glasses? I kind of doubt it to be honest.

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I can right now , I can see the gamma shift and it annoys me. It becomes a distraction.

Godmachine said:

FrozenLiquidity - Games have come a long way as far as support for 3D since the Geforce 256 days but the biggest downside of Nvision is the performance hit. Expect about half the frame rate with it enabled , you'll have to sacrifice some eye candy to have playable frame rates. The good news is there are a lot of games that support Nvision fully and properly and Nvidia has done a great job with that and continues to add support and work with developers on future games.

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Yeah, I already know to expect that much. That said, most of the games I plan to revisit are a bit older anyway, so running them smoothly at this point is not going to be an issue even with a big performance hit. I guess we'll see when the time comes though.

You are right about gta4 in 3d, it was spectacular.

I plugged my vaio laptop into a friends 55" 3dtv and used nvidias 3dtv play software so you dont have to use nvidias own glasses and the following games blew my away:

1. GTA4 (everything about this game especially the view distance and the debris.)
2. Dead Space 2
3. Just Cause 2
4. Bad Company 2 (you can see/notice so much more going on with 3d on.)
5. Portal 2

I don't have proper 3D but use anaglyph for certain games and it looks fantastic. With the exception of shitty colour and massive crosstalk issues. Anyway here are my recommendations.

1. DEFINITELY try Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast. Its as if this game was made for 3D. It looks amazing. The sense of depth you get when you go over a crest and see a waterfall far in the distance is stunning. The scenery alone makes this game a win in 3D. Plus you get a solid 60fps making it silky smooth!.

2. Mirrors Edge. Plenty of high ledges and great views make this a must for 3D. Its actually easier to play too because jumps can be more accurately judged.

3. Prototype. Same reasons as Mirrors Edge with the bonus of huge crowds of people.

I bought a 3D HDTV recently and gave Nvidia 3D Play a try. Utter shit. Locked the refresh rate to 24hz and games ran at 12fps. Terrible, even when it actually worked without screen corruption.

I use 3D off and on. I used it a lot at first especially with games like Just Cause 2 which look amazing in 3D. Now days I'll pop it on once in a while to see what games look like in 3D and if I like it I'll leave them on. Just waiting for the next title to show off a great level of 3D.

I was in Texas a couple years ago and passed a Frys -- had to stop. They had an nvidia 3d display setup and I put on the glasses and was immediately hooked.

A month later, I'd ordered my Asus monitor with 3D glasses and to this day, I don't regret it. My favorite 3D games were Trine and Batman Arkham Asylum. If you're in it for 3D effects, and you don't mind older games -- Amercian McGees Alice (the original) looks pretty nice, too...

I want to go 3d and 120hz but worry about tn vs ips issues, as all tn I have seen has sucked in general. Are the new batches of these actually decent even?

Also how well do the 3d glasses fit over real glasses??

GoldenTiger said:

I want to go 3d and 120hz but worry about tn vs ips issues, as all tn I have seen has sucked in general. Are the new batches of these actually decent even?

Also how well do the 3d glasses fit over real glasses??

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Depends on what you're looking for in a monitor. A TN panel will never be as good as an IPS panel that is simply impossible. For 3D gaming and even 3D blu-ray TN panels are fine, but if you keep looking for IPS quality you're not going to get anywhere. A better option might be looking into getting a 3D TV and using your computer with that to play 3D games on if you can't deal with the weakness of TN panel monitors.

Pretty well surprisingly. I wear glasses and use a headset and the 3D glasses are mostly comfortable. I have to adjust my glasses now and again because they dig into the side of my head due to the headset, but it isn't unbearable. I can watch movies just fine wearing all of that stuff and it's never been a huge issue.

Do most/all Frys have a 3D display? Any other places that usually have them? Curious to try

Derangel said:

Depends on what you're looking for in a monitor. A TN panel will never be as good as an IPS panel that is simply impossible. For 3D gaming and even 3D blu-ray TN panels are fine, but if you keep looking for IPS quality you're not going to get anywhere. A better option might be looking into getting a 3D TV and using your computer with that to play 3D games on if you can't deal with the weakness of TN panel monitors.

Pretty well surprisingly. I wear glasses and use a headset and the 3D glasses are mostly comfortable. I have to adjust my glasses now and again because they dig into the side of my head due to the headset, but it isn't unbearable. I can watch movies just fine wearing all of that stuff and it's never been a huge issue.

