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ASUS PA246Q: 24-inch, 1920x1200, IPS
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Just ordered the Benq XL2410T for that very reason. With "direct mode" enabled it has a 5ms average with no spikes over 20 which makes it the fastest monitor TFT Central have ever tested. The fact that it has a terrific stand and 120hz are just bonuses. It's also got a very nice AG coating (THIN!). Sure TN sucks but I watch everything on the Projector anyway.
I just returned my PA246Q. My input is purely subjective, so I'm sure it won't be much help. I'm not a gamer & I don't have any calibration tools. I do have @ 20 years of monitor exposure & have come to learn what I like & what I don't like. I can remember paying $500 for a 15" NEC Multi-sync CRT, because I love their Opti-Clear coating. It was glossy & provided sharp text & vivid colors. I bought one of NEC's first retail LCD's it was only 15" I believe, but had a great screen. I tried to find out what type of panel it had, but never could. I've also had a 23" glossy display LG, (not glossy bezel). I don't remeber the model #, & it's long been discontinued, but it had a great picture. Not photography great, but recreationally great. Of course the problem was the viewing angle. I have a 17" Futitsu notebook that has a wonderful display, including great viewing angles. Apparently it's some flavor of VA panel. (Boy I wish Fujitsu sold their displays in the US!)
Next I bought a 2209WA. Great picture, but I HATE that AG coating. IT distorts text & muddies the colors. I sold the 2209WA to get a U2410. I only kept that @ 2 weeks. I loved the size, but not the screen...darn AG coating! I then bought the PA246Q, based on forum comments that the AG coating was not as aggressive. Well, from my perspective, which is all that matters, It was enough better. On top of that it had the classic tint banding of pink, from left to right. I spend a lot of time surfing & emailing, so I like a white background to be white. And if that wasn't enough, it also had bad brightness uniformity accross the screen.
Now I will admit that when vewing photos or watching video, the screen & colors looked good, though I'm convinced you need to spend ALOT of time adjusting the colors to get them to look correct.
For now, I found a little treasure in the glossy screen LG W2340VG. It's TN, so they viewing angles suck, it's 16:9, (I much prefer 16:10) & the colors may not be accurate, but what a gorgeous display. The colors are vivid & to my eye accurate. Also, the text is VERY sharp.
I guess, it's got as many trade-offs as my last 3 IPS display, but they are less objectionable to me &, it only cost me $169! I'll gladly pay $500 for a good monitor, but not for a fair/poor one. I do miss the 24" real estate, & the 16:10, aspect ratio & the viewing angles though. So I'll try again, this time I ordered an zr24w. It was only $406, so maybe it will be good enough to settle for.
Next I bought a 2209WA. Great picture, but I HATE that AG coating. IT distorts text & muddies the colors. I sold the 2209WA to get a U2410. I only kept that @ 2 weeks. I loved the size, but not the screen...darn AG coating! I then bought the PA246Q, based on forum comments that the AG coating was not as aggressive. Well, from my perspective, which is all that matters, It was enough better. On top of that it had the classic tint banding of pink, from left to right. I spend a lot of time surfing & emailing, so I like a white background to be white. And if that wasn't enough, it also had bad brightness uniformity accross the screen.
Now I will admit that when vewing photos or watching video, the screen & colors looked good, though I'm convinced you need to spend ALOT of time adjusting the colors to get them to look correct.
For now, I found a little treasure in the glossy screen LG W2340VG. It's TN, so they viewing angles suck, it's 16:9, (I much prefer 16:10) & the colors may not be accurate, but what a gorgeous display. The colors are vivid & to my eye accurate. Also, the text is VERY sharp.
I guess, it's got as many trade-offs as my last 3 IPS display, but they are less objectionable to me &, it only cost me $169! I'll gladly pay $500 for a good monitor, but not for a fair/poor one. I do miss the 24" real estate, & the 16:10, aspect ratio & the viewing angles though. So I'll try again, this time I ordered an zr24w. It was only $406, so maybe it will be good enough to settle for.
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I bet is nice and all but im turned off to the whole x1080 res. Im just sick of this craptastic resolution.
