Apple 27" LED Cinema Display

Thanks for testing out , makes me feel better now i sold my 5870 crossfire setup :) hopefully 6970 will support , I really want this screen

I just purchased the Cinema 27 display and a temporary card (a 5770) and I'm getting full support with the Cinema 27 using only a DP to mini DP cable, including being able to see post and bios screens.

Buy this $17 cable:
http://estore.circuitassembly.com/p...Female-to-Displayport-Male-Adapter-Cable.html

That's all I needed to get my Cinema 27 working flawlessly with the 5770's displayport. Even the speakers work fine on the monitor. Don't see why this also wouldn't work with any ATI card's displayport.

Edit: I just noticed the disclaimer on estore's website about using the cable with ATI cards. FWIW, I have no problems at all using the same cable with my Gigabyte 5770's displayport at full resolution.
 
hi i got my display and it's marvellous just a few points to clarify:

1. Do u guys remove all the plastic wraps round the silver borders or leave it?

2. Is it necessary to remove the front thin plasic sheet or leave it on as a screen protector?

3. I have one small dust particle on the side under the glass which I have verified, how does one remove it since no air can get through to blow it off

4. For those using the display with windows7 64 bit do u get a unidentified driver not available for the iSight display under device manager but the camera and speakers work well...there are infact 2 iSight display devices shown under device manager in windows with 1 of them installed well but the other has an asterix showing that there isn't a driver avail for it, something along that line how do I solve it?

Thanks!

I removed all plastic along with the sheet on the screen. The glass front will protect it from pretty much anything. It's not your typical squishy soft exposed LCD panel so no worries there. The spec of dust inside the glass was probably introduced during manufacturing. Mine appears to be dust free. Haven't gotten to figuring out the drivers yet though.
 
I saw one of these at the Apple Store, the display look okay, but the Bezels were HUGE. They were bigger then the one on my 3007's.

They need the bezels to attach the glass panel I suppose, perhaps also to improve the sound quality of the speakers. Has anyone heard the sound coming from this by the way? This is the best sounding PC-monitor-built-in-speakers setup I've heard. Nicely balanced sound for a built in setup.
 
So you buy a new one that works with your PSU. He has a 5870.

A 6950 will almost certainly give better performance, within the same power envelope.

I was maxed out on a 400CX Corsair with a 9800GT. I couldn't get a new one that worked with my PSU because I didn't have enough power for any of the new ones. I would have definitely liked to, trust me, but the Atlona route has been very good. No complaints! It worked as it exactly should, perfect execution so far.
 
Does anyone know if my GTX480 will work with this monitor? If I use the Atlona DP400 and connect my dvi-d cable to it and then the apple monitor to the atlona converter box it should work right? Will I get the full 2560x1440 with this?

Also to adjust brightness all I have to do is dl the 1.5mb file in this thread??

Thanks in advance guys!
 
Does anyone know if my GTX480 will work with this monitor? If I use the Atlona DP400 and connect my dvi-d cable to it and then the apple monitor to the atlona converter box it should work right? Will I get the full 2560x1440 with this?

Also to adjust brightness all I have to do is dl the 1.5mb file in this thread??

Thanks in advance guys!

That's correct coolhandm3. Your GTX480 will work fine with the DP400. And you only need the one file in this thread to adjust brightness.
 
hey i am sure its somewhere in this post but how is this monitor for gaming purposes i was thinking of getting the alienware 120hz monitor but someone was telling me to get this instead any opinions.
i play a huge range of games wow the most but i play cod mafia 2 , batman pretty much anything that looks interesting the pc is only used for gaming

thanks for your opinions
 
Still the best purchase I've made in a longggg time. So amazing.

O=

Yep. This is one of the rare times I've had virtually no complaints to make about a monitor. Other than the displayport only issue (I'm running a GTX 580 via DVI to DP converter), this is a superbly sharp, clean display.
 
hey i am sure its somewhere in this post but how is this monitor for gaming purposes i was thinking of getting the alienware 120hz monitor but someone was telling me to get this instead any opinions.
i play a huge range of games wow the most but i play cod mafia 2 , batman pretty much anything that looks interesting the pc is only used for gaming

thanks for your opinions

My best recommendation would be to go to an Apple store and look at the display in person. Chances are it'll either be love at first sight, or you'll just hate the glare. Overall however I feel its an awesome display for gaming. WoW especially looks gorgeous on it.
 
