Will Half-Life 2 Episode 3 become the new DNF?

spacing guild said:
Name a bad Valve game. I dare you.

They obviously intend HL3 to be a tour de force...and pushing back the date just whets the appetite while they work on other outstanding projects. There is not a single doubt in my mind that a new Half Life will be released.
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Easy. Episode 1, Episode 2, TF2 and Left 4 Dead.

Also, that's exactly what I meant in my other post. Valve gets away with that ridiculous "oh they can take as long as they want". It's so laughable, because they are clearly showing they don't care about their fan base (in that interview they clearly say no one at Valve is "excited" to work on Half Life), yet that same fan base keeps praising them for essentially ignoring them...

It...makes...no...sense...
 
drako said:
That's the thing. They have a philosophy they like and they make good games. But the flip side of the coin is that they don't really care about chasing the cash, so an obvious sales slam dunk like HL3 sits on the sidelines until people there feel like working on it.

I have no doubt they are doing work on the HL franchise and have been ever since Episode 2 came out, but after hearing about their philosophy in that article, I wouldn't be surprised if progress is very very slow (even for Valve!).
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What a laughable thing to say....Working on HL3 isn't about pursuing money (although obviously if it ever gets made, it will certainly generate income)...it's about pleasing fans that crave for said game for YEARS now. What you are essentially doing is excusing them for ignoring you (I'm assuming you also want to know how the HL story ends/continues in HL3), which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Any other company that ignores their fans, gets a huge backlash...Valve gets praise...It's insane.
 
Silus said:
Easy. Episode 1, Episode 2, TF2 and Left 4 Dead.

Also, that's exactly what I meant in my other post. Valve gets away with that ridiculous "oh they can take as long as they want". It's so laughable, because they are clearly showing they don't care about their fan base (in that interview they clearly say no one at Valve is "excited" to work on Half Life), yet that same fan base keeps praising them for essentially ignoring them...

It...makes...no...sense...
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Those are great Valve games if you ask most people. Well, Episode 1 was kind of just ok but I liked Episode 2 more than HL2.
 
Kinsaras said:
Those are great Valve games if you ask most people. Well, Episode 1 was kind of just ok but I liked Episode 2 more than HL2.
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Do I have to like a game because apparently most people do ?

The reasons to consider the episodes bad are very simple. Episode 1 was pretty short and nothing more than point and shoot (a complaint I also have for HL2, from half way through, up to the ending, it's nothing more than point and shoot with ZERO story development). Episode 2 is more of the same but a bit better and longer, but resorted to very, very old mechanics like staying in one place and be attacked by hordes of enemies from all directions for several minutes, where you can't do a thing except hoping to survive. I hated this as much as I hated the final sniper level in CoD 4, where we had to pick a spot and hope to survive for a bazillion minutes as we listen to the radio and the helicopter pilot going "We're almost there...", 10 minutes later, "Just a few more minutes", 10 minutes later..."We're on our final approach..."...Hate that crap.

The only noteworthy aspect that TF2 brought were the character designs. Apart from that it's a pretty generic/mediocre multiplayer game. Same for Left 4 Dead (without the character designs bonus to help it). Never played L4D2, but from what I read, it's worse than the first, so no big loss for me.
 
It's amazing how many valve fanbois there are here..seriously.

I've lost faith in Valve, I can no longer support a company that follows the time structure they do.

Sure, HL was a good series of games but I for one am completely disappointed that they left the HL universe to make repetitive games such as TF2, L4D, and Portal. And before any fanboi talks about the "different teams" for each game and their "open development" for the coders, I'm just gonna say "so what". The ME series is something that I find trumps HL in every which way.

Yeah I said it.
 
Silus said:
Do I have to like a game because apparently most people do ?
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No, liking a game is largely a matter of taste.
'Good' is a somewhat less subjective means of measuring a game.
You're free to not like 'good' games, that's doesn't make your opinion of the game, or the general consensus of quality wrong. Valve titles, Half Life in particular are pretty universally regarded as 'good' games.

The reasons to consider the episodes bad are very simple. Episode 1 was pretty short and nothing more than point and shoot (a complaint I also have for HL2, from half way through, up to the ending, it's nothing more than point and shoot with ZERO story development).
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I won't go through point by point because I know your (and my) opinion on Valve and their games are pretty well made up.
But really, EP1 had no story? It's an expansion pack to a shooter, not an RPG so it's like we're going to get hours of exposition and character development; but the Combine using the explosion to send out a message to their homeworld.

