Android fragmentation, might make me go back to iPhone

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I think fragmentation on Android is hitting a head now, with the upcoming Gingerbread 2.3 release. Was reading some tech sites, and how Samsung still does NOT have Froyo 2.2 out on their Galaxy-S phones yet, and word today that most likely 2.3 will not be coming if at all to those phones next year.

And then someone made a good point, even the HTC or Motorola phones are lucky to get just one OS update to the phone you bought, very rarely will get 2 OS updates over the life of the phone. EVO 4G owners got the 2.2 Froyo pretty quick, but no one expects a 2.3 release anytime soon. Same with the Droids on Verizon, good luck seeing an official 2.3 Gingerbread on the Droid-X or Droid 2, and when if they do, will be after Honeycomb is the hot release and been out for awhile.

I am no Apple fanboy, last phone I had was the iPhone3G, and when I bought brand new 2 years ago, it was cool, didn't love it, didn't hate it. My current phone is the EVO 4G, a total bad ass awesomely fast phone, but the battery life is a fucking joke, so bad I need to ditch it ASAP, it is rated the worst smartphone compared to all other Androids and iPhones for 3G talk time, the EVO getting only 3.95 hours, the iPhone 4 gets 7.4 hours, and Droid-X like 7.95 hours.

My point is, I can kind of see Apple's view, on just releasing one cool phone just once per year. So if you buy a new iPhone, you know you have the best they offer until next year, and if there is a new OS update, you just download it for free, and every one gets it. Where with Android you can buy the best Droid today with 2.3, and not even 3 - 4 months later there will be an even faster phone out with 2.4 OS, and your old phone won't even get that update possibly.

blah blah blah...opinions ?
 
I still like my X over my room mate's iphone, although the iphone is in my opinion the best apple product. My room mate complains that he's running out of space on his flash memory and can't upgrade while I'm sitting pretty with a 16GB uSD card. Other than that, I feel like they're pretty similar phones, though I haven't yet had time to explore all the applications. I do like that I'm not restricted to the apple app store.

Fragmentation does seem to be an issue, but is it the fault of google or the carriers?
 
I guess if you don't want fragmentation get only a pure "Google" Nexus phone. But I am curious to see how it plays out with the original Nexus-One. Will they truly get 2.3 Gingerbread just a week or so after Nexus-S comes out, or will they get hosed until next year.

And then even bigger will the original Nexus-One continue to get updated like the N-S with Honeycomb release ? It should because hardware wise the two Nexus are rather similar, not night and day different.

So the best iPhone type of smartphone for Android seems to just be a "Nexus" ?which is fine by me.
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So, what's your point? :D

Stated battery life in the specs is far different from real-world usage: is your EVO actually getting only 4 hours of use, more or less? Have you tried rooting it to be able to install a low-power consumption kernel? I could go on with the things you can do to improve a lot of the aspects of the EVO but, I'm sure one trip over to the XDA-Developers forums can do more than I can in a single post.

No device is perfect, that's a given, not even iPhones which many consider to be severely lacking in most everything, to be honest. I've got an HD2 that HTC has basically orphaned even in spite of it being a rather superior piece of hardware a year+ after introduction.

And considering that it was never designed to do so, it actually runs Android better than most Android powered phones do - and it's running the OS from the microSD cards, not natively on the Flash storage of the device itself or from the NAND memory. HyperDroid, the build I prefer to use, shows my HD2 at 1 GHz outperforms the original Nexus One running at 1 GHz running the same Android 2.2 OS by nearly 60% based on Quadrant scores.

And work is already underway by those talented folks over at XDA on getting a 2.3 Gingerbread build on the HD2 sometime soon - far sooner than HTC would that's for sure. :)

And again, I don't even use the HD2 as a phone, it's basically a modern PocketPC for me and my purposes but if I want to I can get unlimited everything for $60 a month starting today, I just don't need another bill and I already have a cell phone.

I have to say that when I buy a device, pretty much any device like PDAs, PMPs, DAPs, or even smartphones (that I don't use as smartphones), before I do buy I typically spend a great deal of time doing research on the given device, and I never buy them the day they hit the market, ever. I always wait and give the device some time to get situated, for people to get their hands on them, do teardowns, find out what they're capable of, and of course the all-too-important tweaking and hacking things that I find keeps me interested.

In that respect alone I fully expect to still be using this HD2 for years to come.