I have an imac 27" Corei7 and I gotta say that this product offered by Apple provides the most value for the money. Thats saying a lot when you consider that this is an Apple product
 
Yep. This is one of the rare times I've had virtually no complaints to make about a monitor. Other than the displayport only issue (I'm running a GTX 580 via DVI to DP converter), this is a superbly sharp, clean display.

Can you tell me what converter you are using? Do you find playing games on your card at 2560x1440 is too taxing and unable to get 60 fps in modern games? Can you give some impressions on how this monitor works with your card and how games perform and look on it? It would be very appreciated! Youtube videos of the monitor in action would be great too ;)
 
hey i am sure its somewhere in this post but how is this monitor for gaming purposes i was thinking of getting the alienware 120hz monitor but someone was telling me to get this instead any opinions.
i play a huge range of games wow the most but i play cod mafia 2 , batman pretty much anything that looks interesting the pc is only used for gaming

thanks for your opinions

I've also played a range of different games on the cinema display, and everything looks and runs perfectly on this monitor. Even fps where I'm getting a couple hundred frames per second look/run fine. I have no complaints whatsoever. The one thing you definitely do want is a beefy system/graphics card, so that you can take advantage of the 2560x1440 resolution.
 
I've also played a range of different games on the cinema display, and everything looks and runs perfectly on this monitor. Even fps where I'm getting a couple hundred frames per second look/run fine. I have no complaints whatsoever. The one thing you definitely do want is a beefy system/graphics card, so that you can take advantage of the 2560x1440 resolution.

Would the gtx480 be sufficient for that or do I have to go the sli route? I was hoping to get the games at 60fps, or at owrst run the games in window mode 1920x1080, is that even possible?
 
Would the gtx480 be sufficient for that or do I have to go the sli route? I was hoping to get the games at 60fps, or at owrst run the games in window mode 1920x1080, is that even possible?

What kind of cpu do you have? Looking at the benchmarks, (I have ati card, so am not as well versed in nvidia cards than ati cards) I think for the less demanding games, a gtx 480 is sufficient. But if you want to run the more demanding games (like Metro, Crysis) at 2560x1440, you're going to get low frame rates. You can definitely lower the resolution to 1920x1080, as games in the resolution look fine on the cinema display. If you want to run the more demanding games at 60 fps at 2560x1440, I personally would do either SLI or upgrade to gtx 580, if you have the money to do it. I'm using a 5970 and am able to play every game that I've tried so far with max everything at 2560x1440 at greater than 60 fps, except for Metro. And all these games look awesome on the cinema display.
 
What kind of cpu do you have? Looking at the benchmarks, (I have ati card, so am not as well versed in nvidia cards than ati cards) I think for the less demanding games, a gtx 480 is sufficient. But if you want to run the more demanding games (like Metro, Crysis) at 2560x1440, you're going to get low frame rates. You can definitely lower the resolution to 1920x1080, as games in the resolution look fine on the cinema display. If you want to run the more demanding games at 60 fps at 2560x1440, I personally would do either SLI or upgrade to gtx 580, if you have the money to do it. I'm using a 5970 and am able to play every game that I've tried so far with max everything at 2560x1440 at greater than 60 fps, except for Metro. And all these games look awesome on the cinema display.

Can you run games in window mode if you cant get good frame rates at full 2560x1440?

I dont think a gtx 580 would make any difference for me b/c my 480 is watercooled and oc. My cpu is a 980x. Im starting to think that sli will be the only way to play at full res on this beast :/
 
Can you run games in window mode if you cant get good frame rates at full 2560x1440?

I dont think a gtx 580 would make any difference for me b/c my 480 is watercooled and oc. My cpu is a 980x. Im starting to think that sli will be the only way to play at full res on this beast :/

Yes, I would concur that sli is the best way to go, assuming you don't mind dual card setups and want everything maxed or nearly maxed at this resolution at 60+ fps. I never play any of my games in window mode, as I get fewer fps when running games in a window as opposed to running them fullscreen. For me, if I want my 60 fps on a demanding game like Metro, I just run the game at a lower resolution and I lower/uncheck some of the more demanding graphical settings (like disable dof). Metro, for example, still looks very good at 1920x1080 on the cinema display.
 
