Microsoft Should Replace Ballmer?

Also, what about Bing? No it isn't a google killer, but I'd say overall it has been a success.
 
It all boils down to the fact that people dont think MS is 'cool' while Apple and Google are, regardless of specific features, hardware, etc.

So yeah, bing is actually a great alternative to say google, but its from boring, old MS, so who cares right? lol
 
heatlesssun said:
350 million plus copies of Windows 7 tend to disagree. Microsoft is still very relevant. Sure they have issues but they are correctable They are still making plenty of money and are still more profitable than Apple and still make more money than Google.

But Microsoft would love nothing more than to be underestimated.
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Yea, but 7 and, quite possibly 8, aren't going to save them. The licensing model for Apple and Andriod is more attractive. They're going to need a full blown lean, mean, no BS OS to run on the lightest devices. That means no bullshit validation checks, no fat, nothing that gets in the way of the device. And, I don't know that Ballmer can get that to happen. I don't think he can.

devil22 said:
Why does MS have to conquer everything? I see no reason why one company can't do cloud, another OSes, another tablets/phones. Hell, apple and google get their ass kicked in desktop operating systems. Maybe it's just me but I see desktop OSes as much more interesting and healthy than cloud and MIDs. Anyone can eat apple and google's lunch, and there are a ton of competitors in those areas, despite the fact that both are still new. MS has conquered everyone in OSes for damn near 20 years and I don't see viable alternatives to Windows coming any time soon. There are many people who care about MS (like heatlesssun said, 350 million Windows 7 copies in a year and half), it's kinda ignorant to say otherwise. It's a lot easier to switch phones and search engines, then to switch OSes, making them, in my mind, way less important (regarding *which* one you choose). Anyways, I don't want to write a book about this stuff so I'll stop here.
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I don't believe it's ignorant. You may not remember the awesomeness and buzz that surrounded the heyday of Microsoft. Everyone waited with held breath the releases of 2003, Exchange 2003, and Office 2003. Nobody cared with Exchange 2010, or server 2008. Hell, I didn't even see the anticipation for Vista just a few years ago. Sure 7 came out and everyone liked it, but the reaction is still, meh, it's Windows. The continued trend will be all information available on all devices at any time. And MS is just now trying to get in the game.
 
Shotglass01 said:
I don't believe it's ignorant. You may not remember the awesomeness and buzz that surrounded the heyday of Microsoft. Everyone waited with held breath the releases of 2003, Exchange 2003, and Office 2003. Nobody cared with Exchange 2010, or server 2008. Hell, I didn't even see the anticipation for Vista just a few years ago. Sure 7 came out and everyone liked it, but the reaction is still, meh, it's Windows. The continued trend will be all information available on all devices at any time. And MS is just now trying to get in the game.
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Because it is a utility now. Do you get excited to go to the gas pump? Hell no, but the oil companies still make a shitload of money, as does Microsoft. A company doesn't always have to make fangirls wet in the panties to be able to make money; some stuff you buy because you need it (MS) some because you want it (Apple, Google). Similar tech but still different, and neither Apple nor Google has shown they can truly compete with MS in their areas of expertise.
 
Shotglass01 said:
Yea, but 7 and, quite possibly 8, aren't going to save them. The licensing model for Apple and Andriod is more attractive. They're going to need a full blown lean, mean, no BS OS to run on the lightest devices. That means no bullshit validation checks, no fat, nothing that gets in the way of the device. And, I don't know that Ballmer can get that to happen. I don't think he can.
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Id argue that having to use Itunes to validate everything through iOS would count as a validation check and getting in the way of the device.
 
No. Under Ballmer they've come up with WP7, MSE, Windows 7, and Office 2010 which is selling like fucking hotcakes.

I see no reason to get rid of Ballmer. Quarter after Quarter now they've had record profits. This hedge fund owner can fuck off.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Because it is a utility now. Do you get excited to go to the gas pump? Hell no, but the oil companies still make a shitload of money, as does Microsoft. A company doesn't always have to make fangirls wet in the panties to be able to make money; some stuff you buy because you need it (MS) some because you want it (Apple, Google). Similar tech but still different, and neither Apple nor Google has shown they can truly compete with MS in their areas of expertise.
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No. A business does not need Microsoft any longer. That used to be the case about 7 years ago. You can easily set up the Google office package now for a small business. That wasn't even a choice a few years ago. Yea, you'd probably still run it on a Windows PC, but as I believe, the PC isn't going to rule maybe even 10 or 15 years from now. And, if you think about it, you have a choice now in cars. You could get an all electric. Just saying.

But, I'm done. I know Google and Apple and Amazon are already displacing Microsoft which was unheard of just years ago. They're nimble, can port their OS'es to a number of devices, can release changes quickly, and leave very little storage with the end user. We feel this as weird and intrusive because we want our PC's. We NEED our PC's. We depend on Steam. But the rest of the world could care less. They want e-mail and the word or Google doc or the Facebook wherever they are on a device that weighs next to nothing. Microsoft dabbles in Azure. They should be pushing it harder than anything else in the company but they can't cause Baller needs to be removed. And that's all I have to say about that. ;)
 
Shotglass01 said:
Yea, but 7 and, quite possibly 8, aren't going to save them. The licensing model for Apple and Andriod is more attractive. They're going to need a full blown lean, mean, no BS OS to run on the lightest devices. That means no bullshit validation checks, no fat, nothing that gets in the way of the device. And, I don't know that Ballmer can get that to happen. I don't think he can.



