AMD FX 8 Core and 4 Core Processor Systems Seen Running at E3

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Looks good, when should we start to see these bad boys out??
 
Anbiguous post about an ambiguous post. You've been here 6 years and don't want to add your own opinion?
I'll try.
I think the bulldozer is going to have slightly less IPC but have higher mhz and in multithreaded apps will slaughter sandybridge but will be a tie with ivybridge which will cost 3 times more.
See, how hard is that?
 
Given the delays and how tight-lipped they've been with performance, my guess it will be a giant let down.
 
Im glad this stuff is starting to come out. I'm waiting to see performance numbers. I really hope I can go back to AMD.
 
ivybridge which will cost 3 times more.
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ivtbridge (Q1 or Q2 2012) will not cost 3 times more. You probably are talking about SB-E lga2011 which will come out in Q3 or Q4 2011. lga2011 will be faster than bulldozer since it will have higher IPC and up to double the amount of threads that bulldozer will have.


ivybridge on the other hand will be made on Intels 22nm process and be the direct replacement for Intels lga1155 SB processors. Expect a minimal IPC improvement, higher clocks and a significantly lower power draw. I am not sure if there will be any 6 core / 12 threaded processors for that. However if bulldozer performs there probably will be. Since the current lga1155 SB processors were intentionally held back in performance (limited to less than 95W). I expect the reason is Intel did not need to make them any faster since AMD had no answer for months and to make these faster they would compete with the low end of lga2011 which Intel wants to avoid.
 
Monkey God said:
Given the delays and how tight-lipped they've been with performance, my guess it will be a giant let down.
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Safe bet for desktop performance. Server performance per socket OTOH should be OK with enough cores stuffed into one socket.
 
I cant watch the vid (Im at work). Does it give any new info?

I admit I'm getting a bit hyped. I want one without even seeing numbers, I hope the performance is at least close to SB.
 
Monkey God said:
Given the delays and how tight-lipped they've been with performance, my guess it will be a giant let down.
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I wouldn't say that. They hit a home run with the 5000 and 6000 series video cards. Granted Nvidia isn't as much competition as Intel but it does show that AMD knows how to make good stuff. I admit its a little discouraging that after nearly 3 years they still don't have their shit together while Intel releases generation after generation of successful lines....ok maybe discouraging isn't a strong enough word, but I'm still not ready to throw in the towel.....yet.
 
AMD_Gamer said:
Bulldozer is going to dominate! AMD IS BACK!
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You don't give up do you? I swear you must be paid for this shit.


Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully the numbers back it up, I would love to be able to tell Intel to stick it, again. But my money goes where it's best spent, period.
 
Oh boy the good ol "native # core design" marketing gimmick they love so dearly. This is promising :rolleyes:
 
That's the part that worries me the most......they are immediately pushing the core count, especially the 8 cores
 
QuiteSufficient said:
That's the part that worries me the most......they are immediately pushing the core count, especially the 8 cores
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Well, I'm optimistic, particularly since they brought back the FX moniker for this release. It would be an "epic" (pun intended) fail if they labeled it an FX and charged $320 (they confirmed this) for the top tier piece, yet still couldn't compete with Intel's offerings.

It's not like I have a choice in my optimism though.
 
teletran8 said:
Better than Hyperthreading, WTFH you 2 snorting?
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That's yet to be proven. All the has been proven is how their "native # core design" marketing gimmick is meaningless and has fizzled in the past.
 
MacLeod said:
I wouldn't say that. They hit a home run with the 5000 and 6000 series video cards. Granted Nvidia isn't as much competition as Intel but it does show that AMD knows how to make good stuff. I admit its a little discouraging that after nearly 3 years they still don't have their shit together while Intel releases generation after generation of successful lines....ok maybe discouraging isn't a strong enough word, but I'm still not ready to throw in the towel.....yet.
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The 5000/6000 series cards really aren't AMD products IMO.. they are/were ATI products that got rebranded to AMD now. Let's see what AMD does with that division with the next 2-3 generations of video cards.

For the record I'm not an ATI/Nvidia fan boy (I've owned both) or an Intel/AMD fan boy (I've owned both again, even back to the AM486 days). Everything right now is speculation and I sure as hell wish they'd release something.
 