For months and months I saved money, Particularily, Gift cards from my school - To save $350.00 on this $1049.00 monitor, And I paid the rest in cash.

Beyond the cost of the monitor, which isn't too out of control, I had to sell my Radeon 5870, which worked fine for me, and ended up hoping for the Radeon 6970 - Which was delayed from November 22 to December whatever, and ended up buying a 6870 just to run this monitor.

Here is my problems, and impressions with this LONG RESEARCHED product, I have read just about every post about it here, and on Apple forums, macrumors, etc.

1) I am not a mac user, I have built PC rigs for myself since I was 13 years of age.

2) This display is beauitful at first glance. But I have had many issues with it...

As follows:

-Out of the box, the display base/stand was slightly out of alignment - The screen sits ever-so-slightly to the left, The right top corner is about 2-3 Milimeters higher than the left top corner

-Issues with the color uniform - The left and right sides and the BOTTOM are not the same color white as the center of the screen is, It seems slightly blue-ish or yellowish - But it seems dependant on how close I am to the screen itself.. Might not be an issue.

-THERE IS DUST BEHIND THE FRONT GLASS. Yes, that is right. With my iPhone4, I used the photo light and looked at the screen up close. There is rather large dust fragments near the bottom right midway-up the LCD - They are stationary and trapped somehow behind the glass itself. They are not noticed during regular use, unless I do a Dead-Pixel tester - they appear as irregularities, but are not dead pixels as I said they are visible dust fragments as you would see on the exterior of the glass, except inside. This is unacceptable...

-There is a rainbow reflection on the screen whenever there is a light source. For example: I took a picture of my Cinema Display 27" with iPhone4 Flash on - The result: a picture of my monitors rainbow - visable clearly. I would post a picture but I cannot right this moment. I do not know if this is normal behavior?
(Also, even slight light from my room, if I look into the monitors reflection, I can see rainbows- wtf. Does anyone else have this issue?)

Games: I do not know about this, but I figured color would be better than my Dell 2408WFP - This is not the case, it seems to be more bright and washed out. Not to mention, Stupid Radeon 6870 can't play Crysis at Native Resolution... so I must wait for the 6970, which also means replacing my Enermax Galaxy 1K because it only has 6-pin power connectors...

Should I return this?
I was thinking of selling/trading it, and buying a Dell U2711..
 
Wow, that seems bad. From what I can tell, I don't notice any significant issues with mine or maybe it's present on mine, but I'm just not seeing it? I've always wondered how the U2711 is compared to this, as I was also considering that as an alternative to the apple. Too bad there aren't any stores out there that have them side by side. That would be the ultimate test. If I were you, seeing as how you're very unhappy with it, I'd just eat the restocking fee and return it. No sense in keeping something that you're going to use every day but do not like. If you do return it and get the U2711, I'd love to hear what you think of that monitor, especially the colors. I was expecting the colors to be amazing on the apple but instead they're just pretty good, but they don't blow me away.

Edit: Also, not sure if your monitor is defective or not, but seeing as how it may be defective, you could also ask apple to exchange it for another, and just say yours is defective. I would assume they would exchange it for another, I would hope.
 
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Wow cide_,

Very sorry to hear you've had so many issues with your Apple LED Cinema Display 27". That being said, what's most important is that you're fully satisfied with your display. I honestly haven't had any issues with my ACD27". No dust behind the glass, no color uniformity issues, no "rainbow" effect, and no alignment problems.

It sounds like you definitely have a defective unit. If you like the glossy panel, definitely trade the display for a new ACD27" and eat Apple's restocking fee. Otherwise, go for the DELL Ultrasharp U2711. I used to own the Ultrasharp and aesthetics aside, it edges out the ACD27" in all but one area: the panel is anti-glare. For me the aggressive AG coating was an absolute deal breaker, but for others the AG coating may be a non-issue, in which case the U2711 would be an excellent alternative.
 
