New Phenom II

Not that i know of, look at getting the 970, chances are the OC will be the same on the 975
 
Thanks, I was just wondering because I have seen a couple reviews but not much publicity.
 
I would have swore they were already out.Thought someone on the forums had bought one.Quick look at newegg shows the 1075 and 970.Guess not.
 
The first five reviews that Google found all overclocked the 975 but failed to touch the CPU-NB at all. I don't know why reviewers even bother to overclock if they aren't going to use the techniques that have been common knowledge since the release of the 940BE. One review even mentioned certain benchmarks not scaling with the overclock due to a memory bottleneck and failed to catch the obvious solution.:(
 
DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
The first five reviews that Google found all overclocked the 975 but failed to touch the CPU-NB at all. I don't know why reviewers even bother to overclock if they aren't going to use the techniques that have been common knowledge since the release of the 940BE. One review even mentioned certain benchmarks not scaling with the overclock due to a memory bottleneck and failed to catch the obvious solution.:(
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yeah, even on my old x2 7750, overclocking the NB/L3 made a nice difference
 
DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
The first five reviews that Google found all overclocked the 975 but failed to touch the CPU-NB at all. I don't know why reviewers even bother to overclock if they aren't going to use the techniques that have been common knowledge since the release of the 940BE. One review even mentioned certain benchmarks not scaling with the overclock due to a memory bottleneck and failed to catch the obvious solution.:(
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Judging from the way things are going with the latest Sandy Bridges, multiplier only overclocking may be all that is left. I wonder whether AMD is going to do the same thing with Bulldozer by tying everything to a central clock like the SB's. As a result, the K series can only be overclocked stably by upping the multiplier.
 
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Judging from the way things are going with the latest Sandy Bridges, multiplier only overclocking may be all that is left. I wonder whether AMD is going to do the same thing with Bulldozer by tying everything to a central clock like the SB's. As a result, the K series can only be overclocked stably by upping the multiplier.
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Yes, that would make it simpler but it would also limit you to the weakest link of the two. While the ratio of core to NB overclocks shows an obvious trend there are always outliers. As someone who knows enough to overclock the CPU-NB I wouldn't want the option taken away for simplicity alone. Besides, it is far easier for people to learn how to tweak the CPU-NB multiplier and voltage (since it's the same concept at core overclocking anyway) than it is for AMD to redesign the processor.
 
Apart from being AMD fanboy/hwbot record hunter/having old am2/3 mobo why would anyone buy this cpu ?
 
Michaelius said:
Apart from being AMD fanboy/hwbot record hunter/having old am2/3 mobo why would anyone buy this cpu ?
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It does not really make a lot of sense unless you already have an am3 board. If you had to buy a new new motherboard you would do better in bang for buck, performance and power usage in a SB i5-2300 or i5-2400 chip. Although neither of these i5s would be good for overclocking and there should not be any restrictions on overclocking on the 975. But then if you are overclocking you do not need this chip you can get a lower model instead and probably get the same overclock.
 
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Screw Intel. Gaming performance is equal and in almost everything else as well. If you do alot of video and photo editing it may be worth it. But if all you do is game, send and receive emails upload photos from your cameras and phones and then to Facebook or whatever save your money and go with AMD. Intel cost more, the upgrade path, you'd better choose wisely or the socket you pick up could be the next one axed in favor of another making the upgrade a whole new setup again. AMD is about to release Bulldozer so the idea of the 975 seems kinda pointless to me. I'd wait it out because I think it would be worth it. Bulldozer will almost definitely be way cheaper that Intel's offering at that time. And if you got the 990 motherboard it would be backwards compatible with the current AM3 processors out there so the options are wide opened on the AMD side. It will also leave alot more cash in the wallet too.
 
drescherjm said:
It does not really make a lot of sense unless you already have an am3 board. If you had to buy a new new motherboard you would do better in bang for buck, performance and power usage in a SB i5-2300 or i5-2400 chip. Although neither of these i5s would be good for overclocking and there should not be any restrictions on overclocking on the 975. But then if you are overclocking you do not need this chip you can get a lower model instead and probably get the same overclock.
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Dear Drescherjm,

You describe the situation 100% exactly and correctly. This is the scenario with AMD now. Most hardcore users know there are basically no practical differences between Phenom II X2 X3 X4 BE processors, clock-wise, sans the failed core that cannot be unlocked. Therefore few are paying for highest end parts. To match counter options' performance you need to overclock to very high, which increase power usage, heat, and cooling demand on the entire setup. In addition to that, even Athlon II X3/X4 can be clocked to extreme (harder due to multiplier lock).

(Per the record, I suspect majority users do not need overclocking, stock performance for many processors are good enough, but we are talking about overclockers domain here)

Thus, in one way, it is very good value for budget users. In another way, very few are paying for highest-end. And if they are seriously paying top dollars, Drescherjm's post is in focus.

Again, this is only relevant for self-built markets. OEM market follows different logic.
 
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