Swastikas Get You Banned From Xbox Live

I know this strikes at free speech but remember that M$ probably has a very large following of younger kids who probably DO NOT pay for anything them self. As such they need to do at least something sometimes to appease the parents. It's no big deal really. If you think its cool and free speech then do the good fighting for yourself and wear a swastika shirt to work tomorrow. See how far you get.

Also there are many symbols which were probably nothing at one time that have been ruined by some group. Sometimes it is even a purposeful move by a group to mess with another group. At the end of the day though it does not matter, it is most likely 99% of everything we think we know and believe in is probably bull shit. Just look at how much you all know about tech and how much fud you hear noobs spewing. What ever most of society feels is acceptable you have to be aware of.
 
Hate groups are protected, as long as they do not incite crimes. Other wise, both the clan and the black panthers would not still be parading around like idiots spewing stupidity despite their past violent crimes. It's the PC groups labeling everything a "hate": crime, speech, or eventually, thought, that are a threat to free speech.

Not that this has anything to do with a couple of squiggly lines that were banned from Xbox Live.
 
Will MS ban you if you post a pic of yourself sporting a certain kind of mustache? :rolleyes:
 
All negative implications aside, the swastika really does look pretty cool, as an emblem.
 
There are far more Hindu, Buddhist, Jain people than there ever where German Nazis. We won that war in defense of freedom, not for the censorship of expression.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
There are far more Hindu, Buddhist, Jain people than there ever where German Nazis. We won that war in defense of freedom, not for the censorship of expression.
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Again, context. The Swastika was even found in ancient Synagogues. In present Euro-American context, it has a different connotation.

I do understand your concern regarding freedom of expression. Again, it is not what is said but where.
 
By and by, private organizations can place restrictions as they see fit.
 
Noetic said:
By and by, private organizations can place restrictions as they see fit.
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Of course they can. It isn't about wanting to limit their ability to do so, but the reasoning that goes behind this choice. It isn't going to stop people from being openly hostile about sex/color/dna or religion on XBL, I doubt it will even make a dent. Though, the fact that you can mute the 12 year olds that scream this filth does.
 
infect0 said:
Honestly who gives a shit. Its a private service and they can operate it as they wish. Half the FUN Xbox Live is just tards raging but yes lets make a stand in this service. Cry my a river, waste of time.
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Yes.
 
-use the US flag...they all but iradicated the indians
-red chinese flag...they killed 65 million people under that symbol in the name of anti establishment and anti religion
-anything soviet?they killed 50 million christians
-christian cross?should i start?
-Israeli symbol....shove their ass, bulldoze, and kill palestinean families who have lived in a land for 1500+ years....much like we did the american indians...but way more recently....WITH our tax money

get the fuk over it everybody
 
Noetic said:
Who cares? Interesting question. "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer". Without vigilance, hate groups can coalesce, and become embolden to act upon their sentiments. They are not protected. Quite the contrary, their organizations and memberships are heavily scrutinized.
What people say can have consequences. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater or spur a group into violent action. This is common sense.
While Political Correctness has take courtesy and pressed it to an occasional ludicrous extreme, it is NOT the opposite of free speech. Basically, PC is not what is said, but where.
The "ignorant masses" you spoke of, have long been tired of PC.
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Do you even realize how that sounds to use an example of causing a panic on purpose, and allowing people their beliefs?

Of course what people say can have consequences.. thus we have LAWS... if i said id love to see every legislator and politician in washington and all state capitols.. hung by the neck until dead... is that illegal to say? No... if i said id personally do it... is that illegal? No... if i said i was GOING to do that... NOW you have something to actually investigate my claims...not arrest me...not charge me.. but investigate it to see if i perhaps sold all my possessions... bought some guns and ammo... lots of rope.. etc etc..... but as you know... 99.9% of the crap people say when they are angry.. they just dont do... and thankfully because we have free speech and expression.. we dont get our asses locked up for 20 years hard labor for being critial of government/religion/etc..

