HP ZR24w

Decko87 said:
So I've been trying to decide on a new monitor, fortunately my school ordered a whole bunch of these monitors very recently to help me aid my decision. I hadn't really looked at the monitor before, and I've been pretty comfortable with the school's 24 inch ACDs, but I've never liked that they don't have a matte finish.

So, I sat down infront of one of these monitors, and looked through a series of different graphics(vector and rasters in photoshop and illustrator), movies, even played a game on it for a while. The color reproduction as absolutely amazing, and the monitor is beautiful, but the thing I couldn't entirely get past was the sort of coarse or heavy finish the matte screen has, it seems to give the screen this strange effect. I'm not really sure what to call it because I don't know too much about monitors. Are all IPS monitors with a matte finish like this? I was considering this monitor the the Dell U2410, but now I absolutely have to find a way to look at the dell as well. Are there any other IPS monitors that are 24 inch I should considering, or are all of the screen finishes the same?
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Welcome to the world of AG coating. I don't know why the hell they actually do this, unless there are huge glare problems in most offices where IPS monitors are likely to be used.
 
Thanks for the information everyone, I was using one again at school the other night and I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick one up. Once it got a little darker outside I really started to love this thing, and the coating wasn't as noticeable. Designing on it is a dream, can't wait to try some Starcraft on it as well!
 
has someone had a chance to compare this monitor to the samsung 2333t?
is the AG coating just as bad as the dell IPS screens?
does it make the text look blurry or slavish?

i am not a gamer but would love this monitor for its color range and 1920x1200.
 
Just got my monitor, I'm looking at it right now!!! I absolutely love it, but I think it could use some calibration. Is there any recommended calibrator I should use? I've never really calibrated a monitor before so any additional information would be hugely helpful. Thanks, LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this monitor!! This is also I've had 1920x1200 at home, before I was on a Samsung 226bw, so I'm sure you can imagine what a difference this has made.
 
Walker said:
+ viewing angles
+ panel uniformity
+ decent colors our of the box
+ good responsiveness and low input lag
+ build quality

- black depth
- typical IPS glow
- 1080p scaling issue with non-PC usage
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viewing angles: compared to TN & PVA yes. But compared to H IPS not that great & to good ole CRT better not comment . Its something that cannot be conveyed just by posting a still picture. its when moving in front of the screen do you realize that luminosity & gamma changes - especially on the vertical axis - for me this is irritating.

Black levels:
its not that it will not go low enough, but that it groups shadow tones into one.
I have it sitting next to the almost half priced U2311 and the Dell has better shadow detail, apart from lower black level (both calibrated).
The latter actually saved me on some HD video compositing where it showed gradiations on the low end that the HP simply missed.

Though the Dell has the reddish thing on the sides more pronounced.
As for ergonomics, both are good, Dell is much more stylish, and has asuperior stand base than HP's awkward hollow rectangle. The HP is thicker, more industrial and gives a sturdier in long term use impression, at least this is my highly subjective view.
 
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drtc said:
viewing angles: compared to TN & PVA yes. But compared to H IPS not that great & to good ole CRT better not comment . Its something that cannot be conveyed just by posting a still picture. its when moving in front of the screen do you realize that luminosity & gamma changes - especially on the vertical axis - for me this is irritating.

Black levels:
its not that it will not go low enough, but that it groups shadow tones into one.
I have it sitting next to the almost half priced U2311 and the Dell has better shadow detail, apart from lower black level (both calibrated).
The latter actually saved me on some HD video compositing where it showed gradiations on the low end that the HP simply missed.

Though the Dell has the reddish thing on the sides more pronounced.
As for ergonomics, both are good, Dell is much more stylish, and has asuperior stand base than HP's awkward hollow rectangle. The HP is thicker, more industrial and gives a sturdier in long term use impression, at least this is my highly subjective view.
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could you compare the AG coating on the two?
 
CostCentral.com has 309 of these in stock (as of March 5th) for 401.75 + free shipping.