It did it's job of advancing the City 17 storyline and setting up the end-game with the Combine.
 
I don't understand why having patience makes a person insane?

What exactly can we as fans do that helps? Bitching and moaning just doesn't seem to work for lots of us; just produces more gas and probably makes Valve less interested in relieving us
 
Youn said:
I don't understand why having patience makes a person insane?

What exactly can we as fans do that helps? Bitching and moaning just doesn't seem to work for lots of us; just produces more gas and probably makes Valve less interested in relieving us
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What? Why would they care about relieving us? They are a company, all they care about is money (and rightly so), that's it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
 
I'd say that I agree with the thread title. damn near 4 years later, this HL2 episode 3...or they may as well go for Half Life 3 outright...is on track to being the "next DNF" so to speak.

There's no excuses for it and I daresay that normally most people would agree with that easily and even be pretty angry about it but for some folks anything Valve does is always ok to some of the worst fanboy levels I think I've ever seen outside of a Church of Jobs Apple zealot.

And I like Valve! But I certainly don't give them a free pass on anything, same as any other person or entity.


I think the whole thing is pretty absurd myself.
 
Silus said:
What a laughable thing to say....Working on HL3 isn't about pursuing money (although obviously if it ever gets made, it will certainly generate income)...it's about pleasing fans that crave for said game for YEARS now. What you are essentially doing is excusing them for ignoring you (I'm assuming you also want to know how the HL story ends/continues in HL3), which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Any other company that ignores their fans, gets a huge backlash...Valve gets praise...It's insane.
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Fan service is no reason to make a game either. On the console side, Zelda Twilight Princess was all about Nintendo trying to please Ocarina of Time fans who hated the direction they took Wind Waker. As a result we got a by the numbers sequel that didn't really bring anything new to the franchise.

And nothing in my post was praising Valve except saying they make good games, which is my opinion and is shared by a large proportion of the gaming population. I don't like their release schedule any more than you do, but I'm not going to sit around on Hard or the Steam forums bitching about it. I'm just going to take my money and gaming attention elsewhere until Valve feels compelled to release something HL related. There's a lot of good looking games coming up in the next 6-12 months. Why waste time worrying about what is currently vaporware?
 
BlitzPuppet said:
What? Why would they care about relieving us? They are a company, all they care about is money (and rightly so), that's it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
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It's well known that Gabe doesn't care all that much about money. If he did, we would probably have episode 3/HL3 by now because it's almost guaranteed to sell well. In all fairness though, it appears that he also doesn't care about pushing our patience past a lot of our limits.
 
The sad thing is that the episodic content that Valve put out, while an "episode" was still better than 97.3 percent of the crap put out lately. That just shows that no matter how long Valve takes with a game, we will wait, and almost inevitably, it will be worth the wait.
 
Crash250f said:
It's well known that Gabe doesn't care all that much about money. If he did, we would probably have episode 3/HL3 by now because it's almost guaranteed to sell well.
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What does he care about then? Playing puppeteer with new hats/achievements in TF2 or the other various steam games? Widening steams game market?
 
It's taking so long because Gordon went Rastafarian. Mista Gordon Freemon put down his crowbar for the bong.
 
Fail said:
The sad thing is that the episodic content that Valve put out, while an "episode" was still better than 97.3 percent of the crap put out lately. That just shows that no matter how long Valve takes with a game, we will wait, and almost inevitably, it will be worth the wait.
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They are great games which are worth the money it costs to play them. I wouldn't necessarily say "they are worth the wait." It's more like "I had no choice but to wait." In the meantime there are plenty of games of varying quality to tide one over between the good Valve games. (The Left 4 Dead series doesn't count as good.)
 
Dan_D said:
They are great games which are worth the money it costs to play them. I wouldn't necessarily say "they are worth the wait." It's more like "I had no choice but to wait." In the meantime there are plenty of games of varying quality to tide one over between the good Valve games. (The Left 4 Dead series doesn't count as good.)
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L4D not good? seriously?

