24" Widescreen CRT (FW900) From Ebay arrived,Comments.

I'd take a 37" 1080p plasma as a new PC monitor, but that's not going to happen. SED is basically dead. OLED maybe someday? Soooo expensive though.

When mine dies I'll probably end up with some sort of LCD...sigh...but so far, I've been running it for 5 years with no problems.
 
I have a Sony Trinitron CRT TV in my living room - judging by that you got a good deal.
 
Here is the driver that I made, seems to be working great on W7 64bit.

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Feel free to try it.

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Not sure why the link isn't displaying. Uploaded it to megaupload.
 
aside from refresh rate, can someone explain why 1920x1200 is supposed to be preferred res.over 2304x1440?

the latter looks so much cleaner to me in 3d games.
 
I am not sure but I think my monitor is starting to have some issues. I have multiple while likes going horizontal across the monitor and no It is not the 3 lines from the grill, I did some test. I wanted to find out if It was electromagnetic interference and I moved the monitor as far away from other devices and speakers as I could. Lines were still there, I also noticed that when windows boots and the monitor is at a lower resolution there is less lines about 5 in comparison to about 16-17 when it is at a higher resolution. So I am guessing it is deep in the monitor or the scaler and not inside the vga adapter or the line. I also did another test, I switched from imput 1 to 2 and it was still showing the lines throwing the whole cable things outta the equation, I even loaded up my old hp 17 in crt and it worked fine, no lines.

Any suggestions or is it close to the end of good times?
 
I posted some picts.
http://imageshack.us/g/819/20110707003315.jpg/
sorry for the poor quality, used my cell phone, had to slow the monitor down to 60hz to get picts and then tried to lock into the effect. I tried before with my dslr but I think it just makes things more complicated than they need to be, it's difficult for me to judge the images because since I have them display at all times on the monitor it's harder to judge quality.
 
quantum112 said:
SED is dead but FED is not ... yet, and I'd honestly prefer it over OLED.
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I finally looked up and read the entire history of SED.. I am now sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

EVEN this picture with the flashes can't hide how good that looks.

sed@ceatec55inch.jpg
 
My friend recently acquired this monitor. It appears to have a yellowish tint. Will windas fix this? This is even after the monitor is warmed up. He has done image restoration and tried different color settings.
 
Hello,

I Have a problem,

the indicator of my Sony FW900 is flashing orange (1sec).

Anyone has a troubleshooting guide?

Please, I need of your help, I love my monitor and I don't want to change it with an LCD.

Please help me!!!!!
 
ZeosPantera said:
I finally looked up and read the entire history of SED.. I am now sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

EVEN this picture with the flashes can't hide how good that looks.

sed@ceatec55inch.jpg
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Money and profitability ruining another great piece of technology.

We'd all be better off staring at SEDs/FEDs on a daily basis than LCD's...

I don't get it though, what happens to the patents and the tech? Surely someone else can then pick it up, or at least buy it off of Canon? Is it still their property or what exactly is its state now?
 
quantum112 said:
Money and profitability ruining another great piece of technology.

We'd all be better off staring at SEDs/FEDs on a daily basis than LCD's...

I don't get it though, what happens to the patents and the tech? Surely someone else can then pick it up, or at least buy it off of Canon? Is it still their property or what exactly is its state now?
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Even if something like SED came out, you're still probably going to be limited to 60Hz. Instead of the analog CRT, which can accept wide ranges of horizontal and vertical frequency inputs, i think a digital display will always be substantially less flexible. I say this, because I'm pretty sure the digital input circuitry for a SED would probably look a lot like, if not exactly like, that of any other panel already on the market. And this means the same added input lag and rigid refresh rates of our current LCD's.

For me, it's less about having a monitor that looks great (though, I can't stand TN LCD's), and more about getting reasonably good image quality with a high refresh and zero input lag. I'm not ravished with joy at the though of MS completely abandoning analog display support in future versions of windows (don't worry, nothing's been said of that front), or that video card manufactures drop the implementation of on board high frequency DAC's (i've heard this might happen).
 
There are videos on YouTube showing 240 FPS FED displays...what would be the point of them having a 240 Hz refresh rate if they were only capable of 60 Hz input?
 
