Yeah, I guess the US vs. worldwide and the platforms would make the difference, but I didn't think it'd be that sizable, at least worldwide vs. US. I wonder when XP will be less than 10% of the market (worldwide and US). I'm guessing not for a while.
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XP Finally Loses the OS Crown
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What?
Windows 7 runs on almost anything. I haven't installed it on a single computer, even old notebooks with Celerons with less than a gigabyte of ram, on which it ran worse than XP. It's always a lot better.
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I don't get the XP hate either. It was a massive improvement from the 9x days. For the first time joe consumer was getting a relatively stable OS. It has stood the test of time. While it is time to move on, you can't diminish the benefit the computing field got from XP.
Now they just need to add the highly useful and very basic features from the XP interface that weren't carried over to Win 7...
Which features were those? I've not noticed anything really missing...
Well, the most infuriating lapse that I have come across is this one:
Try and find that in Win 7, it simply does not exist, for some baffling reason. This is something you take for granted when it is there, something I used countless times per day. Do you know what Microsoft's official "solution" to this missing feature is? Select all of the files, right-click and go to properties... surely some kind of sick joke?
They have also added 12476294786129746123 different methods of navigating through the file system, yet REMOVED the most basic of these, the "up directory" button....
I can go on like this for a while, but I will spare you.
The up button is a loss. However we still have the "click and see size" heck we have "click and see all properties" (unless I missed what your talking about being a lost feature... which is quite possible)
Not to mention hover and see size, which I accidentally also demonstrated...
Not to mention hover and see size, which I accidentally also demonstrated...
oh, ok, sorry, I didn't realize what you were going for. (and come to think of it, I did use that a lot back in the floppy era to make sure everything would fit...)
This was a substantial perf cost in some scenarios. Browsing network shares in XP could be a horror story sometimes if there were a lot of files.
I've tried it.
1. It doesn't support CD's
2. The docs on it are so bad I could not figure out how to copy cd's to a virtual disk so they would run.
I ended up uninstalling it for now.....when I get some free time, I'm going to try it again, and write everything down in clear english.....then sell the resulting guile for $25 a pop.
I predict it will sell like hotcakes....care to join me?
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One thing that i wonder is how many of those win 7 installations are really windows xp downgrades?
When you buy a corporate laptop or pc you usually have the option of getting a xp downgrade, and with that you are still buying win7 and you get a win7 key, so i guess it would be counted as another win7 machine even though it will be shipped with win xp.
Many of my corporate clients are still on xp and most have no plans to change anytime soon.
Also many of my clients still use 32bit even on windows 7 since they have some very expensive periferals which will not run on a 64bit OS. Which is a shame since all my systems always have 4+GB of memory, and thus they end up with only ~3.x GB usable, which is kind of a waste.
Basically corporate environments are incredibly slow to change.
When you buy a corporate laptop or pc you usually have the option of getting a xp downgrade, and with that you are still buying win7 and you get a win7 key, so i guess it would be counted as another win7 machine even though it will be shipped with win xp.
Many of my corporate clients are still on xp and most have no plans to change anytime soon.
Also many of my clients still use 32bit even on windows 7 since they have some very expensive periferals which will not run on a 64bit OS. Which is a shame since all my systems always have 4+GB of memory, and thus they end up with only ~3.x GB usable, which is kind of a waste.
Basically corporate environments are incredibly slow to change.
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I've tried it.
1. It doesn't support CD's
2. The docs on it are so bad I could not figure out how to copy cd's to a virtual disk so they would run.
I ended up uninstalling it for now.....when I get some free time, I'm going to try it again, and write everything down in clear english.....then sell the resulting guile for $25 a pop.
I predict it will sell like hotcakes....care to join me?
DOSBox certainly does support CD's...it will even read an ISO image. Give you an example, I wanted to play Phantasmagoria which my parents wouldn't let me when it was new. So I bought a unopened copy on Ebay and ripped all 7 or 8 CD's to ISO images. Pointed the DOSBox config to those images as needed and boom, played Phantasmagoria on Windows 7 64-bit.
Dude, I'm not talking about bugs....just the half baked 'features' they put in it.