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/HP_ZR24w/VM633A8ABA/11108332/

They are a reputable shop with a decent price. I ordered mine on a Sunday, got the email conformation of delivery on Monday to arrive on a Friday. Monitor actually arrived on a Thursday.

points of interest....

- ZERO dead or stuck pixels or sub-pixels. Your mileage may vary. But as this is a "professional class" monitor ANY stuck (always on) pixels or sub-pixels equals automatically accepted RMA to HP (if you so choose). You don't have to buy directly from HP for warranty to apply.
- This baby is BRIGHT AS HELL. Set brightness down to 10.
- 1079 backlight hours and brightness has come down a touch but I still have brightness set at 10.
- Normal amount of IPS glow. Any amount of glow is not noticeable after a week or two (assuming your monitor isn't defective).
- The brightness when I first got this monitor was "bugging" my eyes out and I was worried that something was wrong with the monitor. But I got used to it fine. Also I was coming from a 7 year old refurb 19" crt that was dim as hell, so that was probably part of my problem.
-AG coating doesn't bother me at all really. But then again, no AG coating would have been better.

Buy this monitor and you will be happy.
 
Yeah the brightness is really, really, intense, I had to turn mine WAY down.
 
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kindasmart said:
- ZERO dead or stuck pixels or sub-pixels. Your mileage may vary. But as this is a "professional class" monitor ANY stuck (always on) pixels or sub-pixels equals automatically accepted RMA to HP (if you so choose). You don't have to buy directly from HP for warranty to apply.
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Is that true? I really love dell's customer service. They are always amazing to me if there is any problem at all. One reason I'm not sure about HP is the dead pixel policy but I thought it was like 3-5+ pixels or something?
 
blaze_itt said:
Is that true? I really love dell's customer service. They are always amazing to me if there is any problem at all. One reason I'm not sure about HP is the dead pixel policy but I thought it was like 3-5+ pixels or something?
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i have the same concern. dell biz support is great. i dont know about HP.
 
xxtraloud said:
i have the same concern. dell biz support is great. i dont know about HP.
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HP's support was pretty good. I had a issue with the VGA input flickering on one of my HP ZR24ws and HP sent out a DHL driver with a replacement panel the next day. Even gave me time to test the new panel before taking the old one back.
 
xxtraloud said:
could you compare the AG coating on the two?
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The Dell seems to be a tad grainier than HP's.
Personally AG coating doesn't bother me so much.
Yes on white bgs it shows more, but I usually work with dark UI's.
 
drtc said:
The Dell seems to be a tad grainier than HP's.
Personally AG coating doesn't bother me so much.
Yes on white bgs it shows more, but I usually work with dark UI's.
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thanks. any other opinions on the AG coating compared to the dell?
 
FWIW I recently read an article on TFT central with the "true" bit depth of these panels and from what it appears the HP has a true 8bit panel whereas the 2311 a 6-bit+A-FRC.
 
drtc said:
FWIW I recently read an article on TFT central with the "true" bit depth of these panels and from what it appears the HP has a true 8bit panel whereas the 2311 a 6-bit+A-FRC.
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HP only advertises 16.7 million color capable? Im confused now because 8bit is alot more than 16 million colors.

Is HP just understating what these can do>?
 
A true 8 bit display will produce 16.777.216 colors (2^8)^3. 6 bit displays emulate this by making use of FRC.
 
wagoo said:
Hmm.. how do you work that out? 8-bit (256 values) per R, G, B channel. 256^3 = 16777216
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Because I didnt google for an answer like some of these ultra technical answers. I just asked a question. Thanks answered!


Is that 16.7 mil better than the 16.7mil that my TN claims to display. If its all math then wouldnt it be the same? And for the 10 bit panels are they really worth the extra money. I dont think the human eye can even see that many colors. However on my plasma TV the colors are so much better than an LCD tv so would you be able to tell kind of like that as an example?
 
Your TN has a 6 bit panel that emulates 8 bit colors by software processes(a form of dithering), and can't quite display those 16.7 million colors, if it wouldn't use dithering it could only display 262.144 colors.