L4D1 was hella fun i spent countless hours playing it, L4D2 wasn't quite as good, but I still had fun with that with my friends,

I'd definitely count it in the category of "good, but not great" for the 2nd one, and "somewhere between good and great" for the first one.
 
Silus said:
Easy. Episode 1, Episode 2, TF2 and Left 4 Dead.

Also, that's exactly what I meant in my other post. Valve gets away with that ridiculous "oh they can take as long as they want". It's so laughable, because they are clearly showing they don't care about their fan base (in that interview they clearly say no one at Valve is "excited" to work on Half Life), yet that same fan base keeps praising them for essentially ignoring them...

It...makes...no...sense...
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Wow, 4 great games there you think aren't good. Fine, you don't like Valve games but I'm not sure why you take such a personal dislike to them. It isn't like Gordon pissed in your Cheerios while Gabe emptied your fridge to satisfy his endless hunger.

They make great games, in many peoples' opinion. That gives them leeway, and the fact of the matter bitching on forums isn't going to make them come out faster and will only raise your blood pressure, so we just shrug our shoulders and wait.

I don't need a company to wax my shoes and tell me how much they care, I could give a shit. Once they release the game, I will play it if it is good. I won't go through some type of political checklist to see if they did enough gamer fluffing bullshit in the past 5 years to see if I will buy it first.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
It's taking so long because Gordon went Rastafarian. Mista Gordon Freemon put down his crowbar for the bong.
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What are you on right now?

Can I have some too?

On a slightly more serious, but not so serious note, maybe Gabe went Rastafarian.
 
Fail said:
L4D not good? seriously?

L4D1 was hella fun i spent countless hours playing it, L4D2 wasn't quite as good, but I still had fun with that with my friends,

I'd definitely count it in the category of "good, but not great" for the 2nd one, and "somewhere between good and great" for the first one.
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Left 4 Dead 1 (Why it sucks)
  • Bad graphics (I could forgive this if the game offered good enough game play, but it doesn't.)
  • Tired game play (Seriously it brings nothing new to the table.)
  • Non-interactive environments
  • Ugly, repetitive environments
  • Enemies lack variety
  • Insufficient gore (Seriously, I demand Solider of Fortune II like gore for a zombie shooter.)
  • Serious lack of weapons variety
  • Overly repetitive game play

I played the Left 4 Dead 2 demo and found it to be a little better. Graphics still blow and the game play is weak sauce but at least we now have melee attacks with different weapons. The gore also went up a notch or two but it isn't enough.
 
Parmenides said:
What are you on right now?

Can I have some too?

On a slightly more serious, but not so serious note, maybe Gabe went Rastafarian.
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I woke up this morning to a car rolling by playing some seriously loud rasta/dubstep. Now I can't get it out of my head.

Anyway, I hope to hear something soon from Valve, but I'm not sitting on the edge of my seat.
 
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What i dont understand is, why are people who dont like valve games, bitching and moaning in this thread about Valve Time and valve not caring and whatnot?

Go play DNF and throw poop at aliens or something
 
Grrag275 said:
What i dont understand is, why are people who dont like valve games, bitching and moaning in this thread about Valve Time and valve not caring and whatnot?

Go play DNF and throw poop at aliens or something
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I like the Half-Life series quite a bit. Those are some of my all time favorite single player games.
 
HL1 is a first ballot Hall of Famer. I still get that "this game is gonna be fucking awesome!" feeling every time I watch the opening train ride sequence. I thought HL2 was a letdown; same with Ep 1. Ep 2 approached the greatness of the original. I had high hopes Ep 3 would be a masterpiece, but I've lost interest after all this time. If we ever see an Ep 3 or a full HL3, I'll get excited.
 
I read somewhere that Valve can't count to three (Left for Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Half Life 2, Episode 2, etc) :)
 
Dan_D said:
Left 4 Dead 1 (Why it sucks)
  • Bad graphics (I could forgive this if the game offered good enough game play, but it doesn't.)
  • Tired game play (Seriously it brings nothing new to the table.)
  • Non-interactive environments
  • Ugly, repetitive environments
  • Enemies lack variety
  • Insufficient gore (Seriously, I demand Solider of Fortune II like gore for a zombie shooter.)
  • Serious lack of weapons variety
  • Overly repetitive game play

I played the Left 4 Dead 2 demo and found it to be a little better. Graphics still blow and the game play is weak sauce but at least we now have melee attacks with different weapons. The gore also went up a notch or two but it isn't enough.
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L4D2 has more open environments, but the level design isn't as good as the first game, but it really is a personal choice in whether you would like them or not. I prefer the levels from the first game.