I might have sounded a little harsh.. I wanted to retract that a bit:

-the display as a whole is wonderful, It looks great, and minus the issues or concerns I have, It is a very impressive monitor. I just expected it to be perfect, therefore I either must accept the issues I have or get a replacement or exchange, etc. I think the dust is the biggest gripe I have with it. Search "Macrumors" or the Apple forum about Dust and cinema display, you will see a fair amount of reports about this.. It 'just had to be me' blah!
-I think movies and other video content are much more enjoyable on this screen than with a non-glossy screen
-I love how slim/sleek and minimalist it is.
- have read alot about users having issues with the built in speakers, but since I don't use them I don't know if I have this issue or not. Beyond that, I do enjoy the screen itself, it is very nice to look at when doing desktop work and such. Theres a reason I wanted it for the past year or so...

However, the Dell u2711, its a temptation that is hard to resist, especially at its current sale price. I will let you all know how I like it if and when I get it. Alot of people say it is superior, well, just look at the Anandtech review of the Apple cinema 27" for a comparison...

Anyway, The rainbow effect!! I have not had a glossy LCD before so I'm not aware if this is normal, can someone with the ACD 27" shine an iphone camera light, or other light source onto the screen and let me know if there is rainbows? If you don't get or see what I am talking about, I'll post a pic ;)
All in all - Its a nice unit - I thought LED would be superior, and it is in terms of brightness, lifetime, power use, and slimness, but it appears Dell choose the traditional CPFL(?) backlight for a reason - Better color uniform.
I think I'm just picky - I am enjoying this screen very much, I'm sure I will enjoy it even more with a 6970 :)

Note: My initial report about the stand being slightly left sided may be premature, I found some slightly bumpy plastic on the base of the right side of the screen, Although, I was jarring a bit on the top of the monitor (NOT HARD) just to see if it could be pressed into alignment, which may have made the actual mount a little less tight - But I would hope and assume that the stand and mount is built tough enough to withstand such things.

On a slightly off topic note: I think I've been using LCD screens in the dark for too long, does anyone suggest having light in a room for computing to avoid eye damage? I've noticed the LED light seems a bit harsher on the eyes versus traditional backlighting, so should I keep this screen I need to make sure I am not harming my most appreciated eyes!
 
Note: My initial report about the stand being slightly left sided may be premature, I found some slightly bumpy plastic on the base of the right side of the screen, Although, I was jarring a bit on the top of the monitor (NOT HARD) just to see if it could be pressed into alignment, which may have made the actual mount a little less tight - But I would hope and assume that the stand and mount is built tough enough to withstand such things.

On a slightly off topic note: I think I've been using LCD screens in the dark for too long, does anyone suggest having light in a room for computing to avoid eye damage? I've noticed the LED light seems a bit harsher on the eyes versus traditional backlighting, so should I keep this screen I need to make sure I am not harming my most appreciated eyes!

1.) I thought I was the only one. I eventually jusit put a level on top of it and assauged my fears as my brain and lighting effects.

2.) turn the backlight down a bit, and dimish room (not super bright).
 
Can you tell me what converter you are using? Do you find playing games on your card at 2560x1440 is too taxing and unable to get 60 fps in modern games? Can you give some impressions on how this monitor works with your card and how games perform and look on it? It would be very appreciated! Youtube videos of the monitor in action would be great too ;)

I use this:

http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Displayp...EXWO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291191536&sr=8-1

It ain't cheap but it works. I get flawless 2560x1440 DVI to DP video and audio has worked solidly as well. My GTX 580 pretty much chews through anything, 2560x1440 included. Hell, I had acceptable frame rates on my previous Eyefinity rig, and that monster was running a 5870 at a crushing 6144x1152. 2560x1440 isn't that big a deal, especially if you avoid AA which is possible with this monitor's pixel density.

Pretty much everything looks great on it games and all. Judging from the "seat of my pants" testing, lag is very minimal. It has less motion blur than my older PVI LG monitor. I love everything about this monitor (minus the entry fee).
 
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I might have sounded a little harsh.. I wanted to retract that a bit:

-the display as a whole is wonderful, It looks great, and minus the issues or concerns I have, It is a very impressive monitor. I just expected it to be perfect, therefore I either must accept the issues I have or get a replacement or exchange, etc. I think the dust is the biggest gripe I have with it.