Myramond said:
2. Do you mean that the picture rounds up in the upper corners, cause i think my second FW900 also has this problem. Sorry i dont have an solution for this problem but im also interested in how to fix this.
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I fiddled with the landing, size, and pincushion. I still notice it's an issue but its not nearly as bad.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone
 
goodfellarobert said:
I fiddled with the landing, size, and pincushion. I still notice it's an issue but its not nearly as bad.
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Thanks for the info, i tried it and now it is not that bad as it was before.

kratos0 said:
Hello,

I Have a problem,

the indicator of my Sony FW900 is flashing orange (1sec).

Anyone has a troubleshooting guide?

Please, I need of your help, I love my monitor and I don't want to change it with an LCD.

Please help me!!!!!
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Did you tried to disconnect any plugs from the monitor? Are the four color bars appear when you start the monitor? Reconnect all input cables and check the conditon of you computer.

I read that from the troubleshooting guide out of the operating instructions for the GDM-FW900. Maybe it will help you (i hope). If the power indicator lights up green the monitor is working properly. But if it is still flashing orange then there is a potential monitor failure.
 
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ellover009 said:
I posted some picts.
http://imageshack.us/g/819/20110707003315.jpg/
sorry for the poor quality, used my cell phone, had to slow the monitor down to 60hz to get picts and then tried to lock into the effect. I tried before with my dslr but I think it just makes things more complicated than they need to be, it's difficult for me to judge the images because since I have them display at all times on the monitor it's harder to judge quality.
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I read a bit and somewhere else someone mentioned that it might be that the display raster is showing. Does anyone have any experience adjusting the voltage? or is my monitor going?
 
ellover009 said:
I read a bit and somewhere else someone mentioned that it might be that the display raster is showing. Does anyone have any experience adjusting the voltage? or is my monitor going?
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Looks like the too high G2 Voltage problem for me. Maybe you can fix it when lowering it with WinDas. But i dont know how to do this, cause my monitors dont have problems so i also dont have a TTL cable to use the Service Port yet.
 
Anyone know where is a legitimate place to get the cable necessary to get WinDas working with this monitor? I looked online and there's a lot less than back in the day and a lot don't look to legit, Ebay has a few but most mention being for other uses than what I am looking for.
 
Ok ordered my cable. Do you guys find bnc worth it on windows 7 64 or is it more trouble than what its wort? I been running it with a gtx 580 and a dvi to vga adaptor.
 
Rock&Roll said:
Even if something like SED came out, you're still probably going to be limited to 60Hz. Instead of the analog CRT, which can accept wide ranges of horizontal and vertical frequency inputs, i think a digital display will always be substantially less flexible. I say this, because I'm pretty sure the digital input circuitry for a SED would probably look a lot like, if not exactly like, that of any other panel already on the market. And this means the same added input lag and rigid refresh rates of our current LCD's.
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LCDs are not limited to 60hz they can go to 120hz now. The issues with LCDs are different in nature. Pixel response time is variable and it takes some over drive to get it up to 120 hz speeds. But the input lag is only a function of all the funny stuff LCDs do and if SED has good color there is no need for that in SED so I think you should be perfectly capable of going to at least 120hz with current hardware on the back end of and SED. Another thing is stuff like dithering and the processing needed to do that with LCDs, once again no need for that on a SED display. I think there was a 240hz FED display made at one point.


The bigger issue as we have seen is that it is not cheap to implement SED and everyone just wants thin and cheap now days. Pic quality is simply not understood by most people.
 
ellover009 said:
Ok ordered my cable. Do you guys find bnc worth it on windows 7 64 or is it more trouble than what its wort? I been running it with a gtx 580 and a dvi to vga adaptor.
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Yes it is worth. Im running a DVI-BNC 1,5m with my GTX 480 and there is no problem like double image or something. But you need to install the modded GDM-FW900 64 bit driver so that you can use resolutions above 1600x1200.
 
Has anyone tried using nVidia's 3D Vision with their FW900? I recently built a new computer, which now features an nVidia GTX 580 card, so 3D Vision is tempting to try.

In my old rig, I used the iZ3D driver with an ATI 4890 card and old eDimensional LCD shutter glasses for decent 3D. It worked alright, but had lots of ghosting. I've heard that CRTs typically exhibit more ghosting in 3D than LCDs due to phosphor lag, but I'm wondering if the nVidia glasses would work any better than the eDimensionals.
 
rsfield said:
Here is the driver that I made, seems to be working great on W7 64bit.

hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=YG9IO28A

Feel free to try it.