L4D had grainy graphics, but that was done intentionally because you were supposed to be playing the role of a guy in a zombie film. I certainly wouldn't term the graphics to be "ground breaking" but they were certainly a little more than adequate.

Insufficient gore? I don't really care about the gore level too much, I did get satisfaction out of seeing their heads explode, that's about it.

I agree with you on the special Infected count, there really wasn't enough monster variety.

Overall, I'd say the games were good, but not groundbreaking, what makes them fun is the hours you spend playing them with your friends.

I certainly got my money's worth out of these games.
 
Grrag275 said:
What i dont understand is, why are people who dont like valve games, bitching and moaning in this thread about Valve Time and valve not caring and whatnot?

Go play DNF and throw poop at aliens or something
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Why is it so outlandishly hard to understand why a playerbase would be upset at a developer when they feel like they are being ignored?

"ha ha ha, HL3 will be awesome! Valve says it will be out in 2007 which means we should expect it by 2013. ha ha ha valve time is so funny. For now let's just all play TF2 while we wait."

I'm not saying they should go EA on pushing out a HL every year, just that they should be reasonable. It's been like this before HL1 was even released and I for one am sick of it.
 
Fail thread. What game before L4D1 *REQUIRED* coop play in order to survive? Granted, miany had COOP, but you could RAMBO your way through them. Not the case with L4D, (assuming you don't exploit the game engine zombie limitations)

Dan_D said:
Left 4 Dead 1 (Why it sucks)
  • Bad graphics (I could forgive this if the game offered good enough game play, but it doesn't.)
  • Tired game play (Seriously it brings nothing new to the table.)
  • Non-interactive environments
  • Ugly, repetitive environments
  • Enemies lack variety
  • Insufficient gore (Seriously, I demand Solider of Fortune II like gore for a zombie shooter.)
  • Serious lack of weapons variety
  • Overly repetitive game play

I played the Left 4 Dead 2 demo and found it to be a little better. Graphics still blow and the game play is weak sauce but at least we now have melee attacks with different weapons. The gore also went up a notch or two but it isn't enough.
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BlitzPuppet said:
Why is it so outlandishly hard to understand why a playerbase would be upset at a developer when they feel like they are being ignored?

"ha ha ha, HL3 will be awesome! Valve says it will be out in 2007 which means we should expect it by 2013. ha ha ha valve time is so funny. For now let's just all play TF2 while we wait."

I'm not saying they should go EA on pushing out a HL every year, just that they should be reasonable. It's been like this before HL1 was even released and I for one am sick of it.
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I think most of that is directed at Silus, who is the most frequent poster in every Valve/HalfLife/Steam related thread, who constantly attacks Valve and anyone who likes their products.

As a Valve fan I'm absolutely frustrated by the delay, but they have released good games in the interim, I really like Steam and feel it adds value other than just allowing me to download games. To some, apparently, that is blasphemy!



Also in regards to L4D1, I think the "auto director" was a new feature that was very cool.
 
BlitzPuppet said:
Why is it so outlandishly hard to understand why a playerbase would be upset at a developer when they feel like they are being ignored?

"ha ha ha, HL3 will be awesome! Valve says it will be out in 2007 which means we should expect it by 2013. ha ha ha valve time is so funny. For now let's just all play TF2 while we wait."

I'm not saying they should go EA on pushing out a HL every year, just that they should be reasonable. It's been like this before HL1 was even released and I for one am sick of it.
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That doesnt answer my question and it was for people who DO NOT like valve games but feel the need to bitch in every valve thread
Yes its been like this before Hl1 was released and im used to it and dont care that much anymore. And HL games are my all time favorites.
I guess its because i have an actual life now, a job... etc :p
 
Grrag275 said:
That doesnt answer my question and it was for people who DO NOT like valve games but feel the need to bitch in every valve thread
Yes its been like this before Hl1 was released and im used to it and dont care that much anymore. And HL games are my all time favorites.
I guess its because i have an actual life now, a job... etc :p
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It wasn't directed towards you and I wasn't meaning to answer your question either :p

HL was good but it wasn't so good that valve is immune to any criticism from me.
 
