12-Year-Old Boy Genius Sets Out to Disprove Big Bang

DeathPrincess said:
No way is this going to turn into arguing. Your so wrong that your just no way, you are wrong.

But if thoertical scientists were allowed to just say "god did it" it would mean they would be able to get back to making cool stuff again. Seriously, in the begining there was a sugar hill, which attracted the ants, that vomited out rainbows that met with anti ranbows and causes a giant bubble storm. Then all the bubbles hardened, and turned into planets and moons then the great fire fairy set some on fire (suns). And then the great invisible eating frog, who devours worlds and sits around in space started going around trying to eat all the bubbles (black holes). The fairies made little houses for themselves (pulsars) and spread fairy dust (nebulae). The planets all loved each other (gravity) and the faries made little faries to live on the planets based on the form the joker fairies though the silliest (humans). Now go make a fucking warp drive and a teleporter.
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LMFAO!!
 
I don't remember Einstien doing jack when he is 12 - so being a 'genius' doesn't seem to match up with getting a degree early. Actually I think plenty of kids could do college work at 12 - they just don't have the discipline most of the time.
 
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.

It's sad that people look to liberal scientists for answers. They are just leading you away from the truth. There is plenty of science that backs up Genesis.
 
MajorDomo said:
At a time in his young life where he should be out playing baseball or hanging at the mall, Jacob Barnett is in his fourth year of college, tutoring older students and….oh yeah, working on his own theories of disproving the Big Bang Theory. Thanks goes out to forum member YamahaAlex37 for the heads up.
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I am impressed that any young man would set out to disprove such a retarded theory in the first place....that 12 year old has more sense than the grown men that argue about it.
Good for him and God bless him too.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
It's sad that people look to liberal scientists for answers. They are just leading you away from the truth. There is plenty of science that backs up Genesis.
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What about conservative scientists? Or is your argument that anyone that disagrees with the either of the two failed hypothesis for the creation of the world in the book of genesis is one of those evil liberals?

Skotty said:
I am impressed that any young man would set out to disprove such a retarded theory in the first place....that 12 year old has more sense than the grown men that argue about it.
Good for him and God bless him too.
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Read the article, not just the headline. He's not disproving The Big Bang, he is trying to come up with a better way to account for the presence and abundance of carbon.

Unfortunately sensationalist journalism prevails and distorts the message of what he's talking about.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.

It's sad that people look to liberal scientists for answers. They are just leading you away from the truth. There is plenty of science that backs up Genesis.
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First of all I'm a christian, I'm also a conservative. However, I am of the belief that science/religion as a function of a God created universe can co-exist within the realm of logic and reason. Afterall, that is the essence of a divine being to begin with. I personally belief that God is the architect, the engineer of the mechanics of the physics of all that we see today throughout the universe, but science should have a neutral, skeptical stance on this issue. While the great engineer has engineered the framework for what we see today, it is science that designed to question, create, understand, and reveal that engineering that is already in existence. Yes, I am an intelligent design acolyte, but that does not excuse you to label science as liberal/conservative because it shouldn't be so.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
It's sad that people look to liberal scientists for answers. They are just leading you away from the truth. There is plenty of science that backs up Genesis.
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Good thing the computer you're typing on, posting on the internet and using electricity were invented by the non-liberal kind of scientist, right?
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.

It's sad that people look to liberal scientists for answers. They are just leading you away from the truth. There is plenty of science that backs up Genesis.
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What makes you so certain that your worldview is the absolute truth? There are many different religions and many holy texts, yet there are no believable examples of supernatural activity. Holy texts like the Bible have been found to be full of errors, contradictions, and unfulfilled prophecies.

If you are willing to accept the idea that Allah and Shiva are false gods... haven't you ever considered the idea that all of the gods might be imaginary?

It took us a very long time to realize that the Earth wasn't the center of the solar system. We've only known that the sun is an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy for about a century. Over the last couple decades we've begun to realize that we aren't in the center of a universe made for us by superhuman gods.
 
I know it is absolute truth. It's all in the Bible which is the inspired word of God. Just look at the trees, people, and everything. There is no way that it could have been chance. Logic says that there has to be a first cause, which is supported by the big bang. There also isn't any good evidence that the earth is more than 6000 years old. Carbon dating is known to have errors and scientists are always biased. A simple google search will give you lots of evidence that liberal scientists don't want you to know about. They just want to push there agenda.
I've been working on some theories for several years now that are fully supported by the bible and make sense since we see a earth that is very young.
 