Now I am also starting to shun away at this Asus and I at first wanted it very badly. Due to all these bad pixel stories on this forum alone I am going to revisit my idea of going with 3 ZR24Ws from HP. I mean sure they dont have the best black levels but HP has been known to take pride in their LCD QC. And to boot they are really awesome IPS panels.
i think i will pass on the LG, but i look forward to your opinion on the HP because i really hate 16:9 but i want sharp text and it seems you have similar needs to mine. so let us know what's your opinion when you get it.
thanks
The PA246Q I received from NewEgg doesn't have any dead pixels.
NewEgg's return policy on this monitor is replacement only for some ungodly reason though
The screen is extremely bright though even with a setting of 0 on brightness.
The amount of calibration settings can keep you busy for days too.
Brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, gamma, six-axis hue, six-axis saturation, gain, off-set.
Is the monitor worth ~500$, thats the part i'm kind of hung up on.
Definalty one of the brightest monitors i have ever used.
blacks look decent, could be better most likely with more calibration.
You can pretty much make the colors look like what ever due to the calibration settings
Monitor doesn't seem to be as friendly with my eyes as others though
stand is so-so quality, much better on the ultrasharps.
Asus not having a pixel-perfect warranty like Dell at this price range is absurd though.
i paid 150$ for 23" Acer H233H at BestBuy due to it missing a power cable. Does the asus have better picture quality yes it does, 350$ better though eh
after having this a few days and playing with it, the more i seem to like the monitor, not to sure it was worth the cost though,
very possible i might try and return it pick up a cheaper monitor and get another gtx570 considering main use of the pc is gaming
Eric
NewEgg's return policy on this monitor is replacement only for some ungodly reason though
The screen is extremely bright though even with a setting of 0 on brightness.
The amount of calibration settings can keep you busy for days too.
Brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, gamma, six-axis hue, six-axis saturation, gain, off-set.
Is the monitor worth ~500$, thats the part i'm kind of hung up on.
Definalty one of the brightest monitors i have ever used.
blacks look decent, could be better most likely with more calibration.
You can pretty much make the colors look like what ever due to the calibration settings
Monitor doesn't seem to be as friendly with my eyes as others though
stand is so-so quality, much better on the ultrasharps.
Asus not having a pixel-perfect warranty like Dell at this price range is absurd though.
i paid 150$ for 23" Acer H233H at BestBuy due to it missing a power cable. Does the asus have better picture quality yes it does, 350$ better though eh
after having this a few days and playing with it, the more i seem to like the monitor, not to sure it was worth the cost though,
very possible i might try and return it pick up a cheaper monitor and get another gtx570 considering main use of the pc is gaming
Eric
When you go to the Asus site and look for drivers, there is PA246q and PA246q-a
I found some info on a Chinese Page for the PA246q-a:
http://translate.googleusercontent....le.com&usg=ALkJrhilLISG9ToTRgsbTlDhZaTEF3ZpiQ
anyone know what this is?
hope you can view this page, if not I'll post the specs a different way
I found some info on a Chinese Page for the PA246q-a:
http://translate.googleusercontent....le.com&usg=ALkJrhilLISG9ToTRgsbTlDhZaTEF3ZpiQ
anyone know what this is?
hope you can view this page, if not I'll post the specs a different way
BruceInCola
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Nope - that is not their out of stock message. In fact, in all the years I have bought thousands of dollars worth of products from them, I have never seen that message or anything like it. Must be serious for them to smack down the manufacturer like that on the product page.
Back to the HP 24Z for me as well. Darn... (I say darn only because I fear the many reports of crappy black levels, which affects PQ more than anything else)
daveswantek
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Wow! You are not kidding. I went to their page after reading your post and here is the message:
Actually; it is great to see a vendor actually listen to customer feedback, of course a bunch of returns helps get their attention too.
I do not know that ASUS is directly responsible for the stuck dead pixels, that comes from the panel vendor. If that vendor is LG then it figures. Their QC is really bad, but ASUS should be checking what actually comes of the assembly line and they obviously aren't. I wonder if any of the vendors do that.
Dave
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Item Under Review
"While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!) We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible. "
"Actually; it is great to see a vendor actually listen to customer feedback, of course a bunch of returns helps get their attention too."