Well supposedly the glass front is held on to the monitor's frame by magnets. So all that's needed is a suction cup to pop the glass front from the monitor, blow off the dust, then reattach.
 
So as wishful thinking would have it, It is not infact a perspective thing, nor is it "Just me"

I had a second person verify the color uniform issue...
The left side of the screen is literally half a point gamma darker than the middle/right side.
You can take a white window and drag it to the left, and literally see it start to change to a dull white/blueish-grey hue. Very sad.

I tried on Medium brightness, as well as high - It is present no matter what, even after calibration.

Apple says they will "Repair the screen"... That's where I'm at so far.

So sad!

*PS to the above poster: Thanks for the Level suggestion.. I will try that - assuming my desk itself is level; and if not I'll find something that is level, but regardless, I am fairly certain that I will be parting ways with this screen in the near future - I will never be able to accept it as is.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=824940
This is a thread that talks about the yellow tint issue, Although my issue is not yellow per say, it is in line with what these guys are talking about, and the actual test method they provide is quite useful to test the uniform of your screen. Let me know how yours fairs!
 
From what I can tell, the color uniformity on mine appears to be ok. However, I do have another problem. I can't adjust the brightness on my cinema display anymore!

When I run the boot camp executable that allows you to adjust your brightness, I get this error:

An error occurred while trying to access the startup disk settings.

You may not have privileges to change the startup disk. Make sure you have administrative privileges and try again.

Does anyone know what's going on here?
 
From what I can tell, the color uniformity on mine appears to be ok. However, I do have another problem. I can't adjust the brightness on my cinema display anymore!

When I run the boot camp executable that allows you to adjust your brightness, I get this error:

An error occurred while trying to access the startup disk settings.

You may not have privileges to change the startup disk. Make sure you have administrative privileges and try again.

Does anyone know what's going on here?

Ouch. I'm using an actual OSX disk to install bootcamp on my Win7 machine (I have a Macbook) and haven't had any brightness control issues. If nothing works, you might have to bite the bullet and buy the disc - it's only $27 on Amazon.
 
Ouch. I'm using an actual OSX disk to install bootcamp on my Win7 machine (I have a Macbook) and haven't had any brightness control issues. If nothing works, you might have to bite the bullet and buy the disc - it's only $27 on Amazon.

Yup, I already have the snow leopard disc, so I'm good there. If I can't get this to work, then that'll be my backup plan. I just don't understand why all of a sudden, the exectuable that Ashok0 provided earlier in this thread now gives me an error. The only change I can think of that I made since the last time I successfully changed my brightness setting was to switch from IDE to AHCI for my ssd.
 
Problem solved! Believe it or not, that was exactly it. Went into bios and switched ssd back to IDE. I can now adjust the brightness again! :) Anyone want to take a stab and guess why this is the case? :) Just bizarre....
 
Problem solved! Believe it or not, that was exactly it. Went into bios and switched ssd back to IDE. I can now adjust the brightness again! :) Anyone want to take a stab and guess why this is the case? :) Just bizarre....
If your HDD/SSD set to AHCI you need a boot disk in your cd/dvd rom drive for bootcamp to work. I use my win7 dvd. I'll probably just create a bootable cd instead.
 
I actually found a better way to get the AppleControlPanel for Brightness to work in Windows 7.
#1) Right Click on "Computer" -> Select "Manage" and in the users area create a user account called: Test (with password: Test) -> Not an admin account!

#2) You have to create a shortcut to the EXE itself, and in the shortcut box change the part that points to the EXE itself (Not the 'Start In" area) Change to: "C:\Windows\System32\runas.exe /user:test C:\AppleControlPanel.exe" (Or whatever/whereever your ControlPanel filename is...If shortcut is in the same folder as Exe you do not need to enter a harddisk or filepath before AppleControlPanel.exe)

Before creating shortcut like this I was getting the Startup Error every time I tried to control brightness, And there was no way I was going to depreciate my Win7 install with unneeded bootcamp pollution. BTW: My disk drives run in AHCI mode and theres no chance I'll be changing that to IDE to make something run right :)
 
I use this:

http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Displayp...EXWO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291191536&sr=8-1

It ain't cheap but it works. I get flawless 2560x1440 DVI to DP video and audio has worked solidly as well. My GTX 580 pretty much chews through anything, 2560x1440 included. Hell, I had acceptable frame rates on my previous Eyefinity rig, and that monster was running a 5870 at a crushing 6144x1152. 2560x1440 isn't that big a deal, especially if you avoid AA which is possible with this monitor's pixel density.