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Thanks Derangel for the feedback ... another major reason I'm interested in these panels is for the 120hz factor for 2d gameplay, any thoughts on that? Your post was really useful (seriously).

I'm looking into getting the 27" Acer since newegg finally has it back in-stock.

GoldenTiger said:

Thanks Derangel for the feedback ... another major reason I'm interested in these panels is for the 120hz factor for 2d gameplay, any thoughts on that? Your post was really useful (seriously).

I'm looking into getting the 27" Acer since newegg finally has it back in-stock.

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It depends on the game I think. It's not something I would say jumps out at me right away, but I do notice it if I'm playing a game on a 60hz monitor and in some cases in games that are capped at or under 60FPS. I'm not all that sensitive to frame-rate differences though, some people notice it much better than me. Still I'm in no hurry to go back a monitor that can't do 120hz.

One of my friends has one of those. He really likes it. I've debated on upgrading to one, but I have yet to find a way to justify the cost to myself, especially when the jet engine in my case needs to go away.

GoldenTiger said:

I want to go 3d and 120hz but worry about tn vs ips issues, as all tn I have seen has sucked in general. Are the new batches of these actually decent even?

Also how well do the 3d glasses fit over real glasses??

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I actually think in general TN monitors have gotten worse over the years as they've gotten cheaper (not sure if that applies to the 120Hz ones, just talking in general). I have a 20" BenQ TN from 5 years ago for which I paid ~$300 and it has bugger all backlight bleed and overall pretty good panel uniformity and to me pretty good looking colors without being glarish (though I dont do photography, so I dont know about "accurate" colors). Flip to now my $250 24" from 1.5 years ago has more backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness and it flickers slightly if you turn the backlight down too far (and too far apparently = what I'd like), yet its far from a bad TN by modern standards, when I was researching to buy it, it was as good or better than similar priced competition. Then at work a few people recently got $450 27" TN screens and they look like shit, far worse than my 24" regardless of how much I play with the settings. Luckily my work monitor is a reasonably good HP, which is also TN but costs a lot more than the standard shovelware TNs and has a pretty good image, no bleed, very uniform across the panel, even compared to my friend's e-IPS.

Anyway, that rant out of the way. I dont use 3D in games, I'd like to give it a try though I doubt I'd like it as I dont like 3D TVs and dont like 3D in theaters, so I dont want to spend any money to buy the hardware and finding out its not for me.

You would be correct about TN panels being lowered in quality compared to the past. It all has to do with cost cutting and the fact that the average user just doesn't notice or give a shit about it.

It also has to do with many TN panels having forced overdrive , which degrades the picture. The TN panels of even 6-7 years ago were around say 8-10ms (at best) now almost every TN is closer to 2ms thanks to overdrive. In fact my Acer 3D LCD has a feature to turn it off in the service menu and the picture quality is quite a bit better with it off. With it on the "grid" effect or screen door type effect is very noticable and the color shift , gamma shift is quite a bit worse. Turn off Overdrive and its quite exceptional.

Its what happens when you mass produce items that were once at least 500+ dollars that are now less than $80 dollars at Fry's on sale (for a 22 inch Samsung , saw last week). You simply have to sacrifice something to get it down that low over time.

My question is:

Is 3D worth 400-500 dollars?

Really tempted to pick up the 23.6" Acer and a pair of glasses to try it out, but I'm really worried I'll hate downgrading from a 32" screen and wish I had bought car parts instead.

I went from a 28" 16:10 to a 23" myself and don't regret it at all. The 3d effect is the most jaw dropping experence that I've had in gaming in a long time. If you can find a used display on the forums for around $250 and you can buy the wired 3d vision glasses for $80, its not too bad.

I moved the display a little closer to me so I'm not really missing the size and the tighter pixel ratio (forget the term for it) makes things look nicer too.

On the other hand I do have my pc hooked up to my 42" for when I want to watch a movie or sit back with a controller and play a game on my recliner.

z3r0- said:

My question is:

Is 3D worth 400-500 dollars?

Really tempted to pick up the 23.6" Acer and a pair of glasses to try it out, but I'm really worried I'll hate downgrading from a 32" screen and wish I had bought car parts instead.

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Completely subjective to the viewer. No one can tell you if you will like 3D for general gaming or not .. you simply must take the dive , buy it and find out. If you can buy it from a local place like Fry's then go for it , if you hate it you can simply return it within 30 days. However one thing I will tell you is that if you aren't running an Nvidia card don't bother with AMD's version of it. Nvidia have excellent support and really the best version of it thus far for the PC until much higher resolution monitors come along.