I think people are blowing his "carbon" statements way out of promotion. I don't think you should try to extrapolate the kid's intelligence from one comment. It was probably just one of a million things that go through his head every day, like when I sometime wonder if the light in the refrigerator goes off when you close it (I'm still trying to figure out a way to test it). The reporter just happened to ask him to voice his thoughts and made a headline of it to impress his boss.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I know it is absolute truth. It's all in the Bible which is the inspired word of God. Just look at the trees, people, and everything. There is no way that it could have been chance. Logic says that there has to be a first cause, which is supported by the big bang. There also isn't any good evidence that the earth is more than 6000 years old. Carbon dating is known to have errors and scientists are always biased. A simple google search will give you lots of evidence that liberal scientists don't want you to know about. They just want to push there agenda.
I've been working on some theories for several years now that are fully supported by the bible and make sense since we see a earth that is very young.
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Did Kent Hovind get an internet connection in prison?

I'll just say that you are horribly misinformed. You are choosing to be willfully ignorant. The choice you are making is to ignore the vast preponderance of evidence that correlates with the universe being 13.7 billion years old and the earth being 4.5 billion years old for the few bits of mislabeled, misunderstood and mistaken pieces that you think correlate with your world view.

In the words of Tyler Durden "sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."

You can wish and hope all you want, but facts are facts. The bible does not accurately portray the beginning of the universe or the origins of life. The misnomer that it does, and the crippling of science because of the idea, are two of the greatest dangers to the continued progress and economic well being of this country and the world.

I could recommend a number of very good books and websites on the subject...

Xee said:
I think people are blowing his "carbon" statements way out of promotion. I don't think you should try to extrapolate the kid's intelligence from one comment. It was probably just one of a million things that go through his head every day, like when I sometime wonder if the light in the refrigerator goes off when you close it (I'm still trying to figure out a way to test it). The reporter just happened to ask him to voice his thoughts and made a headline of it to impress his boss.
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Yes it turns off. There is a switch. Look around, you'll find it. Push it and the light goes out.

Conversely, take all the shelves out and crawl inside. (Unless you have one of the old locking fridges. Which if you do, just how high is your electric bill?)
 
Decibel said:
Yes it turns off. There is a switch. Look around, you'll find it. Push it and the light goes out.

Conversely, take all the shelves out and crawl inside. (Unless you have one of the old locking fridges. Which if you do, just how high is your electric bill?)
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Of course I know about the switch. But how do you *really* know it goes off?

And, yes, Mr. Smartypants, I already thought of crawling inside. Jeesh, I'm not an idiot. Problem was I was never able to get the door to close all the way. My next plan is to cut a hole in the side so I can stick my head in. I just don't have the money for the tools right now (and noooo, knives won't work, they just bend).

To keep this on topic, I'm hoping this kid has some breakthroughs soon. I want my warp drives.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I know it is absolute truth. It's all in the Bible which is the inspired word of God. Just look at the trees, people, and everything. There is no way that it could have been chance. Logic says that there has to be a first cause, which is supported by the big bang. There also isn't any good evidence that the earth is more than 6000 years old. Carbon dating is known to have errors and scientists are always biased. A simple google search will give you lots of evidence that liberal scientists don't want you to know about. They just want to push there agenda.
I've been working on some theories for several years now that are fully supported by the bible and make sense since we see a earth that is very young.
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I am a Christian myself, and I have to bring up some facts here that you may not like. First of all, the age of the earth is not based on carbon dating. It is based on the half-life of uranium and other heavy elements. The half-life of uranium is measured in the millions of years, and uranium decay is a pretty solid constant. Fossils such as dinosaur bones (which is why you are bringing up carbon dating) are made of mineral. They are no longer bone, and cannot be dated with carbon-14 measurements. The rock strata they are found in is dated based on uranium dating. Everything you have read from the Creationism standpoint regarding fossils and especially dinosaur fossils is wrong if they're using carbon dating as an argument. There is very good evidence that the earth is a few billion years old based on radioactive decay rates, and evidence that the universe is several billion years old based on astronomical measurements. These measurements could be imprecise to a certain degree, but if processes like radioactive decay did not hold constant over time the universe as it is could not function. Certain physical constants MUST be constant or it's turtles all the way down.

Second, there is nothing in the bible that requires the earth to be young. If you read Genesis where it speaks of life moving from the water onto the land, and follow the various creations of different creatures, the account follows the theory of evolution pretty closely. As for a day being a thousand years and a thousand years being a day, the literal text is this: A day to the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day. "as is" is a simile, not a literal statement. The Lord CREATED time, so this is speaking to the fact that to God, time is nothing, since God controls time itself. Using the bible to try to force God's creation process into a preconceived time period simply does not work. In effect you're saying God had to do things this way. It works the other way around. God did things however he did them. Discounting scientific study because certain facts appear to contradict with a specific interpretation of the bible is folly. It is true that some areas of science are being used to promote secularism, but discounting all science is tossing the baby out with the bath water. Where is the logic in that?

