WikiLeaks Vows to Never Say Die With 355 New Websites

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My favourite critical US installation is the "Anti-snake venom factory in Australia" lmfao
 
Croaker said:
Ok folks, in principle I agree about transparency, but there is information that should not go out to"The REST Of The World". The PRC does not and should not have access to a lot of our governental and or financial information. This megalomaniac with delusioms of granduer needs to be put away. He seems to forget the "Freedom is the Right to take Respnsibility For One's Own Actions." And for him that means jail..
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Jail for what? He hasn't broken any laws by posting this information on the internet. Any US laws that may apply would only be applicable if he was a US citizen or operating on US soil. He is immune from prosecution under US law while posting information from the UK or any other country. Can't charge him if he didn't break your laws.

Whether you like it or not, he'd have to be a US citizen for most laws to be applicable and even then he'd still have to be inside your national borders.
 
Ididar said:
Jail for what? He hasn't broken any laws by posting this information on the internet. Any US laws that may apply would only be applicable if he was a US citizen or operating on US soil. He is immune from prosecution under US law while posting information from the UK or any other country. Can't charge him if he didn't break your laws.

Whether you like it or not, he'd have to be a US citizen for most laws to be applicable and even then he'd still have to be inside your national borders.
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Not if the US bullies countries to extradite him to the States. From the sounds of what's going on, Sweden looks to be doing that.
 
Cant believe the number of self enlightened idiots. I have a secret clearance. There are things I know that you dont. And I am not going not tell you. When I leave this job I will do my best to forget them. Why? Because if I am not doing this job, then its stuff that doesnt help me and if handed out could (and would) harm the very men protecting your right to this BS.
 
You can extradite him all you want ... you still can't charge him with a crime unless you invent new law to do it and even then you'd have to fundamentally change the way US law works to make it retroactive. He didn't do anything on US soil and you can't charge him with something that isn't a crime in the nation he was in. The US can no more charge you with a murder you committed in China than they can charge Assange for something he did in Sweden, or any other country. Dragging him inside US borders doesn't make it stick.
 
wwischerath said:
Cant believe the number of self enlightened idiots. I have a secret clearance. There are things I know that you dont. And I am not going not tell you. When I leave this job I will do my best to forget them. Why? Because if I am not doing this job, then its stuff that doesnt help me and if handed out could (and would) harm the very men protecting your right to this BS.
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exactly.

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I'm a huge liberal, I voted for Kerry for f's sake. But I also live in the real world. And in that real world, secret cables about international diplomacy are absolutely necessary to the well being of any country. Transparency in diplomacy is not a good idea, it just isn't.

You want to know how bad of an idea that is? Obama, who is at an all time political low, hasn't been mentioning how he has had huge success with international diplomacy. He isn't out there saying, "we got this deal to fight terrorism by trading this or that." This would gain him political points, but he isn't doing it. When politicians are forgoing political points in favor of secrecy, I think it's safe to say that secrecy is more than just a good idea, it's a necessity.
 
Anyone else surprised that HLS/Customs hasn't seized the domains? I mean, with all that new found power, I'm sure they could make an argument for the classified documents violating copyright/custom laws.
 
wwischerath said:
Cant believe the number of self enlightened idiots. I have a secret clearance. There are things I know that you dont. And I am not going not tell you.
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Yet you'll go around posting that you have secret clearance on the internet?

You sir, are full of shit!

And, if you aren't, you should have your clearance revoked for going around spouting about it.

haha
 
wwischerath said:
Cant believe the number of self enlightened idiots. I have a secret clearance. There are things I know that you dont. And I am not going not tell you. When I leave this job I will do my best to forget them. Why? Because if I am not doing this job, then its stuff that doesnt help me and if handed out could (and would) harm the very men protecting your right to this BS.
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All parts of the government need to be held accountable to the people in some way. How can I decide who to vote for if I don't know what's really going on?
 
djBon2112 said:
What makes the people running the US government any more responsible, sane, or trustworthy than either the citizens, the governments of those countries, or Wikileaks?

Perhaps it is time the US is brought down a level and shown it can't be the police bully of the world.
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You mean brought down to the level of China, North Korea, Iran?

Yeah. Smart. Real Smart.

Idiot.
 
trudude said:
Good. Screw the murderous control freaks. I don't care what it costs ANY government of the world...this information must get out. You must also stand up for Internet freedom when the embarrassed leaders try to shut it down.
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No this information really doesn't need to get out. And forget about the costs to government, this shit costs lives. Real people, not "government." The whitehouse isn't going to be quaking in it's boots, but some afgan who had his name in some document leaked by this jackass IS.

I for one hope he "disapears" into some shitty hole somewhere to slowly be forgotton and die. The guy makes it real clear all he wants to do is hurt my country, so he and the rest of the cretins that support him can piss up a rope.
 