But yea no one can really "tell you" what 3D is like and allow you to understand the impact of it. You either love it or hate it.

Flight sims and racing sims look really good in 3D. Makes the cockpit feel more real and you can gauge distance to the cars in front much better in a racing sim.

I just recieved my wired glasses yesterday and gave a number of games a spin with them on. It brought a smile to my face to experience the effects that had introduced me to gaming in 3D over 10 years ago, but this time around it wasn't as mind-blowing or amazing as it used to be. I'm not sure how often I'd use it for the type of games I like to play...

I started with Men of War, it had a "Good" rating, and while the game looked really great in 3D, the screen-popping effect didn't really strike me as being terribly awesome for that game. It was nice to be able to see the terrain and stuff in 3D, but it didn't seem to do too much for the rest of the game. Still, played through a mission and found it enjoyable, if not just a tad more difficult to control (and anyone who has played Men of War can tell you that it's difficult enough as is). Either way though, I don't think it was fun enough to play through again just for the 3D.

Tried Company of Heroes next. I guess RTS games just don't benefit from this as much, as I didn't feel the game really came to life with the addition of 3D. In fact, it hurt my gameplay significantly. I didn't really care I guess, it's another title that I probably wouldn't replay for the 3D, but that I'd probably play through again for the game, and then 3D would just be a bonus.

Oblivion was up next. It looked fantastic, but I ran into the "out of memory" bug with the latest drivers, so I did not get far before calling it quits on that. I started playing around with the depth and found some settings that were a little more streneous, but provided a much greater 3D effect. I hope that when the bug is fixed, that Oblivion will become one of the more attractive games for this setup.

Red Orchestra / Darkest Hour - I felt that this game benefitted from it a good deal. (seems that FPS's do). While the big levels didn't feel any different, it did seem to help with gauging distance and using the ironsights effectively. I felt much more deadly with weaker weapons than I had in the past, but maybe I was just getting lucky. Didn't work so well for vehicles. Looks awesome from the outside, but I'mpossible to use the turret sighting mechanism in 3D. Guess I'll stick to the driver position...

Stalker: Call of Pripyat was next on the list. I didn't give this one as much of a go as I wanted to, but it was impressive enough that I'd make my next playthrough in 3D. I feel the game benefitted as a whole, though it was reccomended that some options be disabled when operating in 3D, so it may have cut back on the eye candy (but improved performance!) Mutants were much scarier, that much is for sure. Stupid dogs jumping in my face were quite frightening!

Left 4 Dead 2 worked *really* well. I think that the source engine really does well in 3D and am tempted to replay Half-Life 2 or pick up some quality source mods to play around with in 3D. It was fun, the crosshairs worked perfectly and the whole experience was heightened. This is what 3D should really do for a game.

Finally played a little bit of Audiosurf. I normally don't bother with this one, but it looked pretty good in 3D and I was fairly impressed on the affect it had on the game. I doubt I'd play it any more than I already do, but I guess to me it helped solidify the fact that games where 3D objects are percieved at closer ranged tend to fare better than others. A good example of this might be a flight sim, where the cockpit really jumps out at you, but the rest of the game feels relatively unchanged. The more closer objects, the more authentic and real the effect feels. The further away, the less the effect contributes to the game.

Big sprawling landscapes, like a tank map in Red Orchestra, would be a bad place to use 3D, but on a close-range city map, it might be a really nice touch. Tonight, I want to try Dragon Age, Star Wars Jedi Academy (or Outcast), BFBC2, Mount & Blade and perhaps some Deus Ex or System Shock. At this point I'm trying to orient my list towards the games that are likely going to get the most out of it, so my staple diet of RTS's is getting filtered at this point.

Any suggestions / requests?

I hear Titan Quest looks really cool in 3d. I'll probably get around to trying that one of these days.

I did try Dawn of War 2 and the effects looked good. The only thing that I didn't like was that the UI had no depth I found it a bit hard to navigate. Maybe playing with convergence would have helped.

Mount and Blade seems like a really good idea, I may have to give that a shot.

Fallout New Vegas looks really good in 3d. I just wish that I could get new vegas stutter remover working in 3d. That gamebyro stutter drives me insane.

Demon10000 said:

If you're in it for 3D effects, and you don't mind older games -- Amercian McGees Alice (the original) looks pretty nice, too...

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How did you get that working? Isn't that an OpenGL title?