Take for example aero glass....a big selling point of the OS IIRC....but never ran for most people (for some reason, it didn't support software written for XP or older operating systems...so Vista would turn it off for good when it ran into older software).
Fast forward to Windows 7...aero glass is back...except now it works for virtually all software...and with the ones it doesn't it turns it off temporarily then turns it back on later when that piece of software is closed.
Get the picture now? Vista was rushed to market and half baked...Windows 7 is the real deal, and what Vista should have been had MS not rushed it to market 3 years early.
Here's my challenge to you: Back up your hard drive, buy a copy of Windows 7, and upgrade. If you don't like it, you can put the old OS back in from the backup, and I'll buy your copy of Windows 7 from you....have we got a deal?
Ok, so maybe they finally got that working.....what about the rest of it?
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I think most computer users today, don't care at all that they run win 7, vista or XP, yesterday when I was in the mall I even seen someone was using windows 98 there. Most of them are people who read email, browse web, working on the computer within their needs, when they are done they turn off the thing and will go to do their stuff. I really don't see a reason why everyone should upgrade to W7 and buying new PC, when they will be doing same tasks completely same way as they are doing now. Also the most real reason why XP is still most used OS(or now on second place, but I still think it's most used) is the expansion of the PC market in early 2000s and dropping prices of either hardware and software. This includes corporate computers, especially those are still operating 10 to 4 years.
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or simply dont need to?
So I guess the recent drop into 5th place among PC manufacturers means Apple is tearing up Microsoft now?
Apple's strength is due to basically all but abandoning the PC market for more lucrative markets they could actually dominate....like music.
You can delude yourself into thinking that because Apple stock is doing well, that MS must be dying....unfortunately, that isn't the case, as both are doing well...just in different markets. And the only thing you'll be mourning 5 years from now is the eventual death of the Macintosh when Apple finally milks that cow dry and kills it....as you're posting away on your shiny new Ipad7.
I agree with you 100%! Thank you, so I'm not the only who was pissed off at MS for getting rid of that in Vista (and now 7) from XP. I wind up selecting the folder and doing the right click/properties thing often, but it's so annoying that in XP, that data was always visible. Ditto for the recycle bin. In XP, you can see the aggregate data, but in Vista and 7, you can't.Well, the most infuriating lapse that I have come across is this one:
...
Try and find that in Win 7, it simply does not exist, for some baffling reason. This is something you take for granted when it is there, something I used countless times per day. Do you know what Microsoft's official "solution" to this missing feature is? Select all of the files, right-click and go to properties... surely some kind of sick joke?
They have also added 12476294786129746123 different methods of navigating through the file system, yet REMOVED the most basic of these, the "up directory" button....
I can go on like this for a while, but I will spare you.
I wonder if MS will bring it back in Win 8. I don't know why they got rid of it. I can't imagine them addressing "code bloat" by getting rid of that.
Well, the most infuriating lapse that I have come across is this one:
Try and find that in Win 7, it simply does not exist, for some baffling reason. This is something you take for granted when it is there, something I used countless times per day. Do you know what Microsoft's official "solution" to this missing feature is? Select all of the files, right-click and go to properties... surely some kind of sick joke?
They have also added 12476294786129746123 different methods of navigating through the file system, yet REMOVED the most basic of these, the "up directory" button....
I can go on like this for a while, but I will spare you.
Funny, I never even noticed that in XP, as I've always used the 'back' button in the upper left hand corner....which is still there.
Maybe it's time for you to change with the times?
On the address bar, click the directory before the directory you are in, to go up a directory. You can click 2 directories or 3 if you wanted to.
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Its just the US. Show worldwide and OSX is a joke.
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How the hell does the up botton missing even matter when you have the directory structure RIGHT THERE?
The up button took you to the parent directory now the parent directory is SHOWN. Click it, no need for a redundant button.
The up button took you to the parent directory now the parent directory is SHOWN. Click it, no need for a redundant button.
Open up "Documents" and look in the URL bar: > Libraries > Documents
it does NOT say C:\ users \ username \ Documents
There are quite a few instances of this, but overall you are right.
Ummm...mine does. Course, mine doesn't have a "Documents" on the desktop. It's a folder with my username. When I open that, it gives me, .android, appdata, contacts, desktop, downloads, favorites, links, my documents, my music, my pictures, my videos, saved games, searches, and tracing.