Our focus as Christians should be less on splitting hairs over how old the earth is and more of spreading the Gospel of Salvation. I believe firmly in God and Jesus Christ as my savior, yet I am a strict adherent to the scientific method when it comes to study of concrete things. Science and religion can and should coexist, and if you understand the message of the Gospel, you should also understand, as a Christian, that the devil uses bickering over petty differences to distract believers from the important work, which is educating people about the message of Salvation. If you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, that's OK. That's up to you. Just understand that not everyone will agree with this assessment. Ask yourself which is more important - that someone knows certain facts in their head, or knows Jesus with their heart?

Let scientists teach science, and theologians teach religion. Trying to do the opposite will only lead to confusion.
 
Xee said:
Of course I know about the switch. But how do you *really* know it goes off?

And, yes, Mr. Smartypants, I already thought of crawling inside. Jeesh, I'm not an idiot. Problem was I was never able to get the door to close all the way. My next plan is to cut a hole in the side so I can stick my head in. I just don't have the money for the tools right now (and noooo, knives won't work, they just bend).

To keep this on topic, I'm hoping this kid has some breakthroughs soon. I want my warp drives.
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Simple thing to do. Just glue or stick on a longer extension onto the switch plunger and slowly close the frig door and watch the light turn off before the door is completely closed. All you did was extend the length of the switch. Problem solved.
 
Phoenix333 said:
I love all the people here hating on this kid over his take on the Big Bang theory. I think some egos have been seriously bruised. Personally I'm glad he's thinking for himself and questioning existing theory. It's only when people question the established ideas that new ideas can be explored. Scientific theory is supposed to be challenged and tested. When a better explanation is found, the new theory is tested and if found experimentally sound, is adopted in place of the old one. That's how it's supposed to work. That's the heart of the scientific method. Whenever a theory turns into something unquestionable then science runs dangerously close to religion.
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Bingo!! ding ding ding!!

Too many people fall under Scientism now in days. Big bang and Darwinian theory have holes in them. List of professors and well established educated individuals that question the Darwinian theory.

Signers of the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism must either hold a Ph.D. in a scientific field such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, computer science, or one of the other natural sciences; or they must hold an M.D. and serve as a professor of medicine. Signers must also agree with the following statement:

"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
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Conker said:
Bingo!! ding ding ding!!

Too many people fall under Scientism now in days. Big bang and Darwinian theory have holes in them. List of professors and well established educated individuals that question the Darwinian theory.
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Ofcourse, it's the nature of science to question, and come up with better answers and alternatives.

Compare that to religion where there's nothing to poke holes at all since none of it is consistent. The 10 commandments are far too similar to old Egyptian text. Christmas was a pagan holiday (Ah, the glory of capitalism). And if you were to strictly adhere to it, the very concept of medicine is unethical because it is man changing destiny in place of god.

Easiest way to disprove one religion is to put it in the same room as the hundreds of others and let them cancel each other out.
 
theelviscerator said:
In a hundred years or so, give or take a few, God will teach him all he wants to know about the Big Bang.

AHAHAAHA.
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My fav quote on Genesis is the chance of the perfect primordial soup generating a single strand of DNA, is the same as a tornado going through a junkyard, and a functioning 747 Jumbo Jet flying out with it.
 
All of this discussion is pointless.

There is no big bang. The earth is 7000 years old and God dun it. Discussion over.
 
all this shit is too depressing to think about... I don't want to die but then I don't want to live forever, lol.
 
I'm not going to waste my time replying to all of you. To much poor logic, lack of scientific evidence, and bias to deal with. You guys should go here to my church forums if you want to learn more about science and the bible. My pastor is very knowledgeable and has a graduate degree.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

Praying for you guys! Jesus bless your souls!
 
theelviscerator said:
My fav quote on Genesis is the chance of the perfect primordial soup generating a single strand of DNA, is the same as a tornado going through a junkyard, and a functioning 747 Jumbo Jet flying out with it.
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What you are referring to is Hoyle's Fallacy. Dawkins answered that one pretty well in Chapter 4 - Why There Is Almost Certainly No God. It's called the Ultimate 747 gambit.

Cliffs: Cranes > Skyhooks.

Bringing that back on topic, there is no need for a scientist to have to study (or "prove") first principles in order to ask a question and answer it. Knowing how electrons were first created is not a necessary requirement for studying a carbon atom imbalance any more than I need to know the relative abundance of carbon to study organic chemistry or DNA replication.

These are all cranes built upon basic physics, whose tenets will not all fall apart if it turns out some new math better describes how my chair 'levitates' over the atoms of my floor.
 
srangara said:
What you are referring to is Hoyle's Fallacy. Dawkins answered that one pretty well in Chapter 4 - Why There Is Almost Certainly No God. It's called the Ultimate 747 gambit.

