ASUS GeForce GTX 590 Video Card Review @ [H]

Thanks for the review. I too am on the wagon for a near silent high performance video card. Currently I am using a GTX480, and while the noise isn't unbearable for me, it surely is noticable. The worst part about it is when other people are around. My wife absolutely hates my computer because of the noise the video card puts out.

If I could get a high performance card that is near silent, that is very enticing for me. From the reviews, I already know the AMD 6990 is out of the question.
 
samuelmorris said:
A large proportion of 8800s failed during the left 4 dead era as that game was quite good for using the majority of your graphics card even with a slow CPU.
As far as I can tell, the last thing nvidia built properly was the Geforce 7 series. G80 and G92 unreliability is pretty commonplace as googling 'bumpgate' will tell you. They made considerable improvements with the GT200 series but seem to be being let down by poor quality VRMs later in life. How long the GTX470/480 will last with their enormous operating temperatures and already high fan speeds I'm not sure either, as it seems like, at least initially, nvidia reverted to the problematic underfill of the G92 era, as the newer material used on the GT200s couldn't handle the extreme heat of Fermi GPUs. That may have since changed of course.

Up until this point, there was no proof one way or the other to say what build quality was like for the 5 series. Now the GTX590 has had these problems though, I'm not enormously confident.
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I guess what I read years ago is indeed right, or at least has some truth in it. Nvidia is now a software company that happens to be making some hardware.
 
I don't know if any of you-all have seen the EVGA videos for marketing their 590 "Classified"..............but the guy spends more time on talking about the size of the box and the swag than he does the GPU.

all that and it gets 85 FPS in Crysis2 at 1920 x 1200 !!!!! OMG!!!!

They are selling a pair of cards with waterblocks for 1729.99 if anyone is interested.:eek:
I'm not sure if it comes with chips.

Not that the card is a bad idea, but the marketing is just sophomoric at best.
 
Derangel said:
I hope Kyle and Brent are careful overclocking this thing. TPU is saying it happened while OCing and that its not an isolated incident.
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We do not care if it burns, we did not pay for it.

Zarathustra[H];1037020397 said:
What's interesting is that Anandtech's numbers are much more favorable for the 590 than the [H].

Part of it can be explained by Anand not using triple head resolutions and thus not showing the RAM limitation compared to AMD as much.
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We think $700 video card setups deserved to be challenged beyond 2560 lines.

Lorien said:
Here is the real reason why they put out that bullshit about noise and are trying to sell some fanboys a crippled card. Try overclocking it and it will literally burn along with the rest of your system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc
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WOW. In defense of NVIDIA, those guys were not using the suggested driver. Might be worth checking was driver comes in the box before loading it up.

-Sn1PeR- said:
Thanks for the eyefinity resolutions being included! This is the best review yet.
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You are welcome sir.
 
In considering the target audience of such a card, why on earth don't they release a factory water blocked version? With only one PCB design, a couple of channel partners, and thousands released worldwide, this would have been a great product to release as water cooled only. Performance could have been tremendous and extremely quiet. Heck, they could have had an all-in-one water cooled version with water block, pump, and radiator all included.

Playing it safe at this tier will never win the game.
 
Oh, and a little comment on the video card reviews ....

Since y'all have these super duper video cards and systems, could you at least try and run Metro 2033 with AA 4x and DoF on and see if there is any resolution it can run well on? Triple 30 inch monitor reviews are nice, but doesn't indicate the performance penalty some of these features take when turned on. We only know from the past reviews on the games themselves that DoF was hard hitting on the current video card of the day, and then that feature is never tried again on any subsequent video card reviews. I know time constraints exist, but would like to read a future [H] video card review where these hardcore effects are periodically checked to see if they still cause detrimental performance.
 
With the 590 presentation and review delays and not being that hot compared to the 6990, what big thing does Nvidia have in store? Is it the reason why Crysis 2 DX11 will be patched in later?
 
Hm, nothing exciting here.

Once non-reference design 6990's start hitting the market, Nvidia won't be able to tout their lower noice benefit. There there will be little reason at all to buy a 590 over a 6990.

Guess the wait is now on for the Radeon 7000 & GTX 600 series. :(
 
With having a software based power limiter, how long before something like a virus can take advantage of this?

Hmm, having the wrong driver version should NOT make your card blow up (or anything really...lol...). OCing it can blow it up, but if it's incompatible with previous driver versions, then put a lock on it in the Bios or something ...

Just my opinion, but the "built-in" engineering safety factor vs. price ratio to make it sellable is starting to be a big problem.