JesterOI said:
Yet you'll go around posting that you have secret clearance on the internet?

You sir, are full of shit!

And, if you aren't, you should have your clearance revoked for going around spouting about it.

haha
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Just about anyone not related to a mobster or foreign national can get secret clearance. Not much of an accomplishment really.
 
trudude said:
Good. Screw the murderous control freaks. I don't care what it costs ANY government of the world...this information must get out. You must also stand up for Internet freedom when the embarrassed leaders try to shut it down.
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Good idea.

Destroy all of the countries that at least make a stab at human rights, freedom of speech, and open society. After all, Wikileaks CAN'T hurt a country that will just execute anyone who leaks to Wikileaks; pretty soon, no one will leak to Wikileaks from that country. (Tianamen square didn't end Communist China's oppression of the Chinese people, did it?). :rolleyes:

So yeah, destroy those countries that have the rule of law. That have freedom of speech, at least in principle, that they ATTEMPT to abide by, when possible. That observe basic human dignity. And yeah, for all of a decade, maybe the Internet will be the absolute free place you dream of, as the world disintegrates around it.

And then we'll have the non-free net, patrolled by Big Brother, because there won't be any free states left. :(
 
Some part of the Canadian govt asked for him to "be assassinated" I read somewhere

And the US wants him big time.

What a huge, douche nozzle attention seeker this wikileaks guy is. Did you see the recent picture of him all snazy with designer shades? What a tool.... didn't get attn from nobody as a kid I bet and this is his way to "fame". Why do people with low self esteem always want to be famous? Being famous is the last thing I want, but hey that's just me and I like to have a normal somewhat private life without worrying about some assholes in the bushes with a camera every day trying to make $50 off a shot of me in my boxers.
 
ryken said:
I'm a huge liberal.

Obama, who is at an all time political low, hasn't been mentioning how he has had huge success with international diplomacy.
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Quoted for humor.



Also for future proof that people can always point to.
 
When Switzerland doesn't even want you there.... you've done something big time Fu*cked up, Mr. Wikileaks douche.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Too add more against the insane asylum around here and as someone who has held a top secret clearance. Do you really want things such as detailed schematics and materials lists for things like nuclear weapons available to every crackpot dictator and backwoods nutjob? If your answer is anything other then hell no, kindly go play in a busy freeway.
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This is so accurate too. Why just the other day, I was on wikileaks.ch and found all the plans to build my own nuclear missle. I even built it in my backyard. Well, I didn't really build it. I just bought the supplies, drank beer and gave the plans to my kids telling them it would make a robot out of lego if they followed all the steps and they went to town. This is a really plausible scenario right? So I should go play in traffic now?

Wikileaks.ch does show some odd information like evidence that Isreal has helped fun Al Queda according to documents gathered while spying on the UN.
 
Ididar said:
Jail for what? He hasn't broken any laws by posting this information on the internet. Any US laws that may apply would only be applicable if he was a US citizen or operating on US soil. He is immune from prosecution under US law while posting information from the UK or any other country. Can't charge him if he didn't break your laws.

Whether you like it or not, he'd have to be a US citizen for most laws to be applicable and even then he'd still have to be inside your national borders.
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Actually, no.

Espionage conducted ANYWHERE against US interests is a violation of the laws of this country; unless he has diplomatic immunity in the country he's working in, he's violating US laws. Dealing with stolen property (and the messages he's putting out are stolen, there is NO doubt about that) is a violation of the law in pretty much every country. There are a handful of other ways he's breaking the law, as well (including violation of the US RICO act) which the US can and does prosecute people for when they perform those actions outside of the US.
 
ryken said:
You want to know how bad of an idea that is? Obama, who is at an all time political low, hasn't been mentioning how he has had huge success with international diplomacy. He isn't out there saying, "we got this deal to fight terrorism by trading this or that." This would gain him political points, but he isn't doing it. When politicians are forgoing political points in favor of secrecy, I think it's safe to say that secrecy is more than just a good idea, it's a necessity.
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ryken said:
Obama, who is at an all time political low, hasn't been mentioning how he has had huge success with international diplomacy.
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I think he hasn't had any successes at all to brag about which results in his all-time political low. Obama couldn't organize all the democrats and republicans in power to work together to remove a lid from a jar of pickles if he tried. It would take five weeks to form a committe to determine which repsentative from which side gets first crack at removing the pickle jar but that's only after the deligation for determining whether it should be ran under hot water finishes its 3 month study.
 
dr.kevin said:
so, now the US govt has engaged in ddosing websites eh?
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Um, possible, but doubtful. To be honest, the US is probably just doing a standard take down via the normal mechanisms of the Internet. However, Wikileaks is said to also having information on Bank of America, Citibank, and the Russian FSB. I could see bank-aligned forces do a DDOS in order to prohibit that data getting out. The FSB could be doing it as well, while they assess their options.