I really can't comprehend why some folks - present company excluded, mind you - feel it so necessary to continually keep replacing the devices they buy. I've got an iPhone 2G sitting around here someplace, and it's still 100% functional as a smartphone as it was originally designed. Is it as fast as the iPhone 4? Nope. Is it as sharp and clear, or have the battery life? Nope. Is it still useful? Damned straight it is, I can even put Android on it for Pete's Sake. :D

We're a disposable society and it's getting worse. Instead of buying stuff that gets replaced when it stops working, we completely and totally dump shit nowadays that still works just fine in search of the next bigger faster more hella cool shinier prettier more hipster fashionable bullshit just because some ad/marketing shill says so.

I'll never figure it out...
 
defiant007 said:
Uh....I just updated my galaxy S to Froyo a couple of hours ago using samsung's kies software :eek:
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I was reading a site this morning with people complaining it did not work for the U.S. Vibrant phones. The kies locked it or something ?
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Zorachus said:
I think fragmentation on Android is hitting a head now, with the upcoming Gingerbread 2.3 release. Was reading some tech sites, and how Samsung still does NOT have Froyo 2.2 out on their Galaxy-S phones yet, and word today that most likely 2.3 will not be coming if at all to those phones next year.

And then someone made a good point, even the HTC or Motorola phones are lucky to get just one OS update to the phone you bought, very rarely will get 2 OS updates over the life of the phone. EVO 4G owners got the 2.2 Froyo pretty quick, but no one expects a 2.3 release anytime soon. Same with the Droids on Verizon, good luck seeing an official 2.3 Gingerbread on the Droid-X or Droid 2, and when if they do, will be after Honeycomb is the hot release and been out for awhile.

I am no Apple fanboy, last phone I had was the iPhone3G, and when I bought brand new 2 years ago, it was cool, didn't love it, didn't hate it. My current phone is the EVO 4G, a total bad ass awesomely fast phone, but the battery life is a fucking joke, so bad I need to ditch it ASAP, it is rated the worst smartphone compared to all other Androids and iPhones for 3G talk time, the EVO getting only 3.95 hours, the iPhone 4 gets 7.4 hours, and Droid-X like 7.95 hours.

My point is, I can kind of see Apple's view, on just releasing one cool phone just once per year. So if you buy a new iPhone, you know you have the best they offer until next year, and if there is a new OS update, you just download it for free, and every one gets it. Where with Android you can buy the best Droid today with 2.3, and not even 3 - 4 months later there will be an even faster phone out with 2.4 OS, and your old phone won't even get that update possibly.

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Blah blah blah is right. The whole argument about fragmentation is bullshit made by the iCult because they're getting their asses beat. The normal Joe and Jane Average don't give a shit about what version of Android they have. They just want a phone that gives them access to e-mail, Internet, Twitter, and fucking Facebook. Which is what the average iPhone user cares about as well.

My wife has a Droid Incredible and she has NO idea what Android 2.3 even is. She leaves it to me to make her phone the best it can be. Skyraider Sense 3.3.4 for her until Android 2.3 hits and Skyraider gets updated to that. My mother-in-law has a Droid and doesn't even know that Android can do so much more. My sister-in-law has a Droid Eris but has no clue that Android 2.3 has been ported nor does she even care.

Just root, load up a custom ROM, install SetCPU, customize to your hearts content, crush iPhone under Android's foot, and be done with it. That's the point of Android anyways. Here I'll help you out:

http://www.unrevoked.com - Root EVO.

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/5287-cyanogenmod-61-for-evo-now-with-100-more-fm-v610-12052010/ - CyanogenMod AOSP built ROM. The best IMO.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=653 - Plenty of other EVO ROMs.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419 - SetCPU for controlling your CPU better and most likely doubling battery life.

Enjoy!
 
I do like my EVO 4G a lot. Just the battery life sucks balls no matter what root and setcpu offered me on this. I use my phone, god forbid as an actual phone, what a concept. And email clients and suppliers all day while out in road and job sites. And Google maps everyday for directions to new jobs. And this EVO dies in half a day of he
avy use. Even the car charger can't keep it up, still goes down faster than it will charge. I just think this EVO is a power hungry device, wthst can't handle all workday use.

How people can have a phone and not use it all day I don't understand ? But them again I run my own business which is heavily sales involved so being connected all day is a must.

