Going Hi-Tech To Catch Loud Cars

j-sta said:
I don't have a problem with it.
I get tired of the assholes with loudass vehicles that, for whatever reason, decide they need to hit 3000RPM to get 100ft to the stop sign outside where I live.
and bass.. ugh. While this doesn't bother me in a "commercial district," on the highway, or anywhere else outside neighborhoods/residential areas, this shit is annoying as hell when that shit wakes me up at 11pm on a Tuesday night.
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totally agree....loud ass fart cans and/or loud ass music are sooo annoying no matter where you are.
 
As everyone has said: a happy compromise would be illegal during night-time, legal any other time.
 
SKiTLz said:
My car is whisper quiet
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Then why are you throwing a tantrum because your rights are getting trampled if this doesn't affect you?

Something tells me you'd change your tune if someone was flying by your bedroom window at 2 a.m. and waking you up.
 
SKiTLz said:
Like I said, arguing an automotive enthusiasts perspective on a computer forum = useless. Loud cars are all rust bucket pieces of shit? Good god man. Step out from under your rock.

Pull your heads out of your asses and realize that not all loud vehicles are 19 year olds in fart canon civics. You're targeting ALL vehicles. You know those exotics you stop and stare at outside your local gym pretending you have a clue what you are talking about to your mates.
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most exotics are pretty tame in the sound department unless you WOT them. Almost all production vehicles are pretty tame all around. very few are annoyingly loud when just cruising or idling.
 
To the whiners: The law isn't there for you, the law is there to make revenue. :rolleyes:
To the enthusiasts: Won't be long before things like PhantomALERT start tracking these as well.
 
SKiTLz said:
Like I said, arguing an automotive enthusiasts perspective on a computer forum = useless. Loud cars are all rust bucket pieces of shit? Good god man. Step out from under your rock.

Pull your heads out of your asses and realize that not all loud vehicles are 19 year olds in fart canon civics. You're targeting ALL vehicles. You know those exotics you stop and stare at outside your local gym pretending you have a clue what you are talking about to your mates.
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It is perfectly possible to have a after market exhaust that makes a little more noise than stock exhausts without running into noise violations.

I had an aftermarket exhaust on my 2001 Saab 9-5 that - yes - was louder than stock, and had a throaty sporty sound to it, but no one inside a house along the roads I drove was ever going to be bothered by it.


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Its the morons trying to make it as loud as possible, beyond where there is any performance benefit (well, there really isn't any noticeable performance benefit from performance exhausts anyway) that are the problems

Stop trying to act like someone is trying to take a right away from you. You never had a right to offend people with as loud an exhaust as you wanted to begin with. Noise ordnances have been on the books for decades (even centuries in some places). They are just starting to actively enforce them, that's all.

Next I hope they start enforcing DOT rules against aftermarket HID headlights

Again though, the real problem here is not cars and trucks. I rarely run into one that I would consider offensive (though occasionally theres some douche in a pickup truck with flowmasters or glass packs.) Most of the time when there is a earth shattering noise enough to wake the dead in the middle of the night, its from some douchebag biker.
 
What this boils down to is control. I drove a heavily modified Subaru STi for year with the whole intake and exhaust system designed for maximum power. The car could be loud as hell if pushed. Key word, if. I drove that car because I loved to drive and I learned how to drive it too, including learning how to give it gas without turning it into an obnoxious monster. At the track or at autocross events it was loud as hell, but day to day I kept it quiet.

You love to drive, fine. However, simply remember to respect others around you as well. This is not happening because of whiners, it's happening because people simply forgot to respect each other and now everyone pays the price for it. If anything, blame the asshats that put in the effort to launch and corner properly, but forgot to learn the difference between the track and a neighborhood/downtown/public road space.
 
The purpose of this isn't to oppress those who have loud vehicles, it's to penalize those who are purposely exaggerating the noise of their ride. If you have a loud vehicle and get a ticket when you are just driving, then clearly they need to increase the dB level to avoid false positives.

I live in Denver on the corner of a somewhat major road and another used for access to a elem/middle school.

On the road with the school, the daily drivers are a pretty big mix of cars/bikes. Plenty of Subaru's cause CO loves them (just moved from FL where I rarely saw a Suby... guess AWD doesn't help much with no snow). There's a GTO that's blacked out from top to bottom with what I guess is an aftermarket exhaust. There's a Boulevard M109. There's an R8. There's commercial vehicles. I never hear any of the street traffic on this road. Never. My bedroom is a few bricks away from this street. My windows face this street, yet I never hear the traffic. Why? The people driving this either live here, or drop their kids off for school. You don't start shit in your own back yard.