Yes but it kinda shoots it down if you were considering buying another for dual monitor...so I think I will send it back. It doesn't bode well.
"While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!) We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible. "
"Actually; it is great to see a vendor actually listen to customer feedback, of course a bunch of returns helps get their attention too."
Yes but it kinda shoots it down if you were considering buying another for dual monitor...so I think I will send it back. It doesn't bode well.
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Dave said:
" I do not know that ASUS is directly responsible for the stuck dead pixels, that comes from the panel vendor. If that vendor is LG then it figures. Their QC is really bad, but ASUS should be checking what actually comes of the assembly line and they obviously aren't. I wonder if any of the vendors do that."
No I think we are the QC now.
" I do not know that ASUS is directly responsible for the stuck dead pixels, that comes from the panel vendor. If that vendor is LG then it figures. Their QC is really bad, but ASUS should be checking what actually comes of the assembly line and they obviously aren't. I wonder if any of the vendors do that."
No I think we are the QC now.
I've seen this message a number of times on Amazon's site.
As you indicated, it is not an out of stock message. It could be due to a problem with the item itself or something as minor as an incorrect description of the item. Shouldn't assume it is a smackdown of the manufacturer.
What the vendors (and then again the OEMs) order from LG, Samsung, AUO and so on, are panels conforming to a specific model number and then they also specify the panel quality - A/B/C grades. All batches contain great to less great panels and are sorted by homogenity and dead pixels mainly - but also pressure marks/mura defects. Grade A panels definitely do not contain dead/bright pixels.
Manufacturers are not trying to manufacture grade B panels if the customers only specifies this - if the batch only yields grade A panels, then the manufacturer gets the grade A panels.
The quality of the batches might not be too good, but then Asus should have specified a higher minimum grade..
let me tell you a little secret. Rivatuner can rip the info off the LCD and create a driver for you. Done it with all my LCDs. Its as good as the original
Another proper review of this monitor, this time from Hungary (be sure to go through all three pages):
http://ipon.hu/elemzesek/gyongyszemek_az_asus_es_a_fujitsu_muhelyebol/965/2
Google translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fipon.hu%2Felemzesek%2Fgyongyszemek_az_asus_es_a_fujitsu_muhelyebol%2F965%2F2
http://ipon.hu/elemzesek/gyongyszemek_az_asus_es_a_fujitsu_muhelyebol/965/2
Google translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fipon.hu%2Felemzesek%2Fgyongyszemek_az_asus_es_a_fujitsu_muhelyebol%2F965%2F2
thinkdiesel
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i think for the price this is a decent monitor
lancelot48
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I wonder how many IPS monitors really have QC issues. I've three Dells (U2711, 2410 and 2311). Never had any dead pixels or tinted panels. The AG doesn't bother me or I wouldn't have three. But from reading this Forum you would think 100% are defective.
I wonder how many IPS monitors really have QC issues. I've three Dells (U2711, 2410 and 2311). Never had any dead pixels or tinted panels. The AG doesn't bother me or I wouldn't have three. But from reading this Forum you would think 100% are defective.
IPS panels tend have slightly more than average issues. LG QA doesn't seem to be first rate and they maybe harder to manufacture.
But they also tend to cost more than TN panels so that leads to more people complaining. Obviously people are more vocal when they have a problem.
The AG coating thing. Yeah, that hardly gets mentioned elsewhere but it is like a feedback chamber here and the same vocal minority will leap on every hint of AG coatings.
I can tell you that I only noticed the glow from the lower-right of the screen and the stuck pixels. The glow is forgivable, after all my MVA panel has color shift across the screen. I don't feel that any panel is perfect. However, the stuck pixels are too much IMO. If they were only partially stuck or near the edge of the screen, I may have kept these panels. Alas, these are the first panels I have sent back due to stuck/dead pixels.
I also did think the text seemed a bit weird and not as clear as the MVA. I largely cleared this up just by adjusting my cleartype settings.
daveswantek
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Re-skinned U2410 confirmed
NCX you seem to be on top of LCD technologies pretty fondly. Summarize your thoughts so far. Im about to pull the trigger on this (cautiously though because of horror reports of dead pixels on the Asus) or a ZR24w.
thanks a mil in advance!
