ASUS PA246Q: 24-inch, 1920x1200, IPS

So has anyone with the monitor done that precise method of testing lag that someone mentioned earlier? That's really my only concern with this thing... if that's not a problem, I'm sold.
 
aloper said:
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Well from the sound of it , it isn't a big improvement at all over the U2410. Too bad , I'm still curious about the more professional calibration values it can hit but it doesn't really sound all that much better.

Guess I'll continue to wait.
 
aloper said:
Here are my updated thoughts as of now…
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Great review and many thanks.

You talked about the brightness levels. How do you perceive the black levels, do you notice back light bleed, and do you notice IPS glow coming from the corners?

Thanks a million!
 
Godmachine said:
Well from the sound of it , it isn't a big improvement at all over the U2410. Too bad , I'm still curious about the more professional calibration values it can hit but it doesn't really sound all that much better.

Guess I'll continue to wait.
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I don't see how it can be much better than the U2410 when it effectively is a U2410, even down to the electronic behaviour.
 
Could be better if they had more stringent quality control... Also coating is a bit different.

Whoisthisreally said:
I don't see how it can be much better than the U2410 when it effectively is a U2410, even down to the electronic behaviour.
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And I found another stuck pixel.... this one also near the center but it appears to be nearly dead as it's not noticeable from normal viewing distance. Amazon shipped another which will be here on Tuesday.

I did an online calibration this morning and I'm more pleased with the colors. The black levels, however, are not as good as the MVA panel sitting next to it.
 
If you dl the trial version of BasICColor you could measure the black level for us. Light AG+good black level=buy. Surely it cant be as bad as the U2410, besides most of the recently reviewed IPS panels have had very good blacks.
 
The stuck pixels worry me; with regards to black level are you sure the brightness is not too high ? WIth LCD (ips, pva,...) I believe that excess brightness will washout the blacks. I would presume that calibration would cover the brightness but who knows.

BigDH01 said:
And I found another stuck pixel.... this one also near the center but it appears to be nearly dead as it's not noticeable from normal viewing distance. Amazon shipped another which will be here on Tuesday.

I did an online calibration this morning and I'm more pleased with the colors. The black levels, however, are not as good as the MVA panel sitting next to it.
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so if you want to impress the ladies, the Asus is the way to go!
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LOL Asus gets the chicks...only in a computer forum.:p Thanks for your review and Hohum too.
 
Whoisthisreally said:
I don't see how it can be much better than the U2410 when it effectively is a U2410, even down to the electronic behaviour.
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Which is not a bad thing, the latest revision u2410 is a great monitor. The Aus improves on it with more calibration options, more inputs, better quality control, and a less aggressive AG coat. Let's not forget the u2410 is also $100 more than this when not on sale!!
 
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I recieved mine today and I also have two dead green pixels. :( Not in the centre but Asus qualitycontrol seems to suck!!!

Apart from that the monitor seems allright although the blacks doesnt impress me. Its going back. Will have to wait for something else. Samsung SA850 maybe if it is decently priced.
 
Sorry to hear that Oled! A whole bunch of friends/co-workers bought one too, and 5 out of the 6 I spoke to had at least one dead pixel. Hopefully this is just a problem with the initial batch because it really lets down an otherwise good screen.

I tooled around with the settings more over the weekend and got the colors looking very good - part of this was probably just getting used to an IPS panel again after years of TN screens as well. Also my initial viewing angles problem seemed to rectify itself after a couple of days usage. Overall my impression of this screen definitely improved after a couple of days, but the dead pixels were still enough for me to take it back.

Going to wait on this years' models now, see what we get :)
 
I have a question to owners of PA246Q. What about brightness of this model ? What is minimal setting ?

I'm asking because Dell 2410 is very bright and going down with it decreases contrast and colors quality. HP ZR24W in the other hand does not allow to set luminance below 132 (however keeps contrast stable).

I used to work\play at night, high brightness make my eyes suffer ;)

Thanks in advance for replies.
 
xmartini said:
I have a question to owners of PA246Q. What about brightness of this model ? What is minimal setting ?

I'm asking because Dell 2410 is very bright and going down with it decreases contrast and colors quality. HP ZR24W in the other hand does not allow to set luminance below 132 (however keeps contrast stable).

I used to work\play at night, high brightness make my eyes suffer ;)

Thanks in advance for replies.
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I have the brightness down to 12, but the colors still seem to be very good. I don't have a U2410 or ZR24W to compare, though. This is just side by side with my Samsung T240HD
 
The U2410, U2311 and NEC EA23 look like the AG coating was applied with a Fire-hose! If the Asus has less then that's a terrific improvement to otherwise good displays.The TN Dell P2210H also has this same awful AG coating. I use to swear by Dell monitors but I can't recommend them anymore.