Y.

What is the TDP the 590 hardware is rated for?
 
magoo said:
I don't know if any of you-all have seen the EVGA videos for marketing their 590 "Classified"..............but the guy spends more time on talking about the size of the box and the swag than he does the GPU.

all that and it gets 85 FPS in Crysis2 at 1920 x 1200 !!!!! OMG!!!!

They are selling a pair of cards with waterblocks for 1729.99 if anyone is interested.:eek:
I'm not sure if it comes with chips.

Not that the card is a bad idea, but the marketing is just sophomoric at best.
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All marketing can do to bring some excitement to this. People are eating that shit up :)
 
jcollett said:
Oh, and a little comment on the video card reviews ....

Since y'all have these super duper video cards and systems, could you at least try and run Metro 2033 with AA 4x and DoF on and see if there is any resolution it can run well on? Triple 30 inch monitor reviews are nice, but doesn't indicate the performance penalty some of these features take when turned on. We only know from the past reviews on the games themselves that DoF was hard hitting on the current video card of the day, and then that feature is never tried again on any subsequent video card reviews. I know time constraints exist, but would like to read a future [H] video card review where these hardcore effects are periodically checked to see if they still cause detrimental performance.
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We do that in every review we publish using Metro 2033. The reason we do not use DoF is because is does not run well with it on. When we can turn it on, we will. :D

And we are not using triple 30" monitors, 3x1 24".
 
Yakk said:
What is the TDP the 590 hardware is rated for?
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Page 1 - RTFA - Not sure why we have a "Horsepower" number now.....

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So was this the Top-Secret Next-Gen Super Marketing Lingo thingie or not?

Nvidia posted the GTX 590 reveal video last night according to their youtube channel, and so far nothing has been stated about anything this morning, 3 hours past the whole 6 AM deal.

I assumed it was gonna be the 590, but the timing is kinda weird.
 
Thank you so much for the 5040x1050 resolution!

I just wish you'd use 3x1 setups in the regular 6970, 6950 reviews.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037020281 said:
Disagree. At $700 this card is about the same price as a SLI 570 setup. It outperforms 570s in SLI though. Not ecalty clear why considering how low the clock is, but it does.

(Probably lack of SLI bridge and PCIe bus bottlenecks as well as more VRAM and VRAM bandwidth.)
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I would go over the review once again, because the GTX 590 is lower, on par, or barely besting the GTX570 SLI setup depending on the game. At the price point which some cards are at, you can clearly get the same, if not a tad bit more for less.

I'm was smart not to look for a price drop on the GTX580's & KYLE really put that into perspective as to why even more. Guess I'll pray a 3GB model card comes out within 40 days from EVGA. Thanks Kyle :cool:
 
Looks great. I've learned to wait on these first versions. Revision 2 of this card should be great plus maybe a price reduction.
 
Am I the only one who would have preferred they take the cherry picked GPUs and create a GTX 585 SKU or something instead? These cards just seem like a waste. Hot, slow, expensive. Why bother? Unless you absolutely need a single slot solution, the GTX 570 SLI is faster in some games and on par in others while being $100 cheaper, and the GTX 580 SLI is much faster. I'd rather see a faster single GPU board.
 
I'm struggling to understand why a driver is causing a card to pop like that when new. I can understand the failures of the older cards due to the driver that stopped fans a while back, that heat stress is eventually going to break things, but all that I can think of here is that the voltage going through is somehow bugging to become a lot higher than it should be. Otherwise, it can't possibly be the driver, just faulty hardware. Even if the driver is somewhow demanding something silly like 1.5V by accident, there should really be BIOS level control over that.
 
samuelmorris said:
I'm struggling to understand why a driver is causing a card to pop like that when new. I can understand the failures of the older cards due to the driver that stopped fans a while back, that heat stress is eventually going to break things, but all that I can think of here is that the voltage going through is somehow bugging to become a lot higher than it should be. Otherwise, it can't possibly be the driver, just faulty hardware. Even if the driver is somewhow demanding something silly like 1.5V by accident, there should really be BIOS level control over that.
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There is driver level power regulation in the 500-series that prevents the cards for overdrawing power during things like FurMark, Crysis, Metro2033, etc. Apparently they feel it isn't working correctly. I guess what could be happening is rather than burning the GPUs or memory, it is stressing the VRMs and other power regulation circuitry too much and they are dying when overclocked. To me that would seem like shitty engineering, though. Who is going to buy an enthusiast $700 video card to leave it bone stock?
 
