GTX 470 vs. 6870

vjcsmoke said:
You're assuming that Nvidia isn't doing a paper launch. I wouldn't put money on it.
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Same. I don't expect anything high end from Nvidia until March 2011. If they are calling the next card a GTX 580, they are releasing a whole new gen of cards. It will take longer to release than a refresh.
I wanted to buy a 470 to step up but I only will get stuck with it in January after the 90 days is up.
 
If overclocking is desired, there was this one reviewer that got the 6870 to 1200Mhz on air with a voltage mod, but I would wait for custom PCBs that support voltage control. (The site was Romanian, I saw the link over at OCN)
 
Nightbird said:
If overclocking is desired, there was this one reviewer that got the 6870 to 1200Mhz on air with a voltage mod, but I would wait for custom PCBs that support voltage control. (The site was Romanian, I saw the link over at OCN)
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that was NOT a normal setup either. it was a massive cooler, lots of voltage and at 5 C.

most 6870 cards cant even more than 5-6% without additional voltage.
 
RM_Bulldog said:
STILL sitting on 2 260s in sli and most cards that come out are either way to expensive or underwhelming performance wise
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Same here. I was thinking about upgrading to GTX460 SLI but I am having doubts.:confused:
 
Im still waiting on a real upgrade to my 260GTX that isnt a firehouse like Fermi. I really wish Nvidia would launch the 384 core GT104. That sounds like what I am looking for.
 
Cali3350 said:
Im still waiting on a real upgrade to my 260GTX that isnt a firehouse like Fermi. I really wish Nvidia would launch the 384 core GT104. That sounds like what I am looking for.
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same here. I keep looking at newegg prices and then looking at the benchmarks thinking 6850/gtx460 just isn't going to be worth it. I paid 184 bucks 2 years ago for my gtx260 and all I can get after all this time is a 20-30% increase for the same money. lame
 
Its remarkable how little performance has improved unless your willing to spend a lot of money. The 6870 would be an upgrade yes, but not the kind im looking for.
 
It really seems to have become a features/efficiency competition lately. Nvidia is IMO winning features and of course AMD has got efficiency in the bag.
 
cannondale06 said:
most 6870 cards cant even more than 5-6% without additional voltage.
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It is *way* too early to make that call with any sort of accuracy whatsoever. Especially since some reviewers were getting engineering samples. Wait for retail cards and wait to see what people are actually able to get, THEN you can start talking about how the 6870 OCs.

Siryak said:
It really seems to have become a features/efficiency competition lately. Nvidia is IMO winning features and of course AMD has got efficiency in the bag.
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AMD has features I actually give a shit about, though, lol.

GPU PhysX? Batman is fun, but I'm not buying a video card for a single game.
CUDA? Nothing I use supports it.
3D? I'll keep my IPS, thank you very much.

MLAA? Fuck yes!
Superior AF? Yes please!
Single card Eyefinity? This is a requirement IMO
DisplayPort 1.2? The idea of running a single cable to a hub that drives 3 monitors is very appealing to me (since I've got DP monitors)

AMD just seems more focused on features for gamers.
 
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Nightbird said:
If overclocking is desired, there was this one reviewer that got the 6870 to 1200Mhz on air with a voltage mod, but I would wait for custom PCBs that support voltage control. (The site was Romanian, I saw the link over at OCN)
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If I recall correctly, aren't the reference boards the only ones that allow voltage control vs non reference? I've always associated non reference with the manufacturer cheaping out on cost in gerenal with added flashy wording on their box to make up for em.
 
not really that impressed with 6870 almost on par with 470 when 470 came out 10+ months before
 
umcpgrad said:
not really that impressed with 6870 almost on par with 470 when 470 came out 10+ months before
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Like said above the 6870 is the sucessor of the 5770, ie they renamed the series. The chip is a complete win for them as it competes with Nvidia's high end cards from AMD mid range bracket forcing Nvidia to sell their cards at a loss.

The naming scheme change is a complete loose though. At least when Nvidia did it rebranding it did the rebrand into either a slightly faster card in the same bracket or in a lower bracket slot. This has to be on of stupider things I have ever seen them do. They have done nothing but cause confusion here. It can be seen in every thread about the 6800 series, some one misses the scheme change. They seem to be able make some kick ass hardware, they just need to steal some of Nvidia marketing people.
 
Valset said:
At least when Nvidia did it rebranding it did the rebrand into either a slightly faster card in the same bracket or in a lower bracket slot.
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8800GTX -> 9800GTX(slower) -> GTS250 -> GTS3something or other.

What you said is not true.
 
Valset said:
Like said above the 6870 is the sucessor of the 5770, ie they renamed the series. The chip is a complete win for them as it competes with Nvidia's high end cards from AMD mid range bracket forcing Nvidia to sell their cards at a loss.

The naming scheme change is a complete loose though. At least when Nvidia did it rebranding it did the rebrand into either a slightly faster card in the same bracket or in a lower bracket slot. This has to be on of stupider things I have ever seen them do. They have done nothing but cause confusion here. It can be seen in every thread about the 6800 series, some one misses the scheme change. They seem to be able make some kick ass hardware, they just need to steal some of Nvidia marketing people.
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Oh please don't even joke about AMD getting Nvidia marketing people. I do NOT want to have to deal with name change every time they release new series of cards.

Also you can also look at the name change in relation to the last gen performance rather than their position in the series. For example, 6850 = about same performance as 5850, 6870 = about the same as 5870. Although it's not quite exact, it doesn't give me too much trouble putting them in my head in terms of where they belong in the large scheme of GPU's available today based on performance/dollar.