I don't believe it's ignorant. You may not remember the awesomeness and buzz that surrounded the heyday of Microsoft. Everyone waited with held breath the releases of 2003, Exchange 2003, and Office 2003. Nobody cared with Exchange 2010, or server 2008. Hell, I didn't even see the anticipation for Vista just a few years ago. Sure 7 came out and everyone liked it, but the reaction is still, meh, it's Windows. The continued trend will be all information available on all devices at any time. And MS is just now trying to get in the game.
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It's not MS that's not exciting, it's software that's not exciting because we've acheived all the technical features that people really need. 32-bit Protected Mode, > 1MB of RAM addressability, multiuser, networking, and so on. And there's so many people with computers now, that the collective bitch fest about upgrading is so loud that it dampens the enthusiasm for new technologies. Phones and cloud will probably go through the same thing eventually, where most everyone that wants a smart phone has one, and has one with 'good enough' feature set, that new upgrades will meet a collective 'sigh'. The fact that MS can make the sales it *does* make, off of Windows and office, is testament to Balmer's value, imo. Anyways, I see it as much more likely that MS conquers the cloud and MID markets, than google or apple conquer the OS market..
 
Fact is MS has an image problem. Apple and Google are fresh and exciting. People would open their mouths and wait for whatever comes out of Steve Jobs ass with great anticipation while MS is quietly cranking out good stuff.

Also the fact they are already working on IE10 shows they are working to speed up their development time.
 
Shotglass01 said:
No. A business does not need Microsoft any longer. That used to be the case about 7 years ago. You can easily set up the Google office package now for a small business. That wasn't even a choice a few years ago. Yea, you'd probably still run it on a Windows PC, but as I believe, the PC isn't going to rule maybe even 10 or 15 years from now. And, if you think about it, you have a choice now in cars. You could get an all electric. Just saying.

But, I'm done. I know Google and Apple and Amazon are already displacing Microsoft which was unheard of just years ago. They're nimble, can port their OS'es to a number of devices, can release changes quickly, and leave very little storage with the end user. We feel this as weird and intrusive because we want our PC's. We NEED our PC's. We depend on Steam. But the rest of the world could care less. They want e-mail and the word or Google doc or the Facebook wherever they are on a device that weighs next to nothing. Microsoft dabbles in Azure. They should be pushing it harder than anything else in the company but they can't cause Baller needs to be removed. And that's all I have to say about that. ;)
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What about Exchange servers? What about those companies that don't like their information synced with Google's servers? You make it seem like everyone should be using Google Docs and there's no reason not to.

There's a reason it hasn't caught in the enterprise sector - they don't like it.
 
Someone at Microsoft should be replaced, as their innovation is going down the toilet. It always seems like Microsoft is playing catch-up to Apple and Google.
 
kaname said:
I think yes, but only if they replace him with Steven Sinofsky. He did a great job with Office and Windows. He's also not loud and annoying as Ballmer. He plans and executes well, and I think he'd be the best fit to lead MS.
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I second. Also "Armchair Quarterbacks"? I do not believe I have heard that one in some time...:D
 
kaname said:
I think yes, but only if they replace him with Steven Sinofsky. He did a great job with Office and Windows. He's also not loud and annoying as Ballmer. He plans and executes well, and I think he'd be the best fit to lead MS.
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He also fires people for leaking information - kind of like what Mr. Jobs do.

Just saying ;-)
 
maybe microsoft need to do something radical like split.....

they could have a part devoted to developing apps for andoid/apple without worrying about them having to be released on windows first. maybe a part dedicated to the mysql dev, office dev. just throwing an idea out!

what about dropping the physical products (except xbox, as its too lucrative) and concentrating on what they do best? SOFTWARE! im sure the 3 billion they lost on the kin could have put to good use somewhere else....
 
Motley said:
I never did like Ballmer. He's whiner. I recently saw a 60 mintues (the show) interview, and he was bitching about how Bill was treating him back in the early days of MS.
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wasn't that Paul Allan? Ballmer was the one with bill planning on cutting paul of out the company when he had cancer.
 
thebaest said:
without actually reading the artical, I think Id say I have to disagree. I think a lotta people just have a natural hate for people wealthier than themselves, and naturally since he has more than you do... I think the products Microsoft has released since he has been there has been pretty good
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I do not begrudge Steve his billions.

He has to go because stock price has gone nowhere during his entire tenure while old skool competitors like IBM thrive. He has to go because the company lacks a strong vision going forward in many product units.

The only bright side, vision wise, is IEB (AKA E&D) where a recent re-org post-Kinect has re-aligned the entire division on singular vision of awesome.

Lets see what they show at All Things D.
 
