NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 Video Card Review @ [H]

dajet24 said:
good card just not sure its $130 better then the 6870..
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One could just as easily say the 6870 is not $50 better than a 460. $349 for a chip that is faster than anything the competition has to offer is pretty darn good these days.

High end gear is not for everyone. Myself I went for a 470 for under $200 that benchmarks show beating a 6870. To each his own I guess.
 
dadman said:
Because the HD6870 is a MID-RANGE card.The GTX570 is Nvidias second fastest card, or a high end card. So, for $100 less i can get almost the same performance from my mid-range card compared to Nvidias high-end card. Bang for Buck, performance/dollar, etc.And besides, this is pretty much another rebrand of the 480. But whatever floats your boat go for it.;)
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If your looking at the best for the bang for the buck card, mid range cards always come at the top. It's a more efficient 480 with the cost of 350 compared to 500 when the 480 came out. There is a reason why it received the gold [H] award.
 
No guys, I'm talking about the HD 6970 being 75% more powerful than HD 6870.

Here is why: 1920 / 1120 = 1.71 = 71% more shaders.

nVidia has the same model: GTX 280 had 240 SPs; GTX 480 has 480 SPs. The latter is twice as powerful.

So, let's say that HD 6870 = 8 FPS, GTX 570 = 10 FPS, and GTX 580 = 11.2 FPS. (all according to TPU's performance summary from their recent GTX 570 review)

8 x 1.71 = 13.68. 13.68 / 11.2 = 1.22 = 22% more powerful.

Which means that HD 6970 should be 22% more powerful than GTX 580.
 
Taer said:
No guys, I'm talking about the HD 6970 being 75% more powerful than HD 6870.

Here is why: 1920 / 1120 = 1.71 = 71% more shaders.

nVidia has the same model: GTX 280 had 240 SPs; GTX 480 has 480 SPs. The latter is twice as powerful.

So, let's say that HD 6870 = 8 FPS, GTX 570 = 10 FPS, and GTX 580 = 11.2 FPS. (all according to TPU's performance summary from their recent GTX 570 review)

8 x 1.71 = 13.68. 13.68 / 11.2 = 1.22 = 22% more powerful.

Which means that HD 6970 should be 22% more powerful than GTX 580.
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On paper yes, however let's remember a important FACT. AMD always has significantly more hardware there, higher clocks, more SP, Higher clocks on SP, More Ram, Faster Ram and ends up slower. If your calculations net to +22% then by this fact alone they should be on par with eachother. AMD's pricing will win them this competition if anything.
 
PRIME1 said:
One could just as easily say the 6870 is not $50 better than a 460. $349 for a chip that is faster than anything the competition has to offer is pretty darn good these days.

High end gear is not for everyone. Myself I went for a 470 for under $200 that benchmarks show beating a 6870. To each his own I guess.
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The 6870 seems to beat the 470 in most applications. I could easily say it is worth $50 more than the 460, which is slower than a 470.
 
Thats not even guaranteed Exodia, Im betting nVidia is going to be aggressive with their pricing for this holiday season assuming the AMD cards come out next week. I'm expecting some GREAT deals the week before Christmas.
 
Taer said:
No guys, I'm talking about the HD 6970 being 75% more powerful than HD 6870.

Here is why: 1920 / 1120 = 1.71 = 71% more shaders.

nVidia has the same model: GTX 280 had 240 SPs; GTX 480 has 480 SPs. The latter is twice as powerful.

So, let's say that HD 6870 = 8 FPS, GTX 570 = 10 FPS, and GTX 580 = 11.2 FPS. (all according to TPU's performance summary from their recent GTX 570 review)

8 x 1.71 = 13.68. 13.68 / 11.2 = 1.22 = 22% more powerful.

Which means that HD 6970 should be 22% more powerful than GTX 580.
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LOL perfect scaling ?