I will see what this Nexus-S reviews like for battery life. Might go that route and T-Mobile has crazy good monthly packages the cheapest in the U.S. for a major carrier.
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Two suggestions:

a) external battery back of some kind, they're out there, you just have to find one. I know of some folks that have EVOs and I swear, the only time I have ever seen them put the god damned things down is when they're taking a piss I think, and if they could still hold it effectively during that activity they probably would.

b) your particular EVO is defective, if the battery issues are that bad. I would suspect this could be the case more than anything else if you've actually rooted it and used SetCPU on it (and I'm going to assume you understood how to use it effectively). Also, using an entirely "new" custom ROM as Vermillion suggested is highly recommended.

Companies make the hardware, Google makes the OS, and rarely the two meet in an efficient method. The folks over at XDA-Developers seem to know more about the hardware and the Android OS than HTC and Google does, oddly enough.

They can find ways to milk more performance and battery life from those devices, it's amazing what they're making them capable of accomplishing. I know that before I started using Android on this HD2 (meaning I was just using Windows Mobile 6.5) I'd probably have to recharge once a day, typically while I'm sleeping as rarely as that happens.

But with Android, a low-power kernel, some other tweaks, SetCPU, etc, I don't plug it in except maybe once every 3 days now, and I do quite a bit with this thing actually. I do watch a lot of videos on it when I'm out and about, read eBooks, listen to tunes, do surfing as required, etc - and I'm on Wi-Fi almost always as I don't use the 3G circuit.

Seriously, if that EVO is that bad it's either defective or just needs some tender loving tweaks I'd say.

If you don't want it, of course, I'll give you my address in a PM. :p
 
If your worried about getting updates for your Android phone, then your not very [H]ard.. Look around for your phone & root the damn thing & put what you want on it. The roms available for most of them are amazing.

Hell you can get Froyo on a G1.. Thats the most current OS version, on the Oldest Publicly available android device.


Zorachus said:
I will see what this Nexus-S reviews like for battery life. Might go that route and T-Mobile has crazy good monthly packages the cheapest in the U.S. for a major carrier.
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If your buying the phone outright then the plans get even cheaper. For individual plans there normally like 10-15 dollars cheaper for the "even more plus" plans compared to the "even more" plans they have listed on there website.
 
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Why do you even care if you are getting an update or not? You're an idiot for buying an EVO if battery life is that important to you....there are a myriad of other phones out there with much better battery life and you chose the one with the worst. It's not Android's fault you couldn't research your purchases properly.
 
Blown 89 said:
Why do you even care if you are getting an update or not? You're an idiot for buying an EVO if battery life is that important to you....there are a myriad of other phones out there with much better battery life and you chose the one with the worst. It's not Android's fault you couldn't research your purchases properly.
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I didn't realize it was that bad, most reviews didn't make a huge deal out it, until after I by the phone :rolleyes: Shame on HTC and Sprint for releasing a defective design, that's piss poor customer care.

It is not my imagination or my specific phone that is bad, the EVO is dead last for battery out of 2010 smart phones. The iPhone 4 and Motorola Droids are like 100% better for longer lasting battery, that is fucking insane.


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The early previews show the Nexus-S to be much better than the EVO for batterry life, I will wait for the Engadget review and a few others before I jump ship. But this quote peaked my interest; " Battery life is good – much, much better than the dismal HTC EVO. We’ve been getting 6+ hours of heavy voice/data usage on the removable 1500 mAh Lithium Ion battery, so battery life is certainly not a big problem compared to other devices we’ve used this year. "
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/06/google-nexus-s-review/

The Nexus S Experience:

We can write all day about a phone, but the real test with us is whether we continue to use it after a post. The EVO and the Droid X were quickly forgotten for us. Michael tested the iPhone 4 but its lack of point to point navigation and unwillingness to play well with Google Voice made him ultimately give it up after a month and move back to the Nexus One (Google Voice has finally made it to the iPhone, but it isn’t as deeply integrated into the OS as on Android, and probably never will be). The Nexus S will almost certainly be his go-to phone for the next few months. Michael is leaving today for a week in Europe, and taking only this phone with him. The fact that it’s unlocked means he can add a sim card once he is in Paris and continue to use it without extravagant additional charges.
 