Benq actually has very good AG coatings (THIN) and I even like their "semi-reflective" displays. I just saw a EW2420 and it's not as reflective as some of the other glossy monitors.

To quote TFT Central:
The screen features an almost 'semi-glossy' coating which is a little more shiny than a standard AR coating you will see from most modern monitors. It's not a full glossy solution and so does not suffer from the reflections and issues that some find with that panel coating method. It does however give a nice crisp feel to the image and I expect many people will like it.
 
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Oled said:
I recieved mine today and I also have two dead green pixels. :( Not in the centre but Asus qualitycontrol seems to suck!!!

Apart from that the monitor seems allright although the blacks doesnt impress me. Its going back. Will have to wait for something else. Samsung SA850 maybe if it is decently priced.
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I doubt there is any company that hand inspects each one, maybe Lacie or Eizo. But if you bought it from Amazon like we mentioned in this thread you can return it for no loss at all.
 
Just got my PA246Q today.

This thing is huge!

No dead pixels, no color shifting and back lighting seems to be pretty even.

The stand does not appear to be as good as the Ultrasharp stands though, Swivel is kind of rough and with height adjustment while raising the monitor it sounds like the stand is getting stuck on its self.

Have not had time to do any calibration to it yet though, but out of the box its a very bright monitor and it comes set at 50 brightness. hurts the eyes lol.

So far compared to the U2331h I had for two days before shipping back, out of the box the asus seems a lot better. I don't have that annoying red push to all my colors. The AG coating seems to be a lot better on the asus. Id say its a little worse then the coating on my Acer H233h but better then the U2331H.

camera battery is charging i can post pictures later if you guys like after work.

Eric
 
Well I thought the U2411 had reasonable input lag; this thing seems to have 50ms input lag (from the review above) but a weaker anti-glare coating.
 
According to tftcentral's U2410 review, it has an average input lag of 33.8ms (max 40ms) in standard mode, while in game mode input lag drops down to 14.4ms average (max 20ms). I don't know if ASUS has separate game mode like DELL, but in standard mode their input lag should be very similar, according to the above mentioned review ASUS' input lag falls in range of 30-40ms, with max value of 50ms.
 
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Performance wise, ASUS PA246Q appears to be very similar to the DELL U2410.
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I suspected this is essentially a Dell U2410 in a different case. Asus likely builds the U2411 for Dell.

As far as the AG differences, I am betting that it is largely placebo. This is almost certainly the same panel from LG.
 
Snowdog said:
I suspected this is essentially a Dell U2410 in a different case. Asus likely builds the U2411 for Dell.

As far as the AG differences, I am betting that it is largely placebo. This is almost certainly the same panel from LG.
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Highly doubtful that they build for Dell. Not sure though. But doesnt seem likely.
 
Highly doubtful that they build for Dell. Not sure though. But doesnt seem likely.
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At least electronic and panel are identical. U2410 and PA246Q show the same nonlinear behaviour in the picture mode with access to RGB gain controls.

Best regards

Denis
 
Qisda designs/assembles the U2311 for Dell. Since the rest of the range is so similar in design and functionality, it would be downright odd if Qisda wasn't the manufacturer of those too.
Not sure what Asus really produces these days by themselves when it comes to monitors.
 
tk-don said:
Qisda designs/assembles the U2311 for Dell. Since the rest of the range is so similar in design and functionality, it would be downright odd if Qisda wasn't the manufacturer of those too.
Not sure what Asus really produces these days by themselves when it comes to monitors.
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If Qisda is the OEM for essentially the same monitor for Dell/Asus, the result is the same.

Given that the specs/capability are nearly identical, they ship with with essentially the same components, they both come with similar factory calibration sheets and as Denis reports, they even have similar glitches in control functions, we can be almost certain that these are the same monitors other than the case.
 
Got my replacement monitor for Amazon... same problem! There's a stuck green pixel near the center of the screen. About to give up.
 
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According to tftcentral's U2410 review, it has an average input lag of 33.8ms (max 40ms) in standard mode, while in game mode input lag drops down to 14.4ms average (max 20ms). I don't know if ASUS has separate game mode like DELL, but in standard mode their input lag should be very similar, according to the above mentioned review ASUS' input lag falls in range of 30-40ms, with max value of 50ms.
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Yikes! As a FPS gamer, I may have to pass on current gen IPS tech if the input lag numbers are this high. I'd essentially be tripling my current input lag max...
 
Last year I watched this monitor.
http://www.techfresh.net/asus-pa246q-professional-lcd-monitor/

I watched and watched and watched ....and nothing happened. Now they put this model out which does look like the dell U2410. Frankly I liked the design of the above monitor better. I got the U2410 when it came out and it was TERRIBLE. The colors were really pink/green and the text gave me headaches. Sent it back!!!