Some more games to mention;

Mount & Blade does well enough, though difficult to use ranged weapons. (Does anyone know how to make the 3D vision sight turn on, or know a shortcut to toggle it for any game?).

Darksiders looked fantastic. I could probably play this one all the way through with 3D vision - it looked that good.

Dark Messiah - I figured this would look awesome, as it was using the source engine as well, but maybe I need to adjust brightness and other settings, because I found it very hard to see what I was doing effectively. May just require some getting used to and a bump up in the gamma.

Played some more Stalker - actually does very well in 3D and it's another title I may have to replay for that. A whole hell of a lot spookier too. Makes me think that I could give myself a heart attack if I had the balls to load up Amnesia with 3D...

Didn't bother with Dragon Age yet... I want to, but I do not want to put Origin on my computer for one silly game. I'm still looking for my modified System Shock 2 install, as I can't imagine playing without it. Deus Ex just crashes, I'll have to work on that. Completely forgot that Jedi Knight is old and runs in OpenGL. I didn't mess with it too much, but did not see any immediate options to throw it on D3D, and besides - no widescreen.

So far, so good. Will probably end up waiting for the next driver revisions before I dive into Oblivion though. It looks like it'll be fantastic.

Also a 3D vision gamer, but I've got the Acer H5360 projector. 3D does look better big, I play on a 92" screen, really great effects. I've got an extra 3 pairs of glasses for friends.

I really like it, but am considering selling my current 3D vision projector set up. I do want a 1080P 3D vision projector, or possibly a passive 3D TV (those use the light weight polarized glasses).

I find compatibility gets on my nerves after awhile, games that are excellent look fantastic - but anything less then 3D vision ready and you generally have to sacrifice some graphic settings.

Minus000 said:

Also a 3D vision gamer, but I've got the Acer H5360 projector. 3D does look better big, I play on a 92" screen, really great effects. I've got an extra 3 pairs of glasses for friends.

I really like it, but am considering selling my current 3D vision projector set up. I do want a 1080P 3D vision projector, or possibly a passive 3D TV (those use the light weight polarized glasses).

I find compatibility gets on my nerves after awhile, games that are excellent look fantastic - but anything less then 3D vision ready and you generally have to sacrifice some graphic settings.

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Keep in mind passive 3D TV's (like the ones LG offers) are half the resolution in 3D. Its part of the sacrifice of using Parallax screens , which is why 4K resolution sets will remedy this and provide full 1080p resolution in passive 3D.

I've also been looking at 3D 1080p projectors and they cost a fortune right now (the best and cheapest I could find are at least $3500) so I'm going to wait for the price to drop. So unless you've got deep pockets you're better off holding on to that 720p projector for now.

I use 3D! Going on about 6 months with it. I love it. I mainly use it for movies, but I beet Arkam Asylum and BC2 completely in 3D. Very enjoyable experience.

FrozenLiquidity said:

Some more games to mention;

Mount & Blade does well enough, though difficult to use ranged weapons. (Does anyone know how to make the 3D vision sight turn on, or know a shortcut to toggle it for any game?).

Darksiders looked fantastic. I could probably play this one all the way through with 3D vision - it looked that good.

Dark Messiah - I figured this would look awesome, as it was using the source engine as well, but maybe I need to adjust brightness and other settings, because I found it very hard to see what I was doing effectively. May just require some getting used to and a bump up in the gamma.

Played some more Stalker - actually does very well in 3D and it's another title I may have to replay for that. A whole hell of a lot spookier too. Makes me think that I could give myself a heart attack if I had the balls to load up Amnesia with 3D...

Didn't bother with Dragon Age yet... I want to, but I do not want to put Origin on my computer for one silly game. I'm still looking for my modified System Shock 2 install, as I can't imagine playing without it. Deus Ex just crashes, I'll have to work on that. Completely forgot that Jedi Knight is old and runs in OpenGL. I didn't mess with it too much, but did not see any immediate options to throw it on D3D, and besides - no widescreen.

So far, so good. Will probably end up waiting for the next driver revisions before I dive into Oblivion though. It looks like it'll be fantastic.

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I just tried Dark Messiah and the crosshair not only not being in 2d but be default set with convergence really ruins the game for me. I can't seem to turn it off either, not that it matters since the 3d vision crosshair seems to default to 2d anyways.

I did find that mount and blade works very well. The default crosshair seemed to work properly for me.

I've been hearing good things about Arcania so I may give that a shot.

I'm missing out on trying this due to a very fat and wide head.

Also hoping for better monitors.

DXHR, which is coming out, will support 3D as well.