Hmm, your doing something wrong if your evo is only managing 4hours of battery life :rolleyes:

After a full day, probably 4+hours of listening to music, 30min email sync's on 3 accounts, 1hr news, weather, facebook updates too. Medium to moderate usage during the day:
45% still left, off the charger around 9 AM and back home around 10PM with no issues. Wifi on all the time (even when im not around a network), gps and 4g off.

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investinwaffles said:
Hmm, your doing something wrong if your evo is only managing 4hours of battery life :rolleyes:

After a full day, probably 4+hours of listening to music, 30min email sync's on 3 accounts, 1hr news, weather, facebook updates too. Medium to moderate usage during the day:
45% still left, off the charger around 9 AM and back home around 10PM with no issues. Wifi on all the time (even when im not around a network), gps and 4g off.
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What about actual phone calls ? I am on the phone non stop some some mornings, or at least getting 5 or 6 calls first thing in the morning, and then another dozen or so before lunch. So I would guess 15 - 20 calls by lunch time, easily. Then several e-mails sent and received to suppliers, and a dozen or so texts sent, all before lunch time. Add in checking the [H]ard Forums, and other news sites as well, and lastly throw in a Google maps navigation trip to a job site for 30-45min.

To me that is standard every day phone use, using a phone for a tool it is, a mini laptop, and actual phone call device, which is very helpful in my business. If it can't even handle 4 - 5 hours of that type of use without a recharge, there is something wrong.

Why can the iPhone 4 work no problem doing that for a full day with never needing to be charged until night time, or supposedly the Moto Droids are supposed to be as good too ? To me there is a design flaw on the EVO.
 
Anytime you're in a vehicle - as you stated, you use "Google maps navigation trip to a job site for 30-45min" - are you plugging in and charging when you're on the road?

I'm just curious...
 
Bahamut said:
Anytime you're in a vehicle - as you stated, you use "Google maps navigation trip to a job site for 30-45min" - are you plugging in and charging when you're on the road?

I'm just curious...
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Yes, when in the car, 90% of the time I have it plugged in, especially with Google maps running, but the car charger doesn't seem to give it enough juice, when running maps. Navigation seems to drain the battery faster, than the car charger can keep up.

Both my brother's had the EVO as well, said exact same thing, and they both rooted with C mod 6.0 too. One of my Brothers dumped the EVO in less than the trial 30days, ran back to Apple for only one reason, battery life for a smart phone. He is no Apple fan, likes the open Linux based Android, but needed a phone to last a full work day, and he says doing the exact same functions all day on his iPhone 4, he does not run out of battery until he gets home for the night, even then it still is running, but the EVO would be dead by early afternoon every day for him.
 
Damn, man you folks just have no luck with that phone at all I guess. Want my address? :D :p

Well, you made your point, looks like you'll dump it for an iPhone if that's what works for you. If you are truly TRULY serious about usage and battery life and that phone is your lifeline since you run a business, then I highly suggest getting a Mophie Juice pack for whatever iPhone you happen to get.

iPhone 4 + Juice Pack = slightly larger, slightly heavier = 2 freakin' days of use without breaking a sweat or needing to recharge, seriously. It's worth the cost without even thinking about it - it's a must-have in my opinion if you're a business person that relies on a phone as your primary "device."

Good luck, either way.
 
Zorachus said:
Yes, when in the car, 90% of the time I have it plugged in, especially with Google maps running, but the car charger doesn't seem to give it enough juice, when running maps. Navigation seems to drain the battery faster, than the car charger can keep up.

Both my brother's had the EVO as well, said exact same thing, and they both rooted with C mod 6.0 too. One of my Brothers dumped the EVO in less than the trial 30days, ran back to Apple for only one reason, battery life for a smart phone. He is no Apple fan, likes the open Linux based Android, but needed a phone to last a full work day, and he says doing the exact same functions all day on his iPhone 4, he does not run out of battery until he gets home for the night, even then it still is running, but the EVO would be dead by early afternoon every day for him.
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there is a problem there.. I dont have an evo nor will I ever have one. But I can tell you that my phone charges on the car charger just as fast with maps running as it does without it running. And thats on an MyTouch 3g..

It does seem like almost everyone bashing android is always basing it off of an EVO.. I Wonder if the problem isnt the fact that it was Android?
 
If I had to say, I'd say the EVOs might have a hardware issue - I would not even think about laying the blame on Android, ever, that's insane to some degree. Unless someone could provide proof that Android on that device is sucking down the juice by some errant code or whatever, I would attribute his issues directly to a hardware problem.