The somewhat major road is a different story. People are ripping by all hours of the day. Any room at the front of the house hears the traffic pretty clearly. Thankfully our house is built such that our room is padded by a kitchen and living room from this noise. This is the prickstyle road. People honk at our intersection all hours, rip through on bikes with look at me exhausts, and of course there are the non-enthusiast and enthusiast cars rolling through. The people driving slow cars that think an aftermarket muffler makes them sound faster. The people driving fast cars that just want to goose it for a second. People take this road to get to work, to get to bars, or to go shopping. The people driving through here being prick jobs don't live here. They don't deal with the bullshit. They aren't in their own back yard.

All of them, bottom line, are inconveniencing EVERY household on this stretch of road for a simple pleasure that they would not indulge in were they in their own neighborhood. Whether they want people to look, want to honk at the dipshit that just cut them off, or just want the satisfaction of hearing their own car/bike during their ride; it makes no difference.

You have to appreciate what you have in life, you simply have to.
But you shouldn't do it at the expense of others. That's what makes someone a prick.
 
Bigbacon said:
most exotics are pretty tame in the sound department unless you WOT them. Almost all production vehicles are pretty tame all around. very few are annoyingly loud when just cruising or idling.
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^This.

It's when people start putting aftermarket parts on it starts getting obnoxious. And again, not all aftermarket parts are bad. Some are slightly louder and slightly more sporty sounding without waking the dead.
 
Blown 89 said:
Then why are you throwing a tantrum because your rights are getting trampled if this doesn't affect you?

Something tells me you'd change your tune if someone was flying by your bedroom window at 2 a.m. and waking you up.
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I live downtown. Unlike most of the residents who CHOSE to live downtown then bitch about every pin drop, I accept it. It was my choice to live here, I know it comes with noise. So no I wouldn't. Would I be pissed if I got woken up? Maybe. But you win some you lose some. That's what life is. Where did everyone get this sense of worth that they must have zero discomfort in their life and if there is something it can be banned or removed?

Noone is throwing a tantrum. I'm making valid arguments. Something you've yet to do other then claim you're an enthusiast.

Originally Posted by Bigbacon
most exotics are pretty tame in the sound department unless you WOT them. Almost all production vehicles are pretty tame all around. very few are annoyingly loud when just cruising or idling.
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As I said, they brough in dBa testing in my area for bikes. One of our local car guys happens to be an officer so he borrowed some of the equipment. We tested a 560 Gallardo, F430, 2 Ford GT's (one stock, one not), and a DB-S along with some less exotic vehicles. EVERY one of them failed the approved dB reading.

Unlike half of you, I have first hand experience and facts to back up my arguments. I'm not just looking to keep my rusted 89 Tercel with 4" exhaust on the road ticket free.


 
Blown 89 said:
What about people that work at night and sleep during the day? Are they S.O.L.?
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yes they are. simply because they're not even close to a majority. I've worked third shift and I never complained about everyone else being awake and moving in my house during the day while I was sleeping. It's just something I understood that came along with working 3rd shift.
 
Blown 89 said:
What about people that work at night and sleep during the day? Are they S.O.L.?
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Maybe we should ban traffic in your area? Would that make you happy? Do you like the colour red? If not we can ban it for you.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037300106 said:
It is perfectly possible to have a after market exhaust that makes a little more noise than stock exhausts without running into noise violations.

I had an aftermarket exhaust on my 2001 Saab 9-5 that - yes - was louder than stock, and had a throaty sporty sound to it, but no one inside a house along the roads I drove was ever going to be bothered by it.


autoblog01 by mattlach, on Flickr

Its the morons trying to make it as loud as possible, beyond where there is any performance benefit (well, there really isn't any noticeable performance benefit from performance exhausts anyway) that are the problems

Stop trying to act like someone is trying to take a right away from you. You never had a right to offend people with as loud an exhaust as you wanted to begin with. Noise ordnances have been on the books for decades (even centuries in some places). They are just starting to actively enforce them, that's all.

Next I hope they start enforcing DOT rules against aftermarket HID headlights

Again though, the real problem here is not cars and trucks. I rarely run into one that I would consider offensive (though occasionally theres some douche in a pickup truck with flowmasters or glass packs.) Most of the time when there is a earth shattering noise enough to wake the dead in the middle of the night, its from some douchebag biker.
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Geezs. Pay attention. This doesn't just effect the "my car must be as loud as possible crowd". I agree with you, they deserve a ticket. This effects the perfromance crowd trying to keep it at a reasonable level while getting the performance they are looking for too. WE HAVE THIS ALREADY in my area, albeit not for all vehicles. The limit they set is so ridicilously low that half the stock vehicles on the road are failing.