Edit:
Not sure why the link isn't displaying. Uploaded it to megaupload.
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Interesting... What did you use to make that inf? i made one with moninfo but didn't have the line:

HKR,,PreferredMode,,"1920,1200,95"

Hopefully that'll fix my refresh dropping to 85Hz in eyefinity issue!



cinnamonandgravy said:
aside from refresh rate, can someone explain why 1920x1200 is supposed to be preferred res.over 2304x1440?

the latter looks so much cleaner to me in 3d games.
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higher refresh rate is one, the other is text size. many games don't have scaling dpi, and the text will be incredibly small at 2304x1440.
but at 2408x1536 games do look great! Dot pitch is so low, no anti-aliasing is needed! So if the low refresh doesn't bother you - then go ahead!



THIS THREAD IS WAY TO CLUTTERED!! OVER 7000 POSTS FOR 6 YEARS!
We need either a wiki, a whole forum section, or SOMETHING.
I made a reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/fw900/
maybe we can ask specific questions there, to try to sort out this mess!
 
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As is plainly obvious. We FW900ers don't like change.. Take your new fangled RED IT and move along....

A wiki wouldn't suck though.
 
Pyrocles said:
Has anyone tried using nVidia's 3D Vision with their FW900? I recently built a new computer, which now features an nVidia GTX 580 card, so 3D Vision is tempting to try.

In my old rig, I used the iZ3D driver with an ATI 4890 card and old eDimensional LCD shutter glasses for decent 3D. It worked alright, but had lots of ghosting. I've heard that CRTs typically exhibit more ghosting in 3D than LCDs due to phosphor lag, but I'm wondering if the nVidia glasses would work any better than the eDimensionals.
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Yes, I had it setup with 3D Vision, nVidia 560Ti, and a Sony FW900 using DVI to VGA. DVI to BNC will not work. I had both cables hooked up and I would throw the switch from 1 to 2 as needed based on if I was using the glasses or not.

Although the Sony FW900 does a pretty good job of running 3D, getting the higher refresh rates on the monitor for 3D can be troublesome with Windows 7. First make sure you can get at least 100Hz on the resolutions you will be using for 3D. The flicker killed my eyes on anything less than 120Hz.

I was so happy when I got it working properly on the Sony FW900 but the ghosting would not go away. You will read about ghosting on some of the 120Hz LCDs out there, none are as bad as the Sony FW900. You just cannot adjust it out. The contract and brightness work different on a CRT vs. a LCD. So after much adjustment and kind of okay looking ghosting (really bad on some games) I broke down and bought the Alienware AW2310.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/pro...etail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8846

Even though the Alienware is not the best 120Hz monitors out there it is better than the low end 120Hz monitors when it comes to ghosting. I can adjust it so the games have zero ghosting and the brightness is up high out of the box and is perfect for 3D. I use it for surfing and any game I play in 3D. If I do not play the game in 3D then I play it on the Sony FW900.

This one seems to be the new favorite, it comes with a built in dongle and 3D glasses.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=kQofTv3FLsazsAL80-jDAw&ved=0CEMQ8wIwAA

Also check out iZ3D monitors which are being phased out but the software is being supported for new technologies. If flicker glasses bother you I would look at this option.
 
Sinizar can you set the 3d glasses to any refresh rate? I did not think that nVidias solution would work with anything other than 120hz I thought the rate of the eye flipping on the glasses was set in stone.
 
rudy said:
Sinizar can you set the 3d glasses to any refresh rate? I did not think that nVidias solution would work with anything other than 120hz I thought the rate of the eye flipping on the glasses was set in stone.
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Yes, you can set it to the refresh rate you want on a CRT but the lower the refresh the worst it looks. I would not recommend anything under 95Hz.

I think when you are setting it up you do have to set your desktop to a resolution that supports 120Hz. Then once you go through the setup you can change it in game.

The glasses do not work with anything that forces 60Hz because then you are only getting 30Hz per eye which is bad enough to cry blood.
 
Sinizar said:
Yes, you can set it to the refresh rate you want on a CRT but the lower the refresh the worst it looks. I would not recommend anything under 95Hz.

I think when you are setting it up you do have to set your desktop to a resolution that supports 120Hz. Then once you go through the setup you can change it in game.

The glasses do not work with anything that forces 60Hz because then you are only getting 30Hz per eye which is bad enough to cry blood.
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1920x1080 is around115Hz (as opposed to 1920x1200 being at mere 95)
 
Will running the monitor @ 1920x1200 at 95 hrz decrease the life of the tube faster than running it at 85hrz? Mine will only go up to 85hz in Windows.
 