So that was a very bad example to use man..
 
SS_Wehrwolf said:
Do you even realize how that sounds to use an example of causing a panic on purpose, and allowing people their beliefs?

Of course what people say can have consequences.. thus we have LAWS... if i said id love to see every legislator and politician in washington and all state capitols.. hung by the neck until dead... is that illegal to say? No... if i said id personally do it... is that illegal? No... if i said i was GOING to do that... NOW you have something to actually investigate my claims...not arrest me...not charge me.. but investigate it to see if i perhaps sold all my possessions... bought some guns and ammo... lots of rope.. etc etc..... but as you know... 99.9% of the crap people say when they are angry.. they just dont do... and thankfully because we have free speech and expression.. we dont get our asses locked up for 20 years hard labor for being critial of government/religion/etc..

So that was a very bad example to use man..
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Good of you to address but one of the points. I will assume the rest made sense.

Actually, the examples were fine. It demonstrates but two issues with complete free speech. This cherished freedom was decided upon for the very reason you stated. That we can be critical of our government and partake in our particular religious faith (such as a fellow of Near East descent to display a Swastika). Of course, there will be nuances, those that press the envelope. We are not permitted to cause harmful panic (though it is done, subtly), incite a criminal act, slander or egregiously offend. By law, threatening words alone cannot be construed as unlawful, but when coupled with other activity that would cause apprehension, they become an assault.
Indeed, we have laws to deal with crime. We investigate those who seem likely to commit said acts. What "crap" people say maybe out of anger, however it is few level heads that act upon them (angry people can do bad things). Those that are "thinking", incite others to act on their behalf. Symbols can be very powerful, that is why a "few squiggly lines", a knotted rope or toxic words can inflame strong emotions. While it is not necessary unlawful to display symbols in public (save for obscenity), it is clear that they have a purpose. In many cases, to incite.
In the case of XBox Live, which makes this conversation mute, it is a private company which decided to avoid a potentially offensive symbol. It was their choice, best done to avoid controversy. As I have said on a few occurrences, it is not what you say, but where you say it.

If nothing else we can agree upon, is that we can both discuss this topic like gentlemen.
 
Oh i agree with that completely... if i goto work.. they have guidelines about how i have to conduct myself... to preserve their image... not disputing that in the least...

My problem is with the general public as a whole..

For this to cause a problem... the swastika avatar.... someone had to complain... if i had to go with the odds here.. i'd say it was someone jewish.. but who knows... in the case that someone basically ratted another person out over their avatar... thats where i have the problem...

Most of the people in the world have no idea what the hell NAZI even stands for.. they believe every single german during and slightly befrore WW2.. was a NAZI... which is far from the case... thats as stupid as saying all of america is republican.. or democrat... or even catholic...hell.. most of the german military werent NAZI's... it was a political party...those in the political party.. in a government or civilian role... were the biggest problem... the soldiers themselves just did was soldiers have done for thousands of years... fought and died for some chicken shit skumbag who's hiding behind the lines...people think Hitler was some evil bastard... he was a puppet and figurehead... he made policies.. and it was his signature upon those policies and directives.. but the real evil men in germany were in Industry and finance... and the stupid multitude just go on spewing ignorance day in and day out.. and have been for 70+ years now...

So take that into account... now look at the actual policies implemented within germany in the 30's-40's.... REPORT YOUR NEIGHBOR FOR SUBVERSIVE ACTS... and you see how joe public is acting more like their mythological nazi boogeyman... than some person who has a swastika or SS symbol on their avatar... or.. like myself.. in thier nickname...and all the while... they do so without one fucking sliver of understanding...

