Black OPS release going disasterously on the PC

Raudulfr said:
Considering it works fine with Steam offline... hmm... maybe, just maybe... it's a Steam issue? Yeah? Ever thought of that?

Of course not! Steam is infallible, Valve is perfect! It must be Treyarch's fault :rolleyes:
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I haven't got the game, but I just saw someone on another forum post that disabling Steam Community In Game cures the lag problem
 
Seems like Gamespot drags it's feet when it comes to putting out reviews on the big release games.
 
Raudulfr said:
Considering it works fine with Steam offline... hmm... maybe, just maybe... it's a Steam issue? Yeah? Ever thought of that?

Of course not! Steam is infallible, Valve is perfect! It must be Treyarch's fault :rolleyes:
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Commander FAT said:
How would Steam be the problem? If there are dedicated servers why would Steam get involved? I guess it would as far as community features and buddy lists and groups and what not but I don't see how it could cause laggy games.

Then again I'm kind of a Steam n00b so iono.
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I've found that steam can make games buggy as hell, just hosting the game client side. Granted there are dedicated servers this time so who knows, could be a complete cluster fuck of issues, i just wouldn't be surprised if Steam has something to do with it.
Lets look at a possilbe cluster fuck issue:

-- Dedicated servers not quite ready? Still being worked on while live maybe? They fucked up?
-- Steam clinet bugging out hosting the game client side?
-- The game is maybe more multi-core efficient?
-- The game still being DX9 can still push detail in masses and work PC's and VRAM, could be that some of the people are underestimating the power needed?
-- The amount of people downloading/preloading the game will be insane hitting steam networks?
-- CoD:BO isn't ready in genreal and Treyarch fucked up?

Who knows! Hopefully (doubtful) somebody will own up to a screw up and it'll be fixed in a day or two.
Apparently it's fine on console, my mate is still playing now when he got it 5pm last night and keeps taunting me.
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Server rcon tool is a joke though, and that's simply only Tryarchs fault. Hell, that tool is so basic that you can't even change single maps. It's an administrators nightmare.
 
IanM said:
I haven't got the game, but I just saw someone on another forum post that disabling Steam Community In Game cures the lag problem
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There was also a mention of some client-side config setting regarding multithreading defaulted to 0, aka False.
 
phide said:
Are you surprised?
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I'm not, not in the slightest. CoD franchise contracted cancer after CoD2 and it's got progressively worse since. The only thing worse than MW2 not having dedicated server is to just completely break multiplayer altogether and they appear to have achieved that rather nicely.

Haha, oh well :)
 
TheBlueChanell said:
I'm sure there's plenty of people who are playing and enjoying the game. All you're seeing is the people who are having issues post others are busy playing.

If people with Dualcore CPU's are reporting 100% CPU usage, maybe it's time to pick-up a quad.

All in all, I'm picking it up Wed when I get paid and I'm sure there will be a patch to fix any zero day issues.
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I can play Crysis with all but 4 settings maxed out with a dual core and it doesn't hit 100% usage. Are you saying Back Ops looks better than Crysis ? Because if it runs worse it should look better IMO.
 
IanM said:
I haven't got the game, but I just saw someone on another forum post that disabling Steam Community In Game cures the lag problem
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Some are reporting it fixes it... others are saying it does not. From this thread and this post:

StYleY@steamforums said:
Whenever I launch Steam in Offline mode, after I start BlackOps the 'Play' menu is disabled: 'No network connection'.
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Here is the possible fix:
Desi@steamforums said:
POSSIBLE FIX

1) Run Steam in Offline mode.
2) Start Black Ops.
3) End the steam.exe process.
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Simmonz said:
I can play Crysis with all but 4 settings maxed out with a dual core and it doesn't hit 100% usage. Are you saying Back Ops looks better than Crysis ? Because if it runs worse it should look better IMO.
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your comparing apples to oranges here. engines are completely different. they are optimized differently as well. crysis is far more gpu/shader limited then it is cpu limited. where as COD is far more cpu limited then it is gpu limited due to the old ass engine being used.
 
Not getting it just because it is an OLD game. Why pay $50 for old tech and gameplay?
 
I'm being a little more optimistic. I'm not stupid enough to buy it launch day or even week, but I'll wait to see some actual feedback and maybe get it in a couple weeks.
 
Can anyone with a 120hz LCD let us know if all is well? (i.e. low detail 120fps gameplay)
 
No big surprise but how is this any different than lets say another big shooter title.

BFBC2 had a shit ton of issues day one , it crashed to the desktop every 5-10 mins for me like clock work. The lag was horrible and you couldn't even get a good reading on your ping , I was constantly disconnected every 20-25 mins .. the game was vastly unplayable and the official forums were LOADED I mean thousands of pages in the first week with issues of this exact nature. It took around 4-5 patches to make it playable for me and likely tons of other people.

You can flip out like a child or wait patiently for a patch to fix the one PRIMARY issue which is likely a steam issue based on the current half ass solutions people are using.
 
Also if you can't contain your urge to play this game I'm sure most of you own a console (360 , PS3) so just go out and rent it while you wait a few days for a patch .. its only 9 bucks to rent it at Blockbuster.
 
Godmachine said:
No big surprise but how is this any different than lets say another big shooter title.

BFBC2 had a shit ton of issues day one , it crashed to the desktop every 5-10 mins for me like clock work. The lag was horrible and you couldn't even get a good reading on your ping , I was constantly disconnected every 20-25 mins .. the game was vastly unplayable and the official forums were LOADED I mean thousands of pages in the first week with issues of this exact nature. It took around 4-5 patches to make it playable for me and likely tons of other people.