Unfortunately that doesn't work that way, especially when you're talking about different architectures. Just like you can't compare GTX 280 to GTX 480 (two radically different architectures), you also can't compare HD 6870 with HD 6970, which are also different architectures (how radical, we'll know soon enough),
 
I really want one but I cannot justify 350 dollars right now. I guess im going to be stuck with the 470
 
Heebs said:
Thats not even guaranteed Exodia, Im betting nVidia is going to be aggressive with their pricing for this holiday season assuming the AMD cards come out next week. I'm expecting some GREAT deals the week before Christmas.
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Hey don't worry, I didn't say that wasn't possible. Nvidia may match the 6970 price currently rumored at $450. The GTX 580/570 pricing now is a bit higher than AMD is planning that's why I wouldn't personally buy anything until AMD launches currently rumored on 12/15. We'll know more then. AMD may outperform GTX 580/570 which will make their pricing even lower. They may lose by a bit but underprice which should also trigger a price war. Either way it seems like a win-win situation to wait 8 more days. There is a chance they may outperform and underprice and that will be a treat for us all.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Hey don't worry, I didn't say that wasn't possible. Nvidia may match the 6970 price currently rumored at $450. The GTX 580/570 pricing now is a bit higher than AMD is planning that's why I wouldn't personally buy anything until AMD launches currently rumored on 12/15. We'll know more then. AMD may outperform GTX 580/570 which will make their pricing even lower. They may lose by a bit but underprice which should also trigger a price war. Either way it seems like a win-win situation to wait 8 more days.
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100% agreed, its not an easy 8 days to wait but my wallet will be happy.

If the 6970 comes out at 450 that would be amazing.
 
power draw has been my gripe with Nvidia for years. Seems nothing will change and it isn't a priority.

Shame really.
 
Overall good review! Though I would see it more as a silver award.

It's fast, but it (now) seems priced high for the performance it can give. More competition is good!


Y.
 
Okay, from personal experience I can say I have experienced 100% scaling in some games, some of them from a few years ago.
 
nice showing by Nvidia but I have wonder if its not pricing itself out of contention. the extra 130 bucks goes a LONG way to getting a second 460 or 6870 that would crush these. not to mention that there would be NO real world difference on a 2.3mp screen. I am wondering about the 6970 as well. I am left with the issue that I have no reason right now to upgrade at all. kinda sad actually.
 
Very nice review. Very nice card.

The ball is in your court now AMD.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Two words joined into one marketing term. Crossfire.

Crossfire is no where near 75% more power with 2 identical cards. You'll be lucky to see 50%. Plus it probably will be like earlier implimentations, and use downclocked chips. Then again, still, in 2010 many games still wont use the second core, or crossfire/sli. At all.

Still the best senario is that it beats 2x 580 sli and means that they go really really low in prince. I know thats what i'm hoping for :D
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actually it is. your thinking of the 5800 that have had nothing but issues. the 5600, 5700, 6800 all scale as well or better then SLI. AMD just f'ed up on the high end (where it counted for the prize of course)

this may be pointless anyways, I think H is going to have to start do tri screen reviews just to show the differences in the cards.
 
stealthy123 said:
power draw has been my gripe with Nvidia for years. Seems nothing will change and it isn't a priority.

Shame really.
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What do you mean? It's been improved drastically on the 570/580 compared to 470/480. In this very article Brent mentioned that the GTX 570 is nearly the same power draw as a 6870 at idle. When you game there is more power draw but that is expected on a higher end card. no? Let's see how the 570/580 compare in power draw to 6950/6970 before we draw our conclusions.

I've never been a ride it out with a cheap power supply kind of guy so I guess this doesn't matter and an extra .50-.75 a month in electricity is nothing to me.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
What do you mean? It's been improved drastically on the 570/580 compared to 470/480. In this very article Brent mentioned that the GTX 570 is nearly the same power draw as a 6870 at idle. When you game there is more power draw but that is expected on a higher end card. no? Let's see how the 570/580 compare in power draw to 6950/6970 before we draw our conclusions.

I've never been a ride it out with a cheap power supply kind of guy so I guess this doesn't matter and an extra .50-.75 a month in electricity is nothing to me.
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its still a hundred watts more then a 6870. (I shudder to think what the 6990 is going to pull). put that in performance per watt and it does look bad though it needs to be looked from the angle of high end vs midrange. still its a hell of an improvement. esp considering the die size. I would guess that Nvidia has the TSMC process down pat.
 
Valset said:
its still a hundred watts more then a 6870. (I shudder to think what the 6990 is going to pull). put that in performance per watt and it does look bad though it needs to be looked from the angle of high end vs midrange. still its a hell of an improvement. esp considering the die size. I would guess that Nvidia has the TSMC process down pat.
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Take a 570 or a 580 and turn down the clocks till it matches preformance with the 6870, then turn down the voltage as low as you can and still be stable. I suspect it's going to be within 20% if not 10$ power consumption.
 
vengence said:
Take a 570 or a 580 and turn down the clocks till it matches preformance with the 6870, then turn down the voltage as low as you can and still be stable. I suspect it's going to be within 20% if not 10$ power consumption.
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It won't. Techpowerup calculates how much performance you get per watt. Here's the 570:
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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/28.html
 
AMD needs to hurry the hell up and bring out new cards. It's getting hard not to upgrade and i want to see what they come up with to counter the latest from Nvidia. That way i can finally make a selection lol.
 