Cliffs: Cranes > Skyhooks.

Bringing that back on topic, there is no need for a scientist to have to study (or "prove") first principles in order to ask a question and answer it. Knowing how electrons were first created is not a necessary requirement for studying a carbon atom imbalance any more than I need to know the relative abundance of carbon to study organic chemistry or DNA replication.

These are all cranes built upon basic physics, whose tenets will not all fall apart if it turns out some new math better describes how my chair 'levitates' over the atoms of my floor.
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I'm not concerned with the frameworks of the fundamentals of the physics involved throughout the cosmos. They are fairly well understood and short of singularities being the big X factor in said physics, they gel well. However, there is a logical regression in studying the abundance of any form of matter over another because it can suggest that something else we don't know about is afoot. That could also imply that a basic premise of the theory of matter formation might be off or needs revision. I clearly specified an electrical universe along with the unknown origin of electrons as dovetailing into that discussion. There is also the matter of the speed of gravity and how it plays on the formation of an electrical universe that comes into question as well.

The math describes what is going on and in many cases how it is being done, but suffice to say outside of a unified field theory, I hope his search for the over-abundance of carbon leads to answering these other questions. These are the current fields I'm interested in and I'm really on a serious quest to understand them fully. That's where my interest lies and I'd like to see more science go towards answering these questions.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I'm not going to waste my time replying to all of you. To much poor logic, lack of scientific evidence, and bias to deal with. You guys should go here to my church forums if you want to learn more about science and the bible. My pastor is very knowledgeable and has a graduate degree.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

Praying for you guys! Jesus bless your souls!
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A graduate degree isn't neccessary to understand the Bible or God. Last I looked salvation didn't require a college degree.

WTF
 
I have no doubt the kid is smart, but please lay off the Beautiful Mind style window writing, it's contrived and disingenuous. Stick to pencil and paper or get another whiteboard.
 
Methadras said:
I'm not concerned with the frameworks of the fundamentals of the physics involved throughout the cosmos. They are fairly well understood and short of singularities being the big X factor in said physics, they gel well. However, there is a logical regression in studying the abundance of any form of matter over another because it can suggest that something else we don't know about is afoot. That could also imply that a basic premise of the theory of matter formation might be off or needs revision. I clearly specified an electrical universe along with the unknown origin of electrons as dovetailing into that discussion. There is also the matter of the speed of gravity and how it plays on the formation of an electrical universe that comes into question as well.

The math describes what is going on and in many cases how it is being done, but suffice to say outside of a unified field theory, I hope his search for the over-abundance of carbon leads to answering these other questions. These are the current fields I'm interested in and I'm really on a serious quest to understand them fully. That's where my interest lies and I'd like to see more science go towards answering these questions.
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I think I understand, now. You just want someone with balls to step up and study this area? That's completely fair. Apologies for misunderstanding.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I know it is absolute truth. It's all in the Bible which is the inspired word of God.. .
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tacosareveryyummy said:
I'm not going to waste my time replying to all of you. To much poor logic, lack of scientific evidence, and bias to deal with. You guys should go here to my church forums if you want to learn more about science and the bible. My pastor is very knowledgeable and has a graduate degree.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

Praying for you guys! Jesus bless your souls!
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At first I thought you were just retarded. Then when you linked to my church I saw you were a comedic genius!


God is Carbon, that's why there is so much of it.
 
At least that 12 year old might live forever and hell wouldnt that be fun? Having sex with the same woman forever or worse, being abstinent forever if you never married on Earth. Wouldn't being in Heaven be like being in Church 24/7/365 for eternity? What a bonus folks! We can have cassaroles and potlucks for every meal and laugh at the tormented fuckers who had to work on the Sabbath.

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srangara said:
I think I understand, now. You just want someone with balls to step up and study this area? That's completely fair. Apologies for misunderstanding.
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Exactly. The dogmatic nature in the hard sciences lends itself to cowing those that would try to legitimately tackle these issues without rebuke or the (mis)characterization of being on the fringe and then thoroughly dismissed from any serious statement of academe much less any peer review. No need to apologize, this is a heartening discussion and I welcome the free exchange of these ideas even if they are or might be on the realm of minutiae.
 
griff30 said:
At least that 12 year old might live forever and hell wouldnt that be fun? Having sex with the same woman forever or worse, being abstinent forever if you never married on Earth. Wouldn't being in Heaven be like being in Church 24/7/365 for eternity? What a bonus folks! We can have cassaroles and potlucks for every meal and laugh at the tormented fuckers who had to work on the Sabbath.

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That has got to be the greatest goof site i've ever seen.
 
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