When something happens to Mr. Assange, although the world will probably point their finger to the US, it's not likely to be a US source that ended his life. After all, the FSB has a serious history of taking out threats like this.

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe the US would tip any of their offensive cyberwarfare capabilities, especially after the leaks are out and have been retrieved by those hostile nations. Stop future leaks, sure. Punish Wikileaks and it's people, sure. But the DDOS would be useless otherwise.
 
RGMBill said:
There are a handful of other ways he's breaking the law, as well (including violation of the US RICO act) which the US can and does prosecute people for when they perform those actions outside of the US.
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lol Proof?
 
entropy13 said:
Considering that Wikileaks claims to also have information on other countries, China for example (not cables from the US officials about China, but information from China itself), it would be possible within a decade or so that keeping secrets would eventually become pointless and a waste of time, as ALL secrets would leak, not just some, so no one would be at any disadvantage. For example, if an American suddenly won a $1 million lottery prize, he eventually gained an "advantage." Yet if everybody else also won $1 million, it would essentially be the same, albeit everybody got $1 million richer too.
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It's nice that you have a "glass half full" mentality, but get real.

Your example made me lol. If everyone were $1 million dollars richer, there would still be folks out there trying to figure a scheme out to get a million from someone else through devious ways. China and other countries will kill their own countrymen to keep secrets even if "all" secrets are leaked.

It is human nature - secrets are going to be kept. I'm glad the US is trying to keep some of our own - to protect us from others and ourselves.
 
Dlstrings said:
Tell me how a list of facilities 'vital to US security' was a responsible thing to leak.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766
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So, they list a bunch of places the existence of which are common knowledge to anyone with Google Maps, but because they say they're "vital to security" somehow mentioning them is irresponsible?

Some of the locations:
* Darlington Nuclear Plant -> Cool, I've been there.
* Cobalt mine in Congo -> Big whoop. Search "cobalt mine".
* Anti-snake venom factory in Australia -> This has WHAT to do with US security?
* Insulin plant in Denmark -> Same as above.

Honestly all I hear is huffing and puffing from the "patriots", but I see nothing (a) damaging or (b) dangerous in these cables. Nothing at all. Though, since some of you seem to be concerned with nuclear secrets and the like, obviously a lot of you haven't read them either :rolleyes:
 
How much does anyone want to bet, that no US citizen DDoSing wikileaks will face any federal penalties.
 
I should clarify, I just mentioned the first one that popped into my head, and the first three I read there. Preemptively...

* Nadym gas pipeline junction in western Siberia, for example, is described as "the most critical gas facility in the world". -> And I'm sure the Turrurists wouldn't be able to find out about this any other way, right?
* specific pharmaceutical plants or those making blood products are highlighted for their crucial importance to the global supply chain. -> Again, this is "National Security" how?

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FTA said:
The cable contains a simple listing. In many cases towns are noted as the location but not actual street addresses, although this is unlikely to stop anyone with access to the internet from locating them.
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Oh, yea. Because a general description of a "target" and general area (i.e. city) is a huge security breech :rolleyes: If it was specific addresses, even then I'd be arguing my side. But it isn't. This is not a big deal.
 
djBon2112 said:
Oh, yea. Because a general description of a "target" and general area (i.e. city) is a huge security breech :rolleyes: If it was specific addresses, even then I'd be arguing my side. But it isn't. This is not a big deal.
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Oh noes! Canada is a "security risk" That general enough of a description for you? :p
 
WBurchnall said:
This is so accurate too. Why just the other day, I was on wikileaks.ch and found all the plans to build my own nuclear missle. I even built it in my backyard. Well, I didn't really build it. I just bought the supplies, drank beer and gave the plans to my kids telling them it would make a robot out of lego if they followed all the steps and they went to town. This is a really plausible scenario right? So I should go play in traffic now?

Wikileaks.ch does show some odd information like evidence that Isreal has helped fun Al Queda according to documents gathered while spying on the UN.
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Because taking obvious examples out of context so makes your point. :rolleyes:

Go troll someone else.
 
ClariorHincHonos said:
He was arrested because he broke the law. Releasing classified documents, regardless of the content, is a crime.
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and thus General Gage was ordered to "arrest the principal actors and abettors in the Provincial Congress whose proceedings appear in every light to be acts of treason and rebellion."
 
Wikileaks isn't for the public. The public is too busy surfing porn, checking facebook, playing COD or bejeweled or farmville, or on youtube. No one reads more than news headlines. And maybe a video or two of innocents getting killed.

no no

Wikileaks is for governments and those with propaganda from all sorts of countries. They actually use the information.
 
It's not as though any top secret military secrets are being leaked. It's mostly lower level stuff that for the most part shouldn't be secret in the first place.
 
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