Chops said:
That's yet to be proven. All the has been proven is how their "native # core design" marketing gimmick is meaningless and has fizzled in the past.
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INTEL 4C/8T = i7 2600k = 314.99 = 3.4Ghz CB Score = 6.46pts.

INTEL 4C/0T = i5 2500k = 224.99 = 4.7Ghz CB Score = 7.35pts.

AMD 6C/0T = x6 1100T = 199.99 = 4.2Ghz CB Score = 7.41pts.

INTEL 4C/8T = i7 950 = 269.99 = 4.4Ghz CB Score = 7.48pts.

INTEL 4C/8T = i7 2600k =314.99 = 4.7Ghz CB Score = 9.25pts.

For the AMD x6 1100T
7.41pts. / 6 Cores 0 Threads = 1.235pts. per AMD PII Core

1.235pts. x 8 Cores 0 Threads = 9.88 if they were just simply AMD PII Cores @ 4.2Ghz, but they're not. :p

Factor in Bulldozers higher IPC+Higher overclock potential (32nm) per Core VS. older (45nm) Phenom II and it's easily = 10.00pts. + in CB ;)
 
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Monkey God said:
Given the delays and how tight-lipped they've been with performance, my guess it will be a giant let down.
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AMD has always been insanely tight lipped about their processor releases. typically when people sit there and try to show up before something is released is usually a sign that you should be worried. if they are quiet it usually means they have something up their sleeve and its usually good. but look through out the last 5 years.. phenom II they were very quiet, barely anything got leaked.. phenom I same thing, athlon x2 same thing and when they came out they were still better then pentium D which was its direct competition at the time. AMD doesn't allow many leaks due to their size, unlike intel and nvidia who are huge corporations with a lot of people that know a lot of things and no way to control all the ways to leak information.


WillC310 said:
The 5000/6000 series cards really aren't AMD products IMO.. they are/were ATI products that got rebranded to AMD now. Let's see what AMD does with that division with the next 2-3 generations of video cards.

For the record I'm not an ATI/Nvidia fan boy (I've owned both) or an Intel/AMD fan boy (I've owned both again, even back to the AM486 days). Everything right now is speculation and I sure as hell wish they'd release something.
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the 5k and 6k series are AMD product's they were funded and designed after AMD had purchased the company in 2006 (people tend to forget that AMD owned ATI for 5 years before they decided to change the name because investor's were scared that the company would go bankrupt after buying ATI). the 4k series is an ATI funded and designed product though. without AMD GDDR5 would of never went into production when it did and the 5k series was originally going to use GDDR4 because of that. with AMD's funding the entire graphic card market changed over night for both AMD and Nvidia. AMD spent millions of dollars to fund and push the development and production of GDDR5. soon enough it will change again with the fact that Global Founderies will now be producting AMD's GPU's and we will no longer have to rely on TSMC to find a way to screw something up.
 
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Vercinaigh said:
You don't give up do you? I swear you must be paid for this shit.


Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully the numbers back it up, I would love to be able to tell Intel to stick it, again. But my money goes where it's best spent, period.
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Even if he got paid it is meaningless when the numbers come out you can judge for yourself.

Have you ever heard a company say: hey were launching a new product but it sucks donkey balls ;) ?
 
hmm so are we going to see the 8 core bulldozers in the market pretty soon or are they still delayed until August or September?
 
DJ_Reason said:
hmm so are we going to see the 8 core bulldozers in the market pretty soon or are they still delayed until August or September?
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consumer processors are delayed to august and september. lower end processors will come out in august, high end in september. the opteron based bulldozers will come out july. kind of expected since the enterprise sector is where the real money is at for AMD and up til now AMD has never released an opteron processor after the consumer versions been released. so its not surprising they delayed the consumer processors to release the opteron processors before it.

Vercinaigh said:
You don't give up do you? I swear you must be paid for this shit.


Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully the numbers back it up, I would love to be able to tell Intel to stick it, again. But my money goes where it's best spent, period.
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lol hes not paid, he just tries way to damn hard to look like an AMD fanboy and is failing hardcore at it.
 
teletran8 said:
INTEL 4C/8T = i7 2600k =314.99 = 4.7Ghz CB Score = 9.25pts.