Great review guys. Also, it looks like next week is going to be very interesting :cool:.
 
I could care less about watts. I'm only looking at performance and driver issues. I would love to try a ATI / AMD video card but I can't make myself trust them again. The last card I had from ATI was 9700 Pro.
 
Obscene-Ignorance said:
I could care less about watts. I'm only looking at performance and driver issues. I would love to try a ATI / AMD video card but I can't make myself trust them again. The last card I had from ATI was 9700 Pro.
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I agree. You're either going to buy the card or not. All the performance per watt stuff is useless. In that case, everyone would have GTX 460s and 6850s.
[H] doesn't post that stuff because I'm sure they feel the same way. Performance, drivers and heat are the main buying points.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
It won't. Techpowerup calculates how much performance you get per watt. Here's the 570:
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I don't think that is comparable to what he is saying. (I don't agree with what he is saying) all those are at the cards intended voltages. he is trying making a comparison between down clocked card and a stock card to compare the different architectures. the closest comparison on that list is actually the 5850 vs the 460GTX, both are lower clocked chips with shader units disabled and around the same size. using that is still a stretch. a better comparison might be the 6850 vs the 460GTX but the 6850 uses a much smaller chip. (and it shows quite a bit)
 
WorldExclusive said:
I agree. You're either going to buy the card or not. All the performance per watt stuff is useless. In that case, everyone would have GTX 460s and 6850s.
[H] doesn't post that stuff because I'm sure they feel the same way. Performance, drivers and heat are the main buying points.
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Makes sense. [H] is geared towards gamers as Kyle has said numerous times. [H]ardcore gamers at that.

Mind you, since I started folding performance/watt has become very important to me. But make no mistake, when I game I want the fastest possible for my $.

EDIT: When I game I want the fastest possible period GTX 580 SLI. When I have to buy video cards, I buy the fastest possible for the $ I have available. :( i.e GTX 460 SLI
 
Not to mention that I honestly don't give much a damn about load wattage as long as the heat and noise are managed well (which they weren't w/the GTX 480 hence my issue w/that card). Idle wattage is far more important to me because the vast majority of the time, that's what my gpu is running at.
 
SpeedyVV said:
Makes sense. [H] is geared towards gamers as Kyle has said numerous times. [H]ardcore gamers at that.

Mind you, since I started folding performance/watt has become very important to me. But make no mistake, when I game I want the fastest possible for my $.

EDIT: When I game I want the fastest possible period GTX 580 SLI. When I have to buy video cards, I buy the fastest possible for the $ I have available. :( i.e GTX 460 SLI
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Folding is a different story. Now we are talking about 24/7 use and it becomes very important.
I'll switch from 480SLI to 580SLI just for the energy savings. For gaming I won't do it unless I had money to spend.
 
WorldExclusive said:
I agree. You're either going to buy the card or not. All the performance per watt stuff is useless. In that case, everyone would have GTX 460s and 6850s.
[H] doesn't post that stuff because I'm sure they feel the same way. Performance, drivers and heat are the main buying points.
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um, they DO post that stuff. go back and read the old reviews and the current one for that matter. They praises the 570GTX for greatly improving on these points. In fact they dedicate an entire page to power and temperatures. they simply don't make big databases of canned benchmark date that put in a nice graph like that.

if it doesn't matter to you that is fine. to some of us it IS an issue and H does address it. and even if you don't care about it you damn well have to account for it in your system. to say its useless is pretty well a useless statement.
 
Valset said:
um, they DO post that stuff. go back and read the old reviews and the current one for that matter. They praises the 570GTX for greatly improving on these points. In fact they dedicate an entire page to power and temperatures. they simply don't make big databases of canned benchmark date that put in a nice graph like that.

if it doesn't matter to you that is fine. to some of us it IS an issue and H does address it. and even if you don't care about it you damn well have to account for it in your system. to say its useless is pretty well a useless statement.
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Comparing power usage between cards is different from developing a ranking system based on performance per watt. The key phrase is "performance per watt". The performance per watt chart shuffles the deck and skews consumers buying decisions. That's why I said the GTX 460s and 6850s would be everyone's card of choice. A video card that increases the PC total system power beyond 400 watts isn't efficient for the average user, that person won't be in the market for a GTX 570.

