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Nuthin' wrong with that - go for it.
And if any of you guys are looking for older video cards check out Retekdirect.com. Lots of good cards there. I got my X800XL for less than $30 some time ago. Running it in my PII X4 945 system and it performs great for what I need. And also, starmicro (www.starmicro.net) has the Mobile 4000 2.6 ghz cpu for $30! If your mobo supports it that is a steal. I put one in my brother's system and took it to 2.8 without even trying hard.
Mobile 4000+ is $23.40 here
http://www.ecr-intl.com/products/AMD/USED/AMN4000BKX5BU.html
Wow - that's a killer price! Great link!
Opty - That's a killer oc! I've never had a problem with 2 sticks on skt 754. All my oc's have been with 2 sticks of Crucial Ballistix DDR400. At the time I got it I actually had some OCZ on order with ZZF. They kept delaying the shipment so I told them they could cancel the order and I got the Ballistix from Newegg. It was probably the best purchase I could have ever made. The Ballistix would clock to just under 280 mhz (DDR560) and my Abit NV8 mobo actually had multipliers above DDR400 (DDR433 and 466). I could set the cpu on 250x11 and run the ram on the DDR433 divider with timings of 2.5-2-2-8 and it would run like a raped ape! All my Venice cpu's ran on the DDR433 divider without a problem. I could even run the DDR466 divider if the cpu was clocked down on the multiplier and timings (2.5-3-3-8) but it was always slower then the DDR433 divider.
754 has only 64-bit memory controller. So you put another 512MB module (you'd like to run BH-5 than UCCC, don't you?) and see quite a loss in HT overclockability and CPU frequency. This is all because we have two sticks on a memory channel
754 boards that run mobiles are not rare. Sorry but it's true. I can confirm 5 off the top of my head. NF3 250GB, NF4X, Epox 8NPA7I, 8NPAJ, Asrock K8SLI-eSata2. Not knocking what your selling just saying they are not as rare as people think.
I know there are a decent number that will run mobiles, but this is the only one I personally know of that can run mobiles AND supports SLI.it's one of the rare Socket 754 motherboards that will run mobile CPU's and supports SLI.
I'm sorely tempted to get that $23 mobile 4000+ that LightningCrash posted, borrow two GTX260's from another one of my systems, and benchmark the hell of of one of those EPoX 8NPA's. I could probably top the Socket 754 performance charts with that.
754 boards that run mobiles are not rare. Sorry but it's true. I can confirm 5 off the top of my head. NF3 250GB, NF4X, Epox 8NPA7I, 8NPAJ, Asrock K8SLI-eSata2. Not knocking what your selling just saying they are not as rare as people think.
You old school guys are going to love me when I get 50 posts b/c I have old school DFI's, Abit, Asus and other wonderful boards for sale all the time.
Have you tried the CPU swap trick to get the 4000+ working?
1. Install a known-working CPU.
2. Boot into the BIOS.
3. Disable Cool n Quiet.
4. Set the CPU multiplier to 4x.
5. Shutdown and swap in the 4000+
This will, in many cases, get the system to boot (at 800MHz) with a 4000+ installed. After that you can tweak the Voltage and Multiplier in the BIOS to bring it up to stock speed.
While my Abit NV8 with the NF4 4X chiposet will run Turions somewhat acceptably it won't accept the Mobile 4000+. It won't properly recognize the Turion or the Mobile 4000 - it calls them Opterons. And yeah, I have the latest bios update flashed in. Now my brother's MSI with NF4 4X chipset does recognize the Mobile 4000+ for what it is and oc's it nicely.
Also, I have a DFI Lanparty NF 3 250 mobo that won't take the mobiles, either, which really disappointed me. I expected really great things from this board but it won't even oc my 3400+ Venice very well. Its the most finicky board I've ever seen so I quickly dismantled the computer and put the NV8 in it.
I know there are a decent number that will run mobiles, but this is the only one I personally know of that can run mobiles AND supports SLI.
For reference, the only other two Socket 754 motherboards that support SLI are the ASrock K8SLI-eSATA2, and the Albatron K8NF4X-754. I haven't heard of anyone getting mobiles to boot in either one, though the Albatron might since it has the same chipset as the EPoX 8NPA SLI.
Have you tried the CPU swap trick to get the 4000+ working?
1. Install a known-working CPU.
2. Boot into the BIOS.
3. Disable Cool n Quiet.
4. Set the CPU multiplier to 4x.
5. Shutdown and swap in the 4000+
This will, in many cases, get the system to boot (at 800MHz) with a 4000+ installed. After that you can tweak the Voltage and Multiplier in the BIOS to bring it up to stock speed.
Except that guide only goes up too 1.55 which ain't near enough juice for benching. I'm working on a vcore mod for the Epox. I have the PWM pin out already and it looks to be fairly easy.
I actually did ok with my 3400+ Venice, even with the slightly limited voltage options on the EPoX. If I remember correctly, it did 2.8GHz before the pinmod, and 2.9GHz after the pinmod.
Surely the 4000+, being a Newark core, doesn't need as much voltage as Venice to get off the ground?
Just because it's a certain core like Venice for example doesn't mean it will overclock to X on Y amount of voltage.
Don't forget that K8 CPU overclockablity can be largely effected by stepping/date.
Didn't someone in this very thread get their Newark up that high? I also seem to remember someone removing the heat-spreader from an Athlon 64 and lapping the actual top of the die for better heatsink contact (crazy stuff).I've heard a few people say they've gotten 3.0 ghz or better out of the 4000+ Newarks
Uh, yeah, we all know nothing about overclocking is certain. That said, their are certain trends within lines of chips.
The 3400+ Venice is a desktop chip, the 4000+ Newark is a mobile chip. Mobile chips are binned more harshly (binned for lower voltage and cooler operation), which means they tend to overclock better than their desktop counterparts at a given voltage.
So, as I said before, "Surely the 4000+, being a Newark core, doesn't need as much voltage as Venice to get off the ground?"
Didn't someone in this very thread get their Newark up that high? I also seem to remember someone removing the heat-spreader from an Athlon 64 and lapping the actual top of the die for better heatsink contact (crazy stuff).