Pretty much everything looks great on it games and all. Judging from the "seat of my pants" testing, lag is very minimal. It has less motion blur than my older PVI LG monitor. I love everything about this monitor (minus the entry fee).


let me ask you this, for one my dvi cable doesnt appear to be dual link, will it still work with this adapter? How can I tell what dvi cable I have? This is the cable I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/AudioQuest-DV-X...479?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item22f4db66d7

Second, if I play games at the native 2560x1440 without AA, will it look really Jaggy? Would even 2xAA be possible with games like F1 2010, Need for Speed hot Pursuit, BC2 etc? I really prefer to have 60 fps on my games running at the native res of the monitor.
 
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let me ask you this, for one my dvi cable doesnt appear to be dual link, will it still work with this adapter? How can I tell what dvi cable I have? This is the cable I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/AudioQuest-DV-X...479?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item22f4db66d7

Second, if I play games at the native 2560x1440 without AA, will it look really Jaggy? Would even 2xAA be possible with games like F1 2010, Need for Speed hot Pursuit, BC2 etc? I really prefer to have 60 fps on my games running at the native res of the monitor.

You'll need a dual link cable to obtain the desired native resolution. How can you tell which cable you have? Try this:
http://www.playtool.com/pages/dvicompat/dvi.html

Native 2560x1440 without AA still produces jaggies, but they're less noticable than your equivalent 1080p panel. The pixel density is high on this monitor so you probably won't notice the missing AA to achieve the highest frame rate possible. Of course, if you've got a beast like the GTX 580, you could easily enable AA at this resolution.
 
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I recently discovered this site while searching for what I hoped would be the perfect monitor. After reading almost the entire U2711 and ACD threads I decided to buy the U2711. Well, the AG coating was pretty bad, so thanks to the info here I was able to buy a ACD and actually get it to work properly with my PC.

Overall it is the best LCD I've ever owned and I feel it looks significantly better than the Dell, especially side by side. but I'm still quite disappointed.

Backlight bleed, when will it end? OLED? This monitor has bad bleeding, as some other posters have declared. I guess LCD tech just isn't that great, especially with blacks.

I decided to do a comparison of bleed for all three monitors in my apartment before I ship the Dell back. Ouch... for these pics I made sure to have brightness levels as equal as possible and made sure to take the pics at the same angle for each display.

Apple Cinema LED



Dell U2711



Gateway FPD21 something, has a Samsung PVA panel



Of course the Gateway wins and the other two are almost identical, the Dell seems a bit worse in person.

Overall the ACD looks amazing, significantly sharper than the Dell.
 
The Dell/Apple aren't showing bleed. It is IPS glow. If you move the camera off center, the "bleed" will shift.
 
Interesting, I was wondering why it changed with movement. Somehow I feel less bad about it now...
 
Interesting, I was wondering why it changed with movement. Somehow I feel less bad about it now...

Yup. If the glow you see on the bottom of a blank screen changes with your head movement, it's IPS glow. I can overlook this small flaw given the huge benefits of using an IPS panel. You could always move the monitor a bit higher up in your field of view. :)

And like you, this is the best monitor I've ever used.
 
As Snowdog mentioned, its not backlight bleed, its IPS glow. If you take a couple of steps back from the display and perform the same test, you should notice the glowing spots disappear. This is because your head is no longer at an angle compared to the edges of the screen. I find that when I play dark games, I have to sit back more than usual to minimize the effects of the white glow. Such is the downside of having such a huge display, I guess.
 
Yeah I'd love to wall mount this, that would solve the glow issue for my seating position and solve the fact that my display is crooked. I used a level on my desk which is decently straight, but the monitor leans down on the left side by about 1.x mm. I have two quarters under the stand to "fix" the issue.
 
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