What I'm saying is that a user will buy what they can afford when it's all said and done. There are a lot of excuses people use to convince themselves a card is "not worth it" like using charts and graphs, when the real issue is money. Just telling it like it is. Saving energy is directly related to saving money.
Also by no means I'm a calling anyone's financial situation into question, but we have to look a little deeper into certain comments about products. There are people here that would put my PC to shame, I would look broke compared to them.
 
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Battleneter2 said:
Nice review

the overclock headroom looks decent can get you in the same league as a GTX580 standard.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/30.html
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Nice overclocking there indeed. 912mhz on the stock cooling at 95C. Hell the GTX 480 used to hover at 105c or more when overclocked on the stock cooler, they did good with this chip. On water either 570/580 should hit 1ghz easily, perhaps the 570 with less effort. I'd like to see more voltage tweak overclocking but haven't found any others, do you know of any other reviews that bump voltage up?
 
Guys get real here, half you Americans worried about power consumption probably drive SUV's, often we are talking number like 10watts idle and maybe 30watt load difference between ATI and Nvidia. That difference is TINY when thinking about power bills $$.

All that matters is that heat and noise is under control. Pays to keep power usage in perspective!. The GTX480 probably fails this to many of us, but the GTX580/570 passes.


Lord_Exodia said:
Nice overclocking there indeed. 912mhz on the stock cooling at 95C. Hell the GTX 480 used to hover at 105c or more when overclocked on the stock cooler, they did good with this chip. On water either 570/580 should hit 1ghz easily, perhaps the 570 with less effort. I'd like to see more voltage tweak overclocking but haven't found any others, do you know of any other reviews that bump voltage up?
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Yea not bad ah, haven't seen any more, list of 17 odd reviews here though
http://www.elitebastards.com/index....orce-gtx-570-reviews&catid=1:latest&Itemid=9?
 
WorldExclusive said:
Comparing power usage between cards is different from developing a ranking system based on performance per watt. The key phrase is "performace per watt". The performance per watt chart shuffles the deck and skews consumers buying decisions. That's why I said the GTX 460s and 6850s would be everyone's card of choice. A video card that increases the PC total system power beyond 400 watts isn't efficient for the average user, that person won't be in the market for a GTX 570.

What I'm saying is that a user will buy what they can afford when it's all said and done. There are a lot of excuses people use to convince themselves a card is "not worth it" like using charts and graphs, when the real issue is money. Just telling it like it is. Saving energy is directly related to saving money.
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so your saying I misunderstood you and what your objecting too is basically the canned benchmark comparison chart? If so I took you differently. I read it efficiency be damned. and to me efficiency is an issue. (I payed more for my current card then 570GTX so it isn't money) I like to get the best value for my dollar or energy expended. so in a way it is money but as a value based.

as matter fact my one big grip with the GF104 is that it was underclocked and crippled. the GF104 should have compared at least to the 5850 and possibly the 6870. instead it used more power to do less for marketing considerations. one of the reasons why the 6850 is better buy (at similar prices) the 460. same with the 470 vs the 6870 (esp here). to me it would off set the price of the cards considerably.

this time around Nvidia seems to have made the 500 series (not sure it warranted a new series) much more attractive. (at least to me). better heat and cooling and they managed to cut power even using a similar die size.

ironically the difference in performance is even less of an issue here due to all these cards maxing out everything. this may be the first in a long time that I don't sink 400 something a new card. (payed around that for both my 280GTX and my 5870) I can't find a reason too.
 
necrophile said:
Okay, from personal experience I can say I have experienced 100% scaling in some games, some of them from a few years ago.
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CoD4 was one of the best scaling games in history, and I suspect that is what you are referring to. While it was good, perhaps even 95% good, it was not 100%.


Tamlin_WSGF said:
It won't. Techpowerup calculates how much performance you get per watt. Here's the 570
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You must have missed the part where I said to undervolt the card. Only a 10% undervolting would be required to match the 122% difference to the 5870.
 
Does the gtx 570 have PAP? This is the only reason I'm still hanging onto my 5870...
 
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