Now, whether or not it's just his (and some others) specific EVOs, just a small percentage, or if the entire product line is defective in some respect that Sprint and HTC may be aware of, I can't say.

Damned shame that so many people have so many problems with such an awesome device, ain't it?
 
bastage said:
there is a problem there.. I dont have an evo nor will I ever have one. But I can tell you that my phone charges on the car charger just as fast with maps running as it does without it running. And thats on an MyTouch 3g..

It does seem like almost everyone bashing android is always basing it off of an EVO.. I Wonder if the problem isnt the fact that it was Android?
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Like I said, both my Brothers also dumped their old iPhone 3G this Summer for the hot new Android EVO, and they both said the battery is a fucking joke, like very very bad. The one Brother who uses his phone quite a bit, went back to Apple, and picked up the iPhone 4, and he said it is night and day better with lasting a full day, with heavy extensive use, where the EVO would be dead in half the time or worse.

Don’t Buy The HTC EVO, It Is A Seriously Flawed Device;
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/09/dont-buy-the-android-evo-it-is-a-seriously-flawed-device/

The battery life isn’t just bad, it’s 90′s laptop bad. You need to be near a power source at all times.

I’m an Android Fanboy, and I’m telling you not to buy this device. The battery life is abysmal – MobileCrunch calls it a “dealbreaker” and I agree. Yes you can do a few things to get a little extra time out of it, but this device routinely runs out of power while sitting on standby overnight next to my bed. You aren’t just charging this once a day. Or twice a day. You need to be thinking about your next power fix just about any time you are using it. I keep chargers at home, in my office, in my car, and an extra one to suck power from my laptop. That keeps it going, but it isn’t fun.
 
Bahamut said:
If I had to say, I'd say the EVOs might have a hardware issue - I would not even think about laying the blame on Android, ever, that's insane to some degree.
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I agree, I think the combination of Sense UI, and Sprint bloatware drain it pretty well, and maybe just a bad hardware design in this device in general.

It is NOT Android OS, why are the Moto Droids getting same or better battery life compared to iPhone 4.

I eagerly await some "real hands on" reviews of the Nexus-S, supposedly the battery is much better used in 2.3 Gingerbread, saying 6+ hours of heavy use, that would make it at least 50% better than EVO, and closer to iPhone 4 battery use.
 
It sounds like you need to do a couple of things.

1) Go over to XDA and read a little....you'll see that the Droid X and Evo are FAR from being forgotten about by either the devs or the manufacturers.
2) Get a new battery or phone because yours is obviously defective. Then ask the guys on XDA what you can do to get better battery life because you're obviously doing something wrong.
3) Get the right car charger for it.

Reading your posts it seems like you're hell bent on getting an iPhone for reasons that are entirely your fault. I mean seriously man, if you hate the battery life that much one would think that you would have fixed your car charger problem by getting the right one by now.
 
Blown 89 said:
It sounds like you need to do a couple of things.

1) Go over to XDA and read a little....you'll see that the Droid X and Evo are FAR from being forgotten about by either the devs or the manufacturers.
2) Get a new battery or phone because yours is obviously defective. Then ask the guys on XDA what you can do to get better battery life because you're obviously doing something wrong.
3) Get the right car charger for it.

Reading your posts it seems like you're hell bent on getting an iPhone for reasons that are entirely your fault. I mean seriously man, if you hate the battery life that much one would think that you would have fixed your car charger problem by getting the right one by now.
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I have two different car chargers, and both don't seem to keep up. And I am NOT hell bent on getting an iPhone 4, I hate ATT, just comparing their battery life from a real person who has one, and also had the EVO, my brother.. If anything I am more opt to get the Nexus-S, based on real reviews first and battery life. T-Mobile would be cheaper anyways per month, so a cheaper new phone with longer battery would make me a happy camper.

My phone is rooted and modded with Cyogen 6.0
 
Zorachus said:
I have two different car chargers, and both don't seem to keep up. And I am NOT hell bent on getting an iPhone 4, I hate ATT, just comparing their battery life from a real person who has one, and also had the EVO, my brother.. If anything I am more opt to get the Nexus-S, based on real reviews first and battery life. T-Mobile would be cheaper anyways per month, so a cheaper new phone with longer battery would make me a happy camper.