Why is this so hard to comprehend? Everyone has it in their mind this only effects top guel dragsters or something.
 
The ~80 dB threshold is too low. But the 100+ dB that the motorcyclist did deserves a ticket.
 
lukekeith said:
America has become a culture of complaining and whining. If anything in our perfect little world offends us or causes us any discomfort, our solution is to remove it.. sue the person responsible, etc.
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You bet your ass. If someone repeatedly wakes me up in the night when I have to work the next day, you can bet your ass that if the law doesn't take care of it, I'll take it into my own hands.

I used to fantasize about spanning a metal wire across the road where I used to live to get back at the bikers with loud ass exhausts going up and down the street all night. I likely never would have done something like this, due to its potential to actually kill someone, but some less-than-lethal sabotage may not have been out of the question.

A friend of mine used to have an apartment in the Mission hill area of Boston. Some kid would always park his neon green souped up Lancer down on the street below his bedroom window. When I first noticed it, It looked like some sort of Fast&Furious show car. The owner probably had a lot of money in that thing. The car was equipped with one of those ultra sensitive and ultra loud alarm systems, which would go off every time a bus drove by.

Now I'm pretty sure my friend didn't get involved (he's not the type to do stuff like that), but that car was vandalized daily for the entire time he lived there. More keymarks, holes straight through the metal, windows bashed in, flat tires than you could possibly imagine. I like to think that the community as a whole just got fed up and exacted their revenge.

I guess the moral of this story is, legal or not, enforced or not, ticketed or not, if you like your car, you are probably better off not offending the people around you, or its probably not going to stay nice for very long :p
 
PS.. With all my spelling mistakes, why can you not edit posts on this forum? Odd.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037300158 said:
You bet your ass. If someone repeatedly wakes me up in the night when I have to work the next day, you can bet your ass that if the law doesn't take care of it, I'll take it into my own hands.

I used to fantasize about spanning a metal wire across the road where I used to live to get back at the bikers with loud ass exhausts going up and down the street all night. I likely never would have done something like this, due to its potential to actually kill someone, but some less-than-lethal sabotage may not have been out of the question.

A friend of mine used to have an apartment in the Mission hill area of Boston. Some kid would always park his neon green souped up Lancer down on the street below his bedroom window. When I first noticed it, It looked like some sort of Fast&Furious show car. The owner probably had a lot of money in that thing. The car was equipped with one of those ultra sensitive and ultra loud alarm systems, which would go off every time a bus drove by.

Now I'm pretty sure my friend didn't get involved (he's not the type to do stuff like that), but that car was vandalized daily for the entire time he lived there. More keymarks, holes straight through the metal, windows bashed in, flat tires than you could possibly imagine. I like to think that the community as a whole just got fed up and exacted their revenge.

I guess the moral of this story is, legal or not, enforced or not, ticketed or not, if you like your car, you are probably better off not offending the people around you, or its probably not going to stay nice for very long :p
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Any "man" that would damage another man's car as a solution, just lost the title of a man in my opinion. Take me to court, sleep with my woman, punch me in the face, but vandalizing my property? You think that is acceptable?

I can't stand ricers. They give the scene a bad image. But I know what it is like to sink a lot of coin and effort into a vehicle and I would never touch someones car. That is a 100% woman move.
 
SKiTLz said:
Any "man" that would damage another man's car as a solution, just lost the title of a man in my opinion. Take me to court, sleep with my woman, punch me in the face, but vandalizing my property? You think that is acceptable?

I can't stand ricers. They give the scene a bad image. But I know what it is like to sink a lot of coin and effort into a vehicle and I would never touch someones car. That is a 100% woman move.
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keep your friends close, your enemies closer.

I would gladly go to war with any man who I caught fucking up my car.
 
I might be able to support this, as long as the allowed sound levels are directly proportional to the number of cylinders in the engine. :D
 
beowulf7 said:
The ~80 dB threshold is too low. But the 100+ dB that the motorcyclist did deserves a ticket.
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I can't comment here. I don't have anything to measure sound levels with. If they are setting the levels too low, then maybe they need to be revised. On the flipside even if a car with OE exhaust is WOT:ed it can make a significant amount of noise. You just don't do that late at night in areas where people are sleeping without making enemies :p

Also sound decays rather significantly with distance ( 1/(D^2) if memory serves ). 80db is probably not appropriate as measured right next to the tailpipe, but who has their ears in peoples tailpipes?