Nvidia on the other hand simply tried to trick people into thinking that new gen cards are higher in performance because the name change incorrectly implied being new when they were infact the same old GPU. I rather take AMD's scheme than Nvidia's any day
 
i am quite the gamer, and i run all my games at 1900x1200

I have been rocking my ati 4870 for awhile now. Its a good card runs all my games at this resolution.

The AMD 6870 is the first card that i see as a good upgrade for my system. Sure the 5850, and 5870 would be good choices but kinda to much $$ to spend on such a card. 350$ for the 5870, and 250$ for the 5850. Now Amd releases the 6870, which I can get for 240$ which has the performance closer to the 5870, plus all the benefits of dx 11, 3d blue ray support, few form of AA, and uses less power than my current video card.

Thank you Amd for coming out with a GREAT product, you just willed me to upgrade my current card, so i can turn up the AA, and AF in my games, be quieter, use less power, and be all ready for Dx 11, and well watch 3d blueray movies, which my pc dubs as the blueray player+ 7.1 surround sound, better 2d display.

While some people will agrue over the name, of 6870 and 6850, prolly should have been dubbed the 6750 and 6770. But meh its just a name. Interesting results with the crossfire setups as well, seems the 6870 crossfire is every bit as fast as the 5870 crossfire.

I was looking at the geforce 460 but didn't want to go over to what i call the dark side. I prefer amd/ati parts. The gtx 470 is ok card, but dang! its a space heater, my friend has one, while it overclocked well, his computer room is every bit of 10 degrees warmer than the rest of his place. Guess its a good way to get those chunky lazy gamers to loose some weight and consume more expenisve energy drinks.
 
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Cali3350 said:
8800GTX -> 9800GTX(slower) -> GTS250 -> GTS3something or other.

What you said is not true.
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yes it is. the 9800GTX was on paper faster. and the cards always ranked lower in their half ass naming scheme there after.
 
PotatoChip said:
Oh please don't even joke about AMD getting Nvidia marketing people. I do NOT want to have to deal with name change every time they release new series of cards.

Also you can also look at the name change in relation to the last gen performance rather than their position in the series. For example, 6850 = about same performance as 5850, 6870 = about the same as 5870. Although it's not quite exact, it doesn't give me too much trouble putting them in my head in terms of where they belong in the large scheme of GPU's available today based on performance/dollar.

Nvidia on the other hand simply tried to trick people into thinking that new gen cards are higher in performance because the name change incorrectly implied being new when they were infact the same old GPU. I rather take AMD's scheme than Nvidia's any day
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I get your point but as shady as Nvidia was about it (and it was blatantly misleading) it was actually still in some kind of order. in a way a Nvidia rename scheme would have caused less confusion here. This was pure stupidly by AMD here
 
Valset said:
I get your point but as shady as Nvidia was about it (and it was blatantly misleading) it was actually still in some kind of order. in a way a Nvidia rename scheme would have caused less confusion here. This was pure stupidly by AMD here
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Try again, only hardcore Nvidia fans could understand that naming scheme that Nvidia used there for awhile. Cards named 8800 with letter like GT, GTS, & GTX following them. Then the big issue with 9800 cards testing slower than some 8800s.

In each AMD series the number scheme matches performance levels. While it's a little goofy the 6800 series matches the 5800 series while leaving room on AMD's low end GPU chart for APUs coming out in the next 6-9 months. Not to mention we still have AMD's 6900 series coming as the high end parts.
 
Valset said:
I get your point but as shady as Nvidia was about it (and it was blatantly misleading) it was actually still in some kind of order. in a way a Nvidia rename scheme would have caused less confusion here. This was pure stupidly by AMD here
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Not really, 9800GTX was slower then an 8800 Ultra, and sometimes slower then the 8800GTX, just used less power. How does that make any sense :p

Anyway, at least they didn't bother renaming the 5770 to 6770 to get sales!

still the 6870 is a bit confusing, even though at times it is faster then the 5870, it's not the greatest move, but it's priced properly at the very least.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
still the 6870 is a bit confusing, even though at times it is faster then the 5870, it's not the greatest move, but it's priced properly at the very least.
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It was kind of a confusing move, only because they still have the 5850 and 5870 around, once those are gone it'll seem normal again. At least they made those nice charts to show how the new cards all line up, +1 for the marketing department.
 
I wonder what AMD is going to do with the 5850 now that the 6870 is kicking its ass?
 
Ok, after reading the thread and learning more about the features and efficiency, the 6870 seems like the obvious choice unless Nvidia drops the price of the GTX470 to say....$199. I want to go Nvidia this time around but AMD sure makes it hard to with their lower price and more efficient cards. Is the IQ some how better in 6800 series as previously posted?
 
Zake202 said:
Yes yes
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You edited your thread after I read it, but I thought you said you had a 512mb... If it was a 4850 1GB I would probably hold off upgrading, but since it's not I would be super tempted to pick up a 460 1GB or 6850 (it's funny all the bickering, just get whichever one is cheaper, a few fps is nothing to argue about!)

Right now the cheapest 6850 i find is $188, and 460 is $194-$20MIR = $174. I don't mind rebates, so I would get the 460, but if you don't like them get the 6850!
 
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The only thing the close competition between the 6870 and 470 right now is forcing me to wait for the 6970 right now.. Man do i hate waiting..
 
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Bah! I would, but 6870's gone. Could it really make up that much difference though? Care to post a graph?
 
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