The reason why your plasma looks more vivid is probably because it sports a wider gamut than most consumer screens, also, keep in mind that most display aren't calibrated properly and most manufacturer calibrate them in such a way as to make the colors "pop up" and catch a potential buyer's eye.
 
Does anyone know if there is a way to keep the USB hub on the monitor powered on even when I shut off the monitor? The USB hub stays powered doing auto monitor shutoff but not when I manually power off the monitor.
 
Howie said:
Does anyone know if there is a way to keep the USB hub on the monitor powered on even when I shut off the monitor? The USB hub stays powered doing auto monitor shutoff but not when I manually power off the monitor.
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Well one way would be to make the monitor sleep through the menu, but that doesn't really solve the real problem. I have also been a victim of this flaw.
 
I was planning to get this but Im confused,Hp mention is an S-IPS,others mention is an H2-IPS ,But then TFT Central mention is an e-IPS.I really think is an e-IPS and for the price is expensive..
 
It's H2-IPS, that improves upon light transmission and response time. Basically the same as e-IPS, cheaper to manufacture, and without a polarizing filter (white bloom). IPS gets renamed every generation or so dependent on the manufacturer. The wiki page hasn't been updated yet; but you can see this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

You can also take into account that this panel is 8-bit whereas cheaper e-IPS tech uses Hi-FRC dithering. You would only notice this in dark and especially brown shades and a increase in banding - but for me it was important for photo & illustration work. Conversely more expensive IPS panels can use 10-bit color internally and support true wide gamut color.
 
Thanks 4 the head up law.I c u have one,how is 4 photo editing and calibration?I guess the black depth is poor but then again the u2410 have more problems..
 
Is black depth really that bad? Compare the black depth of the ZR24W with the U2410, both uncalibrated. Which is better?
 
prad.de has translated their in depth review on this monitor.
Don't expect most ips monitors to have plasma like blacks.
its the lcd back-light technology that prevents this.
the e-ips nec 231 & dell u2311 both have great black levels for ips standards.
 
another-user said:
i dont think the black depth is that bad on the zr24w. its not pitch black, but its by no means dark grey.
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I've got a ZR24W right next to a U2408. Perhaps it's my fault for having them next to each other, but the blacks on the ZR24W aren't anywhere near as good. (Although the 2408 is a VA panel, so that's only to be expected) Maybe I should borrow my friends U2311 and line them all up and take some photos.

That said, I've still got a slight preference to the ZR24W over the U2408 as the super saturated color really get to me. And the U2408 is a rev A00 :/
 
Spandy87 said:
Is black depth really that bad? Compare the black depth of the ZR24W with the U2410, both uncalibrated. Which is better?
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I suppose it depends on what you're comparing it to. Blacks look far worse on my ZR24w than on my old 2405FPW or my LP2465s (side by side). In the grand scheme of things, it isn't all that bad though.
 
K so from what I understand, good black depth is possible on the ZR24W, but only with a colorimeter. How good of a colorimeter do I need to adequately calibrate this monitor?

I currently have the U2711, and the blacks are fine, its just that for gaming the screen tearing is awful @ 2560x1440. I tried the U2410, and it was fine for that, and the blacks weren't as good but still not bad. Thinking about returning my U2711 and grabbing the ZR24W and a colorimeter.
 
To just get ZR24 deepest blacks does not require a colorimeter.
To get most out of the monitor as far as Accurate color reproduction, does require one, as with most monitors.
For me, since LCDs have inherent tech shortcomings, a decent IPS with a midrange colorimeter is the way to go fo most users. As Sailor Moon has suggested the Quato iColor bundle will give good results.
AFAIK the u2711 has marginally worse black point than the ZR24 but this is purely academical and has no real world use. And certainly does not make the former a worse monitor. On the contrary it has a better panel and once calibrated can give superior results.
 
the 2475 has a better panel than the ZR24W. And better viewing angles.Working on a project we were able to see shadow details on both 2475 but also the 6bit+AFRC Dell U2311 that the ZR24W would miss. All monitors calibrated.
 
of course, but for those who don't have a colorimeter and only want sRGB then the ZR24W is way better.
 
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