From across the road or down the street, 80db may be more appropriate.

These things would have to be set up or operated in a way that they take the distance to the vehicle into account (maybe with a laser range finder?)
 
Zarathustra[H];1037300203 said:
On the flipside even if a car with OE exhaust is WOT:ed it can make a significant amount of noise. You just don't do that late at night in areas where people are sleeping without making enemies :p
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Come to think of it, noone has any business going to WOT in a residential area at any time of day.
 
KVW said:
keep your friends close, your enemies closer.

I would gladly go to war with any man who I caught fucking up my car.
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Some might say its similarly bad (or worse) to disrupt a working mans sleep.

I'm not saying I personally would vandalize someones car, I was more talking about confronting someone. (one night while a wee bit intoxicated a bunch of my friends and I almost started a fight with a bunch of bikers over tailpipe noise, until talked out of it by the only girl in the group). As a someone who appreciates my car myself, I would be really pissed off if my car were vandalized.

The truth - however - remains that there are a lot of passive aggressive people in the world, and many of them - it appears - seem to think that anyone who wakes them up with loud noise have it coming.

They don't see vandalizing someones car as weak or passive aggressive. They see it as justice, and teaching an asshole a lesson.

Assholes with no regard for other people seem to get what they deserve one way or another eventually. It's sort of like the asshole at the office. Sooner or latter he's going to piss off the wrong person, and not have a job the next day.

Call it karma if you will.... Or better yet, in this case we can call it CARma :p
 
Zarathustra[H];1037300246 said:
Some might say its similarly bad (or worse) to disrupt a working mans sleep.

I'm not saying I personally would vandalize someones car, I was more talking about confronting someone. (one night while a wee bit intoxicated a bunch of my friends and I almost started a fight with a bunch of bikers over tailpipe noise, until talked out of it by the only girl in the group). As a someone who appreciates my car myself, I would be really pissed off if my car were vandalized.

The truth - however - remains that there are a lot of passive aggressive people in the world, and many of them - it appears - seem to think that anyone who wakes them up with loud noise have it coming.

They don't see vandalizing someones car as weak or passive aggressive. They see it as justice, and teaching an asshole a lesson.

Assholes with no regard for other people seem to get what they deserve one way or another eventually. It's sort of like the asshole at the office. Sooner or latter he's going to piss off the wrong person, and not have a job the next day.

Call it karma if you will.... Or better yet, in this case we can call it CARma :p
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I don't disagree those people exist. Doesn't mean I agree with them in the slightest. Glad to hear you're not one of them though.

I don't see how anyone can consider themself a man when their solution to losing 15min sleep is vandalizing someones car? That just says "little bitch" all over it.
 
Electric Exhaust cutouts FTW? My car runs forced induction and is quietish at idle and stays about the same until 3000rpm, it gets loud after that. If i ever have to go above 3 grand in a residential i would want a ticket.

live outside of the city out in the country as many of you would say, But all the Diesels with straight pipes out here are far louder than the cars you guys are complaining about.

I once, When i was younger, Spent a summer at my uncles house and learned how to be a deep sleeper, As he lived under the reciving end of hobby airport. No car could wake me now.
 
SKiTLz said:
Geezs. Pay attention. This doesn't just effect the "my car must be as loud as possible crowd". I agree with you, they deserve a ticket. This effects the perfromance crowd trying to keep it at a reasonable level while getting the performance they are looking for too. WE HAVE THIS ALREADY in my area, albeit not for all vehicles. The limit they set is so ridicilously low that half the stock vehicles on the road are failing.

Why is this so hard to comprehend? Everyone has it in their mind this only effects top guel dragsters or something.
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Why are you still arguing that way, when clearly your only issue is at what the limit is set at. Don't complain about hearing a pin drop and make such wide ranging attacks.

If the city ordinance says 75db, lets all go and argue to get it changed. If the city ordinance says ticket anyone who goes over 100db from 20ft away from 10 pm to 8 am, then lets help them enforce it.
 
mannyman said:
Electric Exhaust cutouts FTW? My car runs forced induction and is quietish at idle and stays about the same until 3000rpm, it gets loud after that. If i ever have to go above 3 grand in a residential i would want a ticket.

live outside of the city out in the country as many of you would say, But all the Diesels with straight pipes out here are far louder than the cars you guys are complaining about.

I once, When i was younger, Spent a summer at my uncles house and learned how to be a deep sleeper, As he lived under the reciving end of hobby airport. No car could wake me now.
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I've tried cutouts a few times. Unfortunately I've never found ones that didn't start leaking after a few thousand Km.
 