Can anyone link me to a post where it guides you through setting up custom resolutions?

I got a new video card, a GTX 460 and installed drivers and now I can't seem to set 1280x720 @ 100hz :(
 
BTW if anyone is using Linux and an ATi card and wants to use 1920x1200@85 Hz, here is what you do...

1. Install ATI proprietary drivers (fglrx_driver, fglrx_control, etc.)
2. Terminal>
gtf 1920 1200 85
(copy everything from apostropes onward, for example: "1920x1200_85.00" 282.74 1920 2072 2280 2640 1200 1201 1204 1260 -HSync +Vsync)
3. xrandr
(to see your card's outputs, the one my monitor is connected to is called CRT2)
4. xrandr --newmode "1920x1200_85.00" 282.74 1920 2072 2280 2640 1200 1201 1204 1260 -HSync +Vsync
5. xrandr --addmode CRT2 1920x1200_85.00
6. sudo amdcccle
7. Set your resolution to 1920x1200, 85 Hz
8. Restart
9. Voila.
 
Epiik said:
Can anyone link me to a post where it guides you through setting up custom resolutions?

I got a new video card, a GTX 460 and installed drivers and now I can't seem to set 1280x720 @ 100hz :(
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Go into the nvidia Control Panel, left you got these blue links. Click on "Set Resolution"/"Change Resolution" or something like that. Then click the button [Customize...]. Then there will be a window with a button called [ set user-specific resolution], for the first time you click this button a licence agreement or so will appear just click ok. After clicking a window will appear where you can create your own resolution and the refreshrate. You can also set the timing but i think there should be no problems when its set automatically. If there are problems then try GTF.
 
Myramond said:
Go into the nvidia Control Panel, left you got these blue links. Click on "Set Resolution"/"Change Resolution" or something like that. Then click the button [Customize...]. Then there will be a window with a button called [ set user-specific resolution], for the first time you click this button a licence agreement or so will appear just click ok. After clicking a window will appear where you can create your own resolution and the refreshrate. You can also set the timing but i think there should be no problems when its set automatically. If there are problems then try GTF.
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Thanks for trying to help. I have been trying it in here and have had success previously just leaving it at progressive whilst other times needing to go into manual timings.

I've set the monitor driver to Sony FW900 through device manager in Windows 7 but for some reason it's not working when it did previously.
 
Can new Nvidia drivers make it so the refresh rates don't work anymore?

Are there certain "classic" drivers FW900 works well with?
 
Epiik said:
Can new Nvidia drivers make it so the refresh rates don't work anymore?

Are there certain "classic" drivers FW900 works well with?
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Oh right i forgot to ask if you installed the drivers. Which Windows are you using and is it 32 or 64 bit?
 
Myramond said:
Oh right i forgot to ask if you installed the drivers. Which Windows are you using and is it 32 or 64 bit?
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Windows 7 64bit.

I went through start > "Devices And Printers" into monitor and then set the driver to SONY FW900.

Then I go through right click desktop > Nvidia Control panel to set the custom resolution and if I use GTF it doesn't stay at 100hz and is just 60hz in-game.

Some resolutions like 1920x1200 say "there is already this resolution in pc" when I set it to 100hz or 120hz but then I go in-game and it's at 60hz.

I've got my fw900 connected into a dvi slot to a GTX 460 msi hawk talon attack.

Just went to nvidia's site and got the latest driver for 400 series and also tried a beta one.

edit: so I got 1280x800 working at 140hz but for FIFA 11 it still is at 60hz when I open the game. Black Ops and Bad Company 2 work at 140hz but TF2 won't even open now it says game is unavailable so I can't test there yet
 
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ellover009 said:
I just got the cable, havent gotten home yet, its a bit shorter than i expected. Do i use my regular vga cable and hook it up to this to extend the reach. Or do i have to tip my case and put screen in floor so it can reach?
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Sorry I was suprised by how short it was and should of warned you.

You want to connect it to your computers serial port and to your monitors service port. My desktop didn't have a serial port but I can use my 4 year old laptop. If possible I would try to place my desktop behind the monitor (but I don't know how realistic this is for you).
 
This may seem like a really stupid question considering how long I've been using my FW900 for color work in Photoshop, but just how much color gamut coverage does the FW900 have compared to either AdobeRGB or sRGB?
 
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