I received this one today from Amazon and it is a huge visual improvement. It dwarves my space though, like a dinosaur. I can't understand why they went with this design rather than something more streamlined. I thought the color looked pretty good out of the box, but I had a red pixel. Going to try calibrating before I decide what to do. Really wish I could get 2 smaller ips technology monitors I like. Right now I have a crt for my monitor and have used it to death. Also, my nvidia 285 gpu is running 10 degrees hotter with this monitor. Really don't know what to do. Has anyone seen this: LG E2370V 23" 1920 x 1080 $400 Gaming orientated IPS monitor. LED backlit? Supposidly released in Japan.
 
After reading all posts here that mention stuck/defective pixels, I'm having second thoughts about this monitor. In addition to this Amazon also removed this monitor from their store (it can only be bought from third-party sellers), which I'm guessing is due to higher return rate because of pixel defects. And after really bad experience while trying to buy DELL U2410 (I went through three units with various defects, before giving up), I was really hoping that this monitor would be my next purchase. Though luck.
 
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After reading all posts here that mention stuck/defective pixels, I'm having second thoughts about this monitor. In addition to this Amazon also removed this monitor from their store (it can only be bought from third-party sellers), which I'm guessing is due to higher return rate because of pixel defects. And after really bad experience while trying to buy DELL U2410 (I went through three units with various defects, before giving up), I was really hoping that this monitor would be my next purchase. Though luck.
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Looks to me like their QC is poor just like dell's was. It is downright painful to buy one of these monitors because most stores won't take the risk and you have to buy on the net. Even though I was within the 14 days return period and had a seriously defective U2410, Dell kept me on the phone the entire day before I got any RMA to send it back and they were very determined to make me accept a replacement. They continued to sell the bad stock because I watched that model for about 6 months hoping to get a better unit. Many people still had the same issues. I can say that this unit is A LOT better out of the box than the U2410. It is like flipping a coin as to whether you will get a good monitor from most of the manufacturers. I began building my computer in 2009 from that great evga Classified X58 MOBO and still do not have a great monitor to go along with it!
 
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Looks to me like their QC is poor just like dell's was.
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That is probably because the Asus monitor shows evidence that it effectively is a U2410 clone. If the controller has an identical fault to the U2410 with a panel that is identical to the U2410, and knowing that neither Asus nor Dell produce their own monitors, it is reasonable to expect that they may come from the same production line.

Or am I wrong?
 
mr.maX said:
After reading all posts here that mention stuck/defective pixels, I'm having second thoughts about this monitor. In addition to this Amazon also removed this monitor from their store (it can only be bought from third-party sellers), which I'm guessing is due to higher return rate because of pixel defects. And after really bad experience while trying to buy DELL U2410 (I went through three units with various defects, before giving up), I was really hoping that this monitor would be my next purchase. Though luck.
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I'm sending mine back and Amazon is not offering a replacement. I just ordered a 2410, I figure I can at least give that model a shot. I've seen stuck pixels that appeared to be "partially stuck" in that they were always on but dim (in fact, the first Asus I got had this). These pixels I can't see at normal viewing distance. However, these stuck green pixels are stuck completely and really glow green. They were only not visible when the color on the screen was close to white. I immediately notice them just by starting WiC. They really stick out.

Also, both of my models had really poor blacks in the lower-right portion of the screen. Lower-left wasn't bad, but right was pretty bad. This led me to the conclusion earlier in this thread that the BenQ has better blacks.... it is to the right of this monitor. The colors look amazing, and I could probably live with that discoloration, but the constant glow of those stuck pixels would always bother me. I would probably wait awhile before trying this monitor out. It looks like the green stuck pixel issue might be widespread.
 
I was going to buy this monitor, but for $500, I think I'll wait or try another. Sad days that for $500 you really get is a bunch of defects.
 
so disappointing. looks like there is a market monopoly. one panel fits them all. if this monitor doesn't deliver I can't imagine what will. I don't see any big releases in the near future.
 
Every one is complaining about the QC of Dell. While true, at least they have a 100% panel warranty. Even one dead pixel they will exchange for a new one. Ausus, you need to have >5 dead pixels to obtain a manufacturers exchange. All your returns are due to Amazon's return policy. Without that you are SOL or pay the shipping and re stocking fee.

Dell is selling the U2410 today at $429. So for more inputs and a better warranty and if, the AG doesn't bother, its a great deal. But only for those living in Camelot (Canada).
 
the asus pixel policy is baloney. I would not buy one of their monitors and risk 4-5 dead pixels.
it's a good guess that amazon stopped selling the monitors directly due to poor quality. also this is the first batch though.
 
Or it could be that they are out of stock. They don't list things that are out of stock, they just drop it and let one of the other vendors have the busniess until they have stock again. Whith the number of people reporting stuck/dead pixels it is a bust anyway.
 
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