This law has nothing to do with noise problems, it has every thing to do with towns overspending their budget, then trying to find extra areas of revenue. They think that no one will object to ticketing loud vehicles, and not many will because most people dont have loud cars or bikes so they dont care. so they push it through and rake in the profits.

Also I am screwed if this happens since I am trying to build up my 350z to put a Greddy TT on. (eventually) But I was going to start with a HKS high power exhaust and test pipes. But if I dont go FOT it probably would still pass or at leased I hope so.
 
bh192012 said:
Why are you still arguing that way, when clearly your only issue is at what the limit is set at. Don't complain about hearing a pin drop and make such wide ranging attacks.

If the city ordinance says 75db, lets all go and argue to get it changed. If the city ordinance says ticket anyone who goes over 100db from 20ft away from 10 pm to 8 am, then lets help them enforce it.
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Valid Point. I was trying to address multiple attitude from different posts. The mentality that all loud vehicles are rust bucket pieces of sh*t.
 
SKiTLz said:
I don't disagree those people exist. Doesn't mean I agree with them in the slightest. Glad to hear you're not one of them though.

I don't see how anyone can consider themself a man when their solution to losing 15min sleep is vandalizing someones car? That just says "little bitch" all over it.
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He's obviously not talking about 15 min of sleep once. Sorry, but if you screw with me night after night, multiple times a night, I could see where someone might get cranky. Besides, "You don't like something? Too bad. Everyone has dislikes."
 
bh192012 said:
He's obviously not talking about 15 min of sleep once. Sorry, but if you screw with me night after night, multiple times a night, I could see where someone might get cranky. Besides, "You don't like something? Too bad. Everyone has dislikes."
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Worst analogy/quote ever. How is not liking something the same as damaging someones possession because you're too much of a gutless wonder to do something about it like a real man?

You seem like the kind of person that would key another car.
 
if some one was bothering me i would stop them as they where driving by and ask them to stop then throw a brick at repeat offenders.
 
I had the pleasure of hearing the new BOSS mustang's custom exhaust, and while idle I have to say impressive the thing didn't get too loud at full throttle, loud but not as loud as I expected.

I wonder how this ordenance will effect the new muscle cars coming out.
 
I live by a highway in a small town. Every weekend Harleys cruise up and down it. Sorta yearly they have 'The Snohomish Motorcycle show" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pHxla4R_ds That draws up to 22,000 people. I call zombie bull***t on this being used here. That sound is my warning to look out the window and go 'oooooo! cool!'
 
In a town called Ahoskie, NC there is a noise ordinance law that if they can hear your radio as you ride by you will get a $100 ticket. I got a warning for a factory radio in a Ford Taurus with the radio at 3/4. I was playing U2's "Where the Streets Have No Name".

This would be perfect for them I suppose.
 
SKiTLz said:
I'm making valid arguments. Something you've yet to do other then claim you're an enthusiast.
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You're doing nothing of the sort which is why you aren't getting it back.

SKiTLz said:
Maybe we should ban traffic in your area? Would that make you happy? Do you like the colour red? If not we can ban it for you.
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lukekeith said:
I have two loud cars, a 500hp GTO with some mods, and a 1000hp Z06 with some mods, and they both have mufflers, but they are very loud when I step on the gas. However, when just cruising they aren't that loud.... which is more or less the case with every loud car. If you are jogging down a 45mph road and somebody goes by and the volume is too much to bear, it's likely they are speeding or stepping on the gas.

Either way, this shouldn't be an issue. I agree with the posters above, America has become a culture of complaining and whining. If anything in our perfect little world offends us or causes us any discomfort, our solution is to remove it.. sue the person responsible, etc.
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I don't like when girls don't fuck on the first date, I'm sure lots of other guys are the same. We should ticket those girls. I don't like it when I get served food at a restaurant and the waitress/weighter has had ass-clown customers so they are rude to you. We should ticket them too. I also don't like it when I get served food that's cold, or not on par with what I expected. I should be able to ticket them too. Lets just invent tickets for everything possible in this entire universe. I want to be able to ticket the sun when it's too hot outside. I want to be able to ticket the earth when shit doesn't go my way. I want to be able to ticket that dude/girl that looked at me wrong.

Lol...people these days. :D
 
I had straight pipes to a glasspack dumped (from the previous owner) on my truck. I tried to be courteous to neighbors and leave as quietly as I could; however it did sound like a cigarette boat idling. I got a new exhaust and it is much quieter now. No matter what, someone is always going to be upset about something; just try to be as polite/courteous as possible.
 
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