These people are the reason their are laws within our own country right now.. that are completely disassembling the consitution... because not only do they tolerate such laws... they bitch and moan to get them enacted...
 
cacadodo666 said:
-use the US flag...they all but iradicated the indians
-red chinese flag...they killed 65 million people under that symbol in the name of anti establishment and anti religion
-anything soviet?they killed 50 million christians
-christian cross?should i start?
-Israeli symbol....shove their ass, bulldoze, and kill palestinean families who have lived in a land for 1500+ years....much like we did the american indians...but way more recently....WITH our tax money

get the fuk over it everybody
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I read a study about Stalin a few years ago... now this guy basically made Hitler look like Gandhi...lol...he had his personal hand in much more than hitler ever did.. and for far longer...

Anyway.. the study itself was taking numbers of people Stalin and the soviet government.. under his reign... executed...imprisoned...or just made disappear.... they estimate that.. regardless of the numbers killed and missing in WW2.. that there would be between 75-200 MILLION more soviet people in the world today...if Stalin hadn;t existed...of course.. someone else would have just filled the power vacuum.. but was interesting none the less...
 
Interesting read, this thread.

I feel that Microsoft should do what they want with their service. If they think that banning offensive symbols will bring in more money, they are well within their rights as a for-profit entity to make that decision. It does strike me as hypocritical, considering the number of potentially racist, sexist, ethno and homophobic or otherwise offensive material gets used on XBL. I'm a PC gamer, but I have seen my friends and cousins playing games on XBL and some of the stuff that is said is quite crude.

I'm personally of the mind that people should just relax and stop whining about the little things. It takes a LOT to offend me, and I don't think someone in a video game can pull it off. I think there are much more important things to be concerned with than offensive iconography. It would be awesome if some of these complaining folks would play the damn game instead. On COD4 I was banned for a server from using BlitzKrieg as my name. I understand how it is connected to the Nazis, but I chose it because of the meaning of the word, not the context it was used in.
 
Didnt they ban homosexuals from XBL a while back? Or at least mentioning your sexual preference. Isn't that kind of...nazi behaviour?
 
-use the US flag...they all but iradicated the indians
-red chinese flag...they killed 65 million people under that symbol in the name of anti establishment and anti religion
-anything soviet?they killed 50 million christians
-christian cross?should i start?
-Israeli symbol....shove their ass, bulldoze, and kill palestinean families who have lived in a land for 1500+ years....much like we did the american indians...but way more recently....WITH our tax money

get the fuk over it everybody
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This ^ +1

i just wanna say that im not a racist at all, but jews are so sensitive and they cant get over something that happened a long long time ago and they are doing basically the same thing but on a lower scale on palestinian lands, besides most of the jews ( not all ) are always talking about the Holocaust as if they were the only ones that suffered in WW2. 20 million Russians also died defending their country against Hitler and we dont see them crying or complaining over some stupid symbols on games, movies or cartoons. jews always want to bring up the past thats the main problem.

For this to cause a problem... the swastika avatar.... someone had to complain... if i had to go with the odds here.. i'd say it was someone jewish
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you can bet on it, im pretty sure it was a jew complaining about that, like i said before THEY CANT GET OVER IT !!!!!
 
slamcmy said:
This ^ +1

i just wanna say that im not a racist at all, but jews are so sensitive and they cant get over something that happened a long long time ago and they are doing basically the same thing but on a lower scale on palestinian lands, besides most of the jews ( not all ) are always talking about the Holocaust as if they were the only ones that suffered in WW2. 20 million Russians also died defending their country against Hitler and we dont see them crying or complaining over some stupid symbols on games, movies or cartoons. jews always want to bring up the past thats the main problem.



you can bet on it, im pretty sure it was a jew complaining about that, like i said before THEY CANT GET OVER IT !!!!!
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Again.

The Swastika is a symbol. For Jews, it represents the systematic near annihilation of their people. The "Final Solution" was not aimed at the Russians. Indeed this occurred in WW2 and not many survivors are still about. However, the power of the symbol is still intact with its use in hate driven graffiti and anti-Jewish organizations. When people let go of their prejudices, then perhaps such symbols and invectives will lose their bite.
 
I've been consistently reporting these people just for the lol's :D There are more offensive ones... I've seen people meticulously craft genitalia, etc.
 
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