Gearbox wasn't interested in making DNF a good game. They just wanted to turn the pile of old DNF code into something they could push out the door with minimal effort, and make money on the brand name. Gearbox doesn't care anything about preserving Duke's name.

Valve will want to make a a good game..
 
BlitzPuppet said:
What does he care about then? Playing puppeteer with new hats/achievements in TF2 or the other various steam games? Widening steams game market?
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Kinda late on this, but anyways, there's a bunch of recent interviews with him lately where he makes it quite clear that the #1 thing for him is having fun at work. I'm sure a part of that is the sense of accomplishment that goes with making games, but I have no idea how much this is tied to making his customers happy, or just doing what he wants. Clearly there's evidence for the latter.
 
Silus said:
Easy. Episode 1, Episode 2, TF2 and Left 4 Dead.

Also, that's exactly what I meant in my other post. Valve gets away with that ridiculous "oh they can take as long as they want". It's so laughable, because they are clearly showing they don't care about their fan base (in that interview they clearly say no one at Valve is "excited" to work on Half Life), yet that same fan base keeps praising them for essentially ignoring them...

It...makes...no...sense...
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I played L4D for months and loved it, as have many others. TF2? Many times I left Steam open while playing a game outside of Steam...only to be brought back to my desktop with yet another announcement of a new TF2 lan party starting...so um...a years old game still rocking? If you didn't like Ep.1 and Ep. 2, you didn't like HL2. What did you expect with episodic content, knowing full well that Ep. 3 would be the climax?:rolleyes:

As I said, Valve makes good games. I don't think they ignore their fans at all....excellence takes time and planning. DNF wasn't planned...it was cobbled together and shat out.

I think I see a pattern developing,tho...trolls don't like excellence....when ever a company makes consistently superior, desirable products (Apple, Valve)...there's always a pool of trolls waiting to crap on it. I've been waiting for Ep.3 as long as everyone else and I'm not worried about it because I know when it comes, it will be AWESOME.;)
 
spacing guild said:
I played L4D for months and loved it, as have many others. TF2? Many times I left Steam open while playing a game outside of Steam...only to be brought back to my desktop with yet another announcement of a new TF2 lan party starting...so um...a years old game still rocking? If you didn't like Ep.1 and Ep. 2, you didn't like HL2. What did you expect with episodic content, knowing full well that Ep. 3 would be the climax?:rolleyes:

As I said, Valve makes good games. I don't think they ignore their fans at all....excellence takes time and planning. DNF wasn't planned...it was cobbled together and shat out.

I think I see a pattern developing,tho...trolls don't like excellence....when ever a company makes consistently superior, desirable products (Apple, Valve)...there's always a pool of trolls waiting to crap on it. I've been waiting for Ep.3 as long as everyone else and I'm not worried about it because I know when it comes, it will be AWESOME.;)
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Don't ever throw Valve and Apple into the same category again.
 
spacing guild said:
Hate to tell you this pal...they are in same category. SUPERIOR PRODUCTS. If it wasn't cheaper to own a PC, i'd have a Mac with Steam on my desk right now.:cool:
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Hate to tell you this pal, but they really aren't. The only thing superior about a Mac is the operating system. The hardware is the exact same hardware that you could find in a PC, but for a good $300+ more than you'd pay for the same specs in a PC. Add to that the fact that Apple doesn't really make a Mac that's good for gaming, and we have a sub par product wrapped in a pretty white box.
 
Dan_D said:
I like the Half-Life series quite a bit. Those are some of my all time favorite single player games.
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Do you own L4D2? If not, there is a Steam sale going on for the game, 1 L4D2 copy for $6.80 or a 4 pack for 20 bucks.

Do you want a copy? I'm thinking of picking up a 4 pack and giving some to my lazy friends who never got it.

I'm pretty sure you'll like the full version, the demo was good, but the actual retail release was much better.

I'm absolutely certain you'd get $6.80 worth of fun out of it, if not more, and since you said you bought AVP games and you bought CoD Black Ops, you've spent more money on worse games, so you got nothing to lose here.
 
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