Microsoft hit its peak some time ago and I don't think it'll ever be back to those days ever again no matter who they replace Ballmer with.
 
Shotglass01 said:
Yea, but 7 and, quite possibly 8, aren't going to save them.
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This is where the problem is, this line of thinking that leads to the post that follows it. You're under some impression they're going anywhere in a negative sense which is, of course, absolutely wrong.

Protip: Microsoft created the market that everybody else is finding themselves in. Without them, the personal computer would not be nearly as entrenched as it is right now as of this morning.

Bonus Protip: Microsoft ain't fucking going nowhere.

'Nuff typed.
 
They need to replace him with whoever came up with Office 2010 and VS 2010. Those programs are seriously my golden standard on how software should be designed.
 
Interested to see how well WIndows 8 will do. Will it be the next Vista? Balmer needs to go.
 
MS is the new IBM; they are filthy rich, not losing money and nobody knows they are rich because they never hear anything about them that's cool.

From what I hear Office 365 and their cloud stuffs is awesome...during my work day. Anything business related is 'boring' to the masses as most news and things are all entertainment related anyway.

MS needs to kick lots of cash and effort into a hype machine...for something brand new. 'Windows' in the name is old and people want new things and then their new things rapidly updated because it seems as if there is excitement. Everybody sits and talks about the new iOS update, the big WoW patch, 'I won't get Crysis 2 unless they DX11 patch it', Chrome had yet another update, etc. I say something new because if they kept adding little features into say IE9 like Google does with Chrome, the feeling is that MS effed up and is bug fixing.

The Zune was the right idea but it was playing ipod catch up and horrible marketing as well as some mismanagement with what to do with the division. Unless they stick something new in a tablet that's 'pretty cool' then the next wave of tablet clones will be ho-hum like these honeycomb ones. They would be better off to buy a lot of smart people at this stage to churn out new consumer inventions (not rehash something they're late on) that isn't called Windows Thingamajig.
 
Numan said:
MS is the new IBM; they are filthy rich, not losing money and nobody knows they are rich because they never hear anything about them that's cool.

From what I hear Office 365 and their cloud stuffs is awesome...during my work day. Anything business related is 'boring' to the masses as most news and things are all entertainment related anyway.

MS needs to kick lots of cash and effort into a hype machine...for something brand new. 'Windows' in the name is old and people want new things and then their new things rapidly updated because it seems as if there is excitement. Everybody sits and talks about the new iOS update, the big WoW patch, 'I won't get Crysis 2 unless they DX11 patch it', Chrome had yet another update, etc. I say something new because if they kept adding little features into say IE9 like Google does with Chrome, the feeling is that MS effed up and is bug fixing.

The Zune was the right idea but it was playing ipod catch up and horrible marketing as well as some mismanagement with what to do with the division. Unless they stick something new in a tablet that's 'pretty cool' then the next wave of tablet clones will be ho-hum like these honeycomb ones. They would be better off to buy a lot of smart people at this stage to churn out new consumer inventions (not rehash something they're late on) that isn't called Windows Thingamajig.
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Kinect, Windows Mobile 7, Windows 7 - I think Microsoft's doing fine with keeping in touch with the public of their new products. You don't see many Apple commercials on every products either - mostly just their iPods, iPhones and iPads. Like Apple, Microsoft just needs to parade one or two something with their brand name and everyone's looking into their store window at everything else.
 
Azhar said:
Kinect, Windows Mobile 7, Windows 7 - I think Microsoft's doing fine with keeping in touch with the public of their new products. You don't see many Apple commercials on every products either - mostly just their iPods, iPhones and iPads. Like Apple, Microsoft just needs to parade one or two something with their brand name and everyone's looking into their store window at everything else.
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Lots of people here at my office right now have no clue what a Kinect is, no clue that MS makes a phone UI/ecosystem and have heard of Windows 7 but are too scared to every venture to try it because all of their even less techy friends told them Vista was horrible. All of them know what an ipad/ipod/iphone are because it's all the rage with the kids and see the odd commercial.

We know about Kinect and other MS stuff because we're [H]. We also know about overclocking and wish we could do that with our office desktop (well I do!) but the vast majority know nothing unless they see a TV commercial or maybe a billboard/bus side. That's sort of what I meant with dropping the Windows name on everything because these people only think of their computer crashing when they hear the name.
 
Numan said:
Lots of people here at my office right now have no clue what a Kinect is, no clue that MS makes a phone UI/ecosystem and have heard of Windows 7 but are too scared to every venture to try it because all of their even less techy friends told them Vista was horrible. All of them know what an ipad/ipod/iphone are because it's all the rage with the kids and see the odd commercial.

We know about Kinect and other MS stuff because we're [H]. We also know about overclocking and wish we could do that with our office desktop (well I do!) but the vast majority know nothing unless they see a TV commercial or maybe a billboard/bus side. That's sort of what I meant with dropping the Windows name on everything because these people only think of their computer crashing when they hear the name.
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Luckily all those people are in one place and can be rounded up for re-integration easily. They sound dumb.

Personally, I thought the marketing campaign for Kinect to be pretty decent.
 
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