When I go into My documents, it gives me c:\users\username\documents
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Then you modified something because by default in your user folder it will not show that.
I find the breadcrumb method tedious, in XP I was always keenly aware of how many levels deep I was and could very quickly navigate based on this. Another annoying byproduct of this is that you essentially have to use the dropdown in the breadcrumb to switch between "Computer", "Network", etc. There is no - for the lack of a better word - "root" dir that contains My Computer, Network, Control Panel, etc.
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I'm curious what makes up the "Other" category on the chart, if all linux distros are in the linux category, what makes up a larger percentage than that besides everything else listed?
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Considering its based on sales its probably paid unix/linux workstations.
Realistically Linux is probably sitting about where OSX is (Probably higher if you go worldwide) but since its free theres no reliable way to track it.
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Considering this is a desktop OS market share all of those combined dont add up to a fraction of the market share dsktop linux has.
You do know half of what you listed is dead right?
Whens the last time you looked at solaris and opensolaris?
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WOW! Really?? XP was and still is an AWESOME OS, that's why it lasted for 10yrs, and will last even longer.
I have most of my machines upgraded to Windows 7 now, but I still keep a few XP machines around. To each his own, I guess.
Long live the king.
Just cause it's not longer supported, doesn't mean it's no longer used. If that were the case, XP shouldn't be on the list, since it's dead.
About six months ago, when I had to admin like 200 computers using Solaris, 20 servers using Solaris, and 2 servers using Trusted Solaris.
With Oracle owning Solaris now, I can see it's marketshare increasing in the future.
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Solaris desktop market share isn't going to be going up much imo. Oracle charges to much and their intention as I understood it was to go for their datacenters.
I know Oracle pretty much bought Solaris, so they can have a full solution for their database. OS + database, instead of just a database running on whatever. That way Oracle can make more money.
Solaris 10 is currently free. The problem is, the service contract. You get a 90 day free trial, after that, you have to have a service contract. Which happens to be $1000 a month. That only applies to Solaris 10 that you download off their site. If you purchase it via cd/dvd, then there is no need for a service contract.
You can get Solaris 8 for $13 on Amazon or Solaris 9 for $90. Solaris 10, kind of hard to get, ever since Oracle took over. You can probably get a cheap copy off Ebay.
As for your link for Solaris 2.5.1, you'd be a moron to pay that much for such an old release. Unless you plan to run it on an old PowerPC Mac. Solaris 2.5.1 (Solaris 5), Solaris 2.6 (Solaris 6), and after that, they stopped using the 2. It was just, Solaris 7.
Either way, I don't see Solaris gaining any type of popularity in the home market. I can see it possibly gaining on workstations. Course, those are just counted as desktops anyways.
Solaris 10 is currently free. The problem is, the service contract. You get a 90 day free trial, after that, you have to have a service contract. Which happens to be $1000 a month. That only applies to Solaris 10 that you download off their site. If you purchase it via cd/dvd, then there is no need for a service contract.
You can get Solaris 8 for $13 on Amazon or Solaris 9 for $90. Solaris 10, kind of hard to get, ever since Oracle took over. You can probably get a cheap copy off Ebay.
As for your link for Solaris 2.5.1, you'd be a moron to pay that much for such an old release. Unless you plan to run it on an old PowerPC Mac. Solaris 2.5.1 (Solaris 5), Solaris 2.6 (Solaris 6), and after that, they stopped using the 2. It was just, Solaris 7.
Either way, I don't see Solaris gaining any type of popularity in the home market. I can see it possibly gaining on workstations. Course, those are just counted as desktops anyways.
Probably b/c Apple doesn't clutter international TV w/ those silly "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials like they do here.
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For all of you who prefer the classic explorer and start menu, there is ClassicShell on sourceforge.
Oh right, it's so awesome that in a work environment you can't have more than a few apps (by few I mean 2-3 apps) running at one time before everything starts to go wrong. New apps won't start, other apps crash with memory allocation errors. This is XP with 4GB of ram (3GB usable, no /PAE switch).
I have a passion for hating XP and it's shitty resource management. Even Vista is an improvement over XP. It's waay past it's own time. Die already!