I wonder how many IPS monitors really have QC issues. I've three Dells (U2711, 2410 and 2311). Never had any dead pixels or tinted panels. The AG doesn't bother me or I wouldn't have three. But from reading this Forum you would think 100% are defective.
I nearly let all the negative on forums (not just this one) talk me out of buying the u2711. Purchased it on Monday off Craigs List and I am finding more to love about it each day. To each their own, but there sure are a lot of negative comments with very few positive ones to counter them.
I guess the happy people don't have much reason to lurk a forum, while the unhappy ones are hoping to find answers to the "short comings" they find in the displays.
I was under the impression they were set for a spring time release.
I dont know much about them but it seems that everytime someone waits for the next best thing the next next best thing comes out and you are still left waiting for that next best thing. This PLS better be good because I was reading that its a usual samsung marketing gizmo.
Thanks for the info, I'll check it out!
Too bad, Samsung SA850 PLS is 27". Getting way too big for my space. So it looks like I am stuck again looking. Think I will go to the dell kiosk and look at that Touch ST2220T. The price is down to $289.00. Can't hurt to look, though it didn't get great reviews...and I don't think it would be easy to run on linux....anyone done that?????
Really love the color on this asus... It is SPLENDID for sure and looks great on Windows 7 or Linux (Ubuntu). But can't abide the red stuck pixel that will not go away. And I don't think I want to deal with a company that expects you to accept a less than perfect monitor for graphics. Getting a second one will be too hard.
Really love the color on this asus... It is SPLENDID for sure and looks great on Windows 7 or Linux (Ubuntu). But can't abide the red stuck pixel that will not go away. And I don't think I want to deal with a company that expects you to accept a less than perfect monitor for graphics. Getting a second one will be too hard.
Meh, Samsung has never targeted the high end monitor crowd, so I'm a skeptic. Edge lit LED, semi glossy certainly aren't traits a professional would want. Despite good viewing angles, the PLS tech is all about cost cutting from what I read. It also is listed as having a 12ms gtg response time which is hideous.
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I would rather have semi-glossy display over AG and the medicore image quality this re-skinned U2410 puts out (unless the foriegn sites did a bad job of calibration, which is always possible).
CCFL or Edge-Lit LED backlighting quality depends on the QC.
Hopefully the QC on Samsungs PLS displays will be better than LG's IPS displays and end their monopoly. Being absent from the premium display market since their 2007 S-PVA LCDs, one would think they would have learned something.
CCFL or Edge-Lit LED backlighting quality depends on the QC.
Hopefully the QC on Samsungs PLS displays will be better than LG's IPS displays and end their monopoly. Being absent from the premium display market since their 2007 S-PVA LCDs, one would think they would have learned something.
Have you seen this monitor in person????? It is NOT a U2410 despite appearance and the color is beautiful. I had a U2410 when it came out and it WAS terrible. The color was awful. But this one works right out of the box...only gripe I have is the red pixel in my face and the Asus return policy. I am disgusted and tired of not being able to see before I buy.
NCX, here is the problem with PLS. I see no where that an actual desktop LCD will be produced anytime in the next 3-4 quarters. All I see from googling the hell out of it is handheld devices, iphones, etc....
Im taking your advice and waiting on Prad.de.
Now in general. One thing im starting to see about these forums is a trend. And that trend is a typically negative bias against almost everything display related. I know there are some quirky LCDs out there. But it seems that everyone, or nearly everyone has a gripe against every LCD made. I wish there was a perfect display but there is not. I do however realize that the PA246Q may have definite qc issues and bad pixels. Its hard to rule that out given the overwhelming evidence as documented on this thread.
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You are right tangoseal. I've been lurking in the display forum for a very long time and generally agree with your comments. However! There is one monitor that people in this forum unanimously agree was (and still is) amazing. 20wmgx2
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I may be lucky, but I ordered 3 of these from Amazon and can't find a dead/stock pixel on any of them after many solid color tests.
Are you really liking them so far? Im waiting to see a positive regarding these from someone. At the same time im also waiting to see what Prad reviews about the LCD as well as TFTCentral.