You can flip out like a child or wait patiently for a patch to fix the one PRIMARY issue which is likely a steam issue based on the current half ass solutions people are using.
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It's more of an issue because most other publishers aren't asking you to sell blood in order to pay for their generic pap. Most of it it is priced appropriately, instead of running you 10-15 moneys more for something that's arguably worse than the norm, rather than better.
 
60 euros that's a lot of cash for a pc game. But.. Take leap of faith, I guess. So I bought Black Ops on Steam and it's downloading at the moment.

I heard some rumors about FOV issues, where can I set proper multiplayer FOV value? For my res (16:10, 1920x1200) it's actually '85'.
 
Jellylesg said:
It's more of an issue because most other publishers aren't asking you to sell blood in order to pay for their generic pap. Most of it it is priced appropriately, instead of running you 10-15 moneys more for something that's arguably worse than the norm, rather than better.
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Well its how console developers view PC gaming unless PC gaming is there core audience , I can't think of a recent game on the PC that was primarily on the console that launched without a hitch on the PC.

Getting into that argument here though won't really serve the issue.

But to be fair the Black Ops issue seems to be related to the Steam Cloud causing weird lag spikes so it may not even be the fault of the developer.
 
If there's 'connection interrupted' then it's likely that the server is screwy but if the game has random hitches then it may very well be Steam.

I play a lot of TF2 and when Steam acts up the game hitches; if Steamworks is quite integrated into this new CoD game then it may be causing the hitching.

As much as I like Steam I hate the annoying crap that happens when it has communications problems with the game you're trying to play online. The game hitches, then you lose connection to the Steam server (not the game server), then you lose any game feature associated with the Steam server. :mad:
 
Jellylesg said:
CoD games don't work like that. They stay overpriced for years.
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Hmmmm.... I paid $29.99 for MWF2 about 4 months ago (not sure of exactly when). I am not sure what you guys are talking about. Usually games go on sale about 3 months after they are released if not sooner.

$30 is my max on games and I got both MWF2 and BFBC2 for that price on Steam (in the US).

The only game I might consider paying much for is HL3, and $50 is the max on that one. $60 is outrageous!!!
 
Godmachine said:
Also if you can't contain your urge to play this game I'm sure most of you own a console (360 , PS3) so just go out and rent it while you wait a few days for a patch .. its only 9 bucks to rent it at Blockbuster.
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Holy sheeeit $9 for a rental? No wonder Blockbuster is going out of business.
 
i am getting 30-40 frames from my laptop compared to 60+ on mw2. I dont know if the game is that more demanding due to the higher requirements or what. Def not playable for me.
 
Not a surprise, the COD series doesn't give a crap about the PC gaming market anymore, probably never will. The best recourse I can see is to just not buy it, at least they don't profit from their kick in the pants of PC gamers.
 
lol, Steam collapsed already... I swear a major launch NEVER goes smoothly on Steam, my only complaint about it.
 
kilgore777 said:
Hmmmm.... I paid $29.99 for MWF2 about 4 months ago (not sure of exactly when). I am not sure what you guys are talking about. Usually games go on sale about 3 months after they are released if not sooner.

$30 is my max on games and I got both MWF2 and BFBC2 for that price on Steam (in the US).

The only game I might consider paying much for is HL3, and $50 is the max on that one. $60 is outrageous!!!
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Fuck that I paid $50 for BC2 and logged over 100 hours in the beta alone. I think I've logged about 300 hours in that game. Tell me where else you can get that much entertainment for $0.17 an hour. Some games are definitely worth $50.

Black OPs with it's low FoV, worthless to me.
 
Like someone else said, BFBC2 had a horrible launch and now people swear by that game over MW2. As long as they fix the issues quickly (it took BFBC2 far too long IMO), the game will be just fine.
 
bpizzle1 said:
Like someone else said, BFBC2 had a horrible launch and now people swear by that game over MW2. As long as they fix the issues quickly (it took BFBC2 far too long IMO), the game will be just fine.
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People also have short/selective memory. Plus, it's cool to hate on COD.
 
i cant play this. i thought it was just multiplayer at first so i gave campaign a try. same thing. 20fps unplayable.

e8500
1g 5850
2x2 gig ddr2 800
win 7 64
 
No suprise, if it using CODWAW game engine as it was too demanding on modern systems to the point of unplayable.

Do you self a favor and pickup COD2, its graphics arent outdated by any means and the playability is top notch. Has public dedicated servers and tons of mods for it. We have a pretty popular Bolt Rifles SD/CTF server for it and its a blast, well worth the $10 it sells for these days. Bolt Rifles in COD2 actually require team work and player skills. Tons of players and servers still online.

Post COD2, the game series really took a nose dive to just POS.
 
SixtyWattMan said:
Black OPs with it's low FoV, worthless to me.
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there's a FOV slider in game. haven't played with it much, but there is certainly a difference.

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^^ I'll give them credit for that. A FOV setting/slider should be mandatory at least in PC games IMO.
 
can we still use the FOV calcluator from bc2 for this game ? FOV is FOV shouldnt change from game to game correct?
 
phide said:
Funny how that works. Pay the media to put out positive reviews and you get positive reviews. It's quite a system.
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Funny how the the media reviews are great and the user reviews that are popping up are panning it. Not at all fishy, not at all.
 
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