My phone is rooted and modded with Cyogen 6.0
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Then something's wrong with either your phone or charger. My vibrant had that problem...turns out the two chargers I had weren't rated high enough for the phone. Have you tried replacing the phone?
 
Blown 89 said:
Then something's wrong with either your phone or charger. My vibrant had that problem...turns out the two chargers I had weren't rated high enough for the phone. Have you tried replacing the phone?
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Maybe I do have bad car chargers ? I bought these from Sprint store. What am I looking for as far as better charger, higher voltage or something ? Is that a special order, or found at Sprint too ?
 
Perhaps it's time to try a different android phone. The Droid2 would likely be my pick if I had to choose one right now. Though the DX is VERY nice as well. I still have the original Droid. It's rooted and currently running CM 6.1.0 which has Android 2.2.1. Seems to have given me a nice extra boost in speed without the need to overclock. batt life is still good for what the phone is. seems to have gotten a bit better battery life since I've rooted it as well.
 
Zorachus said:
Like I said, both my Brothers also dumped their old iPhone 3G this Summer for the hot new Android EVO, and they both said the battery is a fucking joke, like very very bad. The one Brother who uses his phone quite a bit, went back to Apple, and picked up the iPhone 4, and he said it is night and day better with lasting a full day, with heavy extensive use, where the EVO would be dead in half the time or worse.

Don’t Buy The HTC EVO, It Is A Seriously Flawed Device;
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/09/dont-buy-the-android-evo-it-is-a-seriously-flawed-device/

The battery life isn’t just bad, it’s 90′s laptop bad. You need to be near a power source at all times.

I’m an Android Fanboy, and I’m telling you not to buy this device. The battery life is abysmal – MobileCrunch calls it a “dealbreaker” and I agree. Yes you can do a few things to get a little extra time out of it, but this device routinely runs out of power while sitting on standby overnight next to my bed. You aren’t just charging this once a day. Or twice a day. You need to be thinking about your next power fix just about any time you are using it. I keep chargers at home, in my office, in my car, and an extra one to suck power from my laptop. That keeps it going, but it isn’t fun.
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Will you take $100 shipped for that seriously flawed EVO?
 
I have an EVO phone and the battery life does suck nuts. It's not that bad for me as the original poster since I don't talk on it more the a couple hours a day. But I do use it a lot for apps, email, and SMS. I can go the whole day without it completely shutting down due to power loss on the battery and not have it plugged in all the time. Now one thing I do, is usually keep the 4G off, since I don't usually have great 4G signal strength and frankly 3G is fast enough for my purposes.

I also haven't rooted it yet, but will soon just to see how that works with 2.3:D

Bottom line, I wouldn't recommend EVO phone to heavy talk users at all. Go with something else. I would like to recommend the DROID lines on Verizon, but there is no simultaneous voice and data use on their network, which smells, and is a deal killer, at least for me.
 
Zorachus said:
Thank you for the info, much appreciated.
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You don't have bad chargers, the phone really is that bad on battery.

I had to go to a 3500 MaH battery just to be on par with the type of battery life I am getting out of the iPhone 4.

I know i am going to get flamed for this, but Android as a whole just isn't that great with regards to battery life. (I've owned 5 different Android handsets, rooted, custom roms, UV, etc.)
 
I am very interested in seeing some good thorough reviews of the Nexus-S, specifically on battery life, supposedly 2.3 is better at task and app management, and does not drain the battery on background running stuff.

If the Nexus-S is on par or very close to the iPhone 4, then for sure buying the N-S, if not I hate to say this but will buy an unlocked and jailbreak an iPhone4 to look like this;
http://www.iphone4jailbreak.org/iphone-4-jailbreak-apps.html
 
crackbone said:
You don't have bad chargers, the phone really is that bad on battery.

I had to go to a 3500 MaH battery just to be on par with the type of battery life I am getting out of the iPhone 4.

I know i am going to get flamed for this, but Android as a whole just isn't that great with regards to battery life. (I've owned 5 different Android handsets, rooted, custom roms, UV, etc.)
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Ignorance at its best.

Android is NOT the issue. The manufacturers not doing everything they can in order to maximize battery life is the issue. Thus why people like me have battery life that is outstanding.
 
Blown 89 said:
If his phone sucks juice faster than the charger can charge it then his chargers are crap.
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lol. I can just picture it, the EVO needs car battery jumper cables on it, to keep it going while running Navigation :D
 
@ OP:
I think you should switch. Do you have a memory card or case you want to sell? You won't need them w/ your iphone.