1.235pts. x 8 Cores 0 Threads = 9.88 if they were just simply AMD PII Cores @ 4.2Ghz, but they're not. :p

Factor in Bulldozers higher IPC+Higher overclock potential (32nm) per Core VS. older (45nm) Phenom II and it's easily = 10.00pts. + in CB ;)
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Wow so using 8 full cores they might even be slightly faster than SB using 4 cores with HT in one of rare alplications that scales almost perfectly with the number of cores :D
 
with current applications the only thing thats going to really matter is single threaded performance. which is where bulldozer "should" be able to easily out perform SB due to its modular design. but no one really knows at this point. applications need to start catching up to the multi-threaded technology and at the rate things are going it won't happen anytime soon.
 
Cant wait to see what interlagos/valencia can do.

Desktop bulldozer FX should do some good folding.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
with current applications the only thing thats going to really matter is single threaded performance. which is where bulldozer "should" be able to easily out perform SB due to its modular design. but no one really knows at this point. applications need to start catching up to the multi-threaded technology and at the rate things are going it won't happen anytime soon.
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What part of modular design is going to help with single threaded performance? Unlike Sandy Bridge slides which explained heavilly what is improved in internal logic I haven't seen anything like that from AMD.
 
Michaelius said:
What part of modular design is going to help with single threaded performance? Unlike Sandy Bridge slides which explained heavilly what is improved in internal logic I haven't seen anything like that from AMD.
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not even going to bother answering this because the answer is already out there, look for it.
 
Michaelius said:
Wow so using 8 full cores they might even be slightly faster than SB using 4 cores with HT in one of rare alplications that scales almost perfectly with the number of cores :D
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Intel's 1 (2 HT cores) is as big as BD's module (two cores). I think 8 cores being faster than Intel's 8 HT cores is sort of a goal. It's not bad if both processors are about the same size. Same cost to make, same TDP...
 
If AMD can bring out a product that is comparable in speed at a comparable cost. They'll have a chance in some realms.

If they do that, it'll be a good thing for the consumer.
If they fail, it might be the end of AMD making a viable push for desktop CPU's
 
For the AMD x6 1100T
7.41pts. / 6 Cores 0 Threads = 1.235pts. per AMD PII Core

1.235pts. x 8 Cores 0 Threads = 9.88 if they were just simply AMD PII Cores @ 4.2Ghz, but they're not. :p

Factor in Bulldozers higher IPC+Higher overclock potential (32nm) per Core VS. older (45nm) Phenom II and it's easily = 10.00pts. + in CB ;)
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BTW, it will be 8 cores / 8 threads not 8 cores / 0 threads. 0 Means you can't execute anything on it.
 
stiltner said:
If AMD can bring out a product that is comparable in speed at a comparable cost. They'll have a chance in some realms.

If they do that, it'll be a good thing for the consumer.
If they fail, it might be the end of AMD making a viable push for desktop CPU's
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No, it will not. Do you remember the K5/K6 era? From then until the release of the Athlon 64, AMD was in a much more dire situation. Remember the Athlon XP line didn't help AMD much, even though they were better than P3/P4 (clock-for-clock), the supporting platform (chipsets) sucked.

From 1996 - 2003, AMD was in a far worse situation, especially with the way Intel was, than they could even be in. The only way AMD could ever screw up that badly again is to release a processor that is hotter and slower than K10 (Phenom I not II).
 
Michaelius said:
Wow so using 8 full cores they might even be slightly faster than SB using 4 cores with HT in one of rare alplications that scales almost perfectly with the number of cores :D
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Intel wants to use 4/8 company ideology to build it's cpus.
AMD wants to use 8/0 company ideology. So what?

Oh you have a problem with it boo hoo? Cry about it moar, mail a letter out to Intel or sumthing, send them a memo....see if I care lmao.

Yes there is only 1 SB processor faster than the 1100T in CB MT. (ALL the other SB can't compete with a 1100T in CB MT price or performance haha you do understand how old their design is compared to SB right, it's also still on 45nm, and only 1 SB that can take on the 1100T, which HAS to be OC'd or else it is a fail chip as well in CB MT!) The 2600K's price increase doesn't warrant the performance increase either, unless your a silly INTEL fanboy. ;)

HAHA You learn something new everyday don't you? ;) Bulldozers going to kick ass, deal with it.
 
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