Rizen said:
Am I the only one who would have preferred they take the cherry picked GPUs and create a GTX 585 SKU or something instead? These cards just seem like a waste. Hot, slow, expensive. Why bother? Unless you absolutely need a single slot solution, the GTX 570 SLI is faster in some games and on par in others while being $100 cheaper, and the GTX 580 SLI is much faster. I'd rather see a faster single GPU board.
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Yes I do need SLI on one card. With couple RAID cards it is the only option really. And because I find whole 2/3/4 SLI[CF] with 2-3-4 cards idiotic.

Honestly I'm not surprised at all with reference GTX590, I was expecting that from the start. It was obvious that both chips and mem must be seriously under clocked to keep the power drain within some acceptable levels (<-375W). Wait for fully clocked 590 with some non-reference cooling and most importantly 3rd 8 pin PEG connector for additional power.

C'mon MSI give it some TwinFrozrIII treatment! :D
 
jonneymendoza said:
oi! where are the crysis 2 benchmarks!!

:D
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Crysis 2 released Tuesday and earlier in the thread Kyle mentioned Brent spent a week on this. I doubt there would be enough time for Brent to run through the entire game and then find a good spot to run the test, plus do all the testing.
 
FranklyShankly said:
So was this the Top-Secret Next-Gen Super Marketing Lingo thingie or not?

Nvidia posted the GTX 590 reveal video last night according to their youtube channel, and so far nothing has been stated about anything this morning, 3 hours past the whole 6 AM deal.

I assumed it was gonna be the 590, but the timing is kinda weird.
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Yes, this was the thing. I'm trying to find out where the idea that it would be a next generation product started.


e: Also I think Crysis 2 testing will wait. Looks like we won't have to use batchfiles to modify the simplest of things any longer, but still, hope to see it as a separate Crysis 2 article after the DX11 patch appears so we can see if anything weird is going on
 
terrybogard21 said:
I would go over the review once again, because the GTX 590 is lower, on par, or barely besting the GTX570 SLI setup depending on the game. At the price point which some cards are at, you can clearly get the same, if not a tad bit more for less.

I'm was smart not to look for a price drop on the GTX580's & KYLE really put that into perspective as to why even more. Guess I'll pray a 3GB model card comes out within 40 days from EVGA. Thanks Kyle :cool:
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Yeah, I based that comment off of Anands review.

The [H] uses triple head (which is appropriate for these cards) so the results Are going to be different, that being said this doesn't explain the full difference...
 
The question on my mind now is when are the next series of Nvidia cards coming out?

I was originally planning on buying one of these, assuming it ended up being a lot more powerful then what it actually is. I think the better idea now is to wait for the 600 series, and get a 580 equivalent.
 
What a waste of cherry picked GF110 GPU's. I'm starting to laugh at some of the sites giving this a 'great value' recommendation and other nonsense. Sky is seriously becoming a nV fanboy at HWC, the site is starting to turn to shit. Thankfully there's still [H] to try and keep things in perspective for GAMERS, not folding monkeys.
 
Rossi~ said:
Homefront was made for DX9 + DX11, it is a DX11 game.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,8...nt-unterstuetzt-DirectX-11/Action-Spiel/News/


Crysis 2, from day1 of the demo it was DX9 only as they're releasing DX11 on release (with GTX 590)
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IMHO a DX9 engine with some DX11 features patched in does NOT equal a DX11 game. It's just that, a DX9 game sprinkle with a little bit of DX11 eye candy that sometimes doesn't even impact the appearan e much, but is more of a marketing gimmick.

A DX11 game is one designed from the ground up for DX11. The only game I can think right now that I would consider a real DX11 game is Civilization V...

The notable thing about Civ V is that it runs pretty well even on pretty mid to low end DX11 cards but stinks on even high end DX9 cards.
 
The true potential of this card won't be known until review sites examine it's overclocking potential. It's quite obvious that the only thing differentiating the 590 from 580 SLI is clock speeds, so if the 590 can reach 580 clocks the 6990 will not be as good. The 6900 tends to gain ~10% of its stock performance after overclocking, the 590, I predict will gain more. In other words, my point is, the 6990 is better than the 590 when both are stock, the 590 will probably be better than the 6990 when both are overclocked (I mean that on-average).

One thing I want to mention, is that you guys neglected to mention the memory bus on the 590. It doesn't just have the shading potential of 580 SLI with 512 shaders, it has a 384-bit bus, it is 580 SLI, except with a muzzle :p.
 
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