Vermillion said:
Blah blah blah is right. The whole argument about fragmentation is bullshit made by the iCult
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This post made me decide to install setcpu on my EVO. I pulled it off the charger around 6a this morning. Its now 130p and I'm still @ 81%. Normally it would be down to 50 by now. It has always lasted me about a full day - sometimes a 1.5 days - but now I might push 3!?!

Thank you Vermillion. I've heard about the app, but didn't realize it would scale automatically. I thought I'd have to constantly change the speed. I figured if you're installing it for people who don't know what version of android they have, it must be a simple app.

edit: If I constantly have navigation, wifi, bluetooth, and 4g running (actually connected and working) while taking calls, my phone will also use more power than my car charger will supply. It also turns into a kick ass hand warmer! Thankfully I never have every single feature of the phone working at the same time. Back when we had free tethering via USB, the battery would drain quicker than my laptop could charge it. With wifi tether, I charge from an ac outlet and it stays @ 100%. I think that's just my laptop being weak though. My desktop didn't have that problem.
 
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doctah said:
@ OP:
I think you should switch. Do you have a memory card or case you want to sell? You won't need them w/ your iphone.



This post made me decide to install setcpu on my EVO. I pulled it off the charger around 6a this morning. Its now 130p and I'm still @ 81%. Normally it would be down to 50 by now. It has always lasted me about a full day - sometimes a 1.5 days - but now I might push 3!?!

Thank you Vermillion. I've heard about the app, but didn't realize it would scale automatically. I thought I'd have to constantly change the speed. I figured if you're installing it for people who don't know what version of android they have, it must be a simple app.
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Glad to be of help. Now just start playing with the profiles and you can increase your battery life even further. :D
 
LOL, my EVO has been lasting about 26 hours with heavy use, calls, data and texting. Want to know WHY the battery life sucks out of the box? A few reasons:

1 - Some asshat at HTC made the facebook sync happen every 2 hours. If you have over 100 friends, it's a constant sync loop, and drains the battery QUICK. Change it to once per day, it's only syncing photos and status updates.

2 - People set up multiple email accounts and have them check every 5-15 minutes. If you're pulling in email from multiple accounts twenty times per hour EACH, your battery won't last for shit. Use Push email, have your multiple POP emails get pulled by GMail itself, use your exchange server options (Hotmail, Yahoo, etc) and your battery life increases significantly.

3 - STOP USING A TASK KILLER. Seriously folks, even ATK's author acknowledged that it causes problems on the EVO by releasing an EVO specific version, and even that causes issues. Simple fact is, task killers aren't needed on Android, ESPECIALLY on 2.2+

4 - You don't need an antivirus. This isn't Windows. Take off Lookout, take out AVG's hot mess of an AV, take off Dr Web, etc. All it's doing is slowing your phone and draining your battery.

5 - Turn off GPS and Bluetooth when you're not using it.

6 - SetCPU is good, just don't use it with an undervolted Kernel.
 
entropism said:
LOL, my EVO has been lasting about 26 hours with heavy use, calls, data and texting. Want to know WHY the battery life sucks out of the box? A few reasons:

1 - Some asshat at HTC made the facebook sync happen every 2 hours. If you have over 100 friends, it's a constant sync loop, and drains the battery QUICK. Change it to once per day, it's only syncing photos and status updates.

2 - People set up multiple email accounts and have them check every 5-15 minutes. If you're pulling in email from multiple accounts twenty times per hour EACH, your battery won't last for shit. Use Push email, have your multiple POP emails get pulled by GMail itself, use your exchange server options (Hotmail, Yahoo, etc) and your battery life increases significantly.

3 - STOP USING A TASK KILLER. Seriously folks, even ATK's author acknowledged that it causes problems on the EVO by releasing an EVO specific version, and even that causes issues.

4 - You don't need an antivirus. This isn't Windows. Take off Lookout, take out AVG's hot mess of an AV, take off Dr Web, etc. All it's doing is slowing your phone and draining your battery.

5 - Turn off GPS and Bluetooth when you're not using it.

6 - SetCPU is good, just don't use it with an undervolted Kernel.
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Totally agree with all but the latter of number 6. Why not use with undervolted kernel? Many people have been using it with undervolted kernels for a long time, myself included and it works just fine.
 
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