AMD 6850 and 6870 released, October 18

cannondale06 said:
well then you guys would have already had to buy a new cards where as I got much more use out my gtx260. heck I am using my 8600gt right now and overclocking it 25% is basically essential to play some games.
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I have several machines, so I just retire the cards to another machine and buy a new card when needed. I've done the opposite of overclocking and downclocked cards instead to get a better noise/performance ratio. :)

Did you like the overclock on the 6870 I showed you? :)

1180 core on air is not that bad.
 
Derangel said:
Maybe its different with current cards, but I overclocked my old 3870 pretty well and I didn't see a huge benefit. Same with my old 8800GTS 320. Ditto on a EVGA 9800GTX I had. The H reviews dealing with OCing kind of usually confirm my thoughts. That said, I do remember a time when OC'ing a GPU did wonders. The old ATI 9800 cards. Even a small OC could do great for the card. Well a small OC, and a hack that unlocked some of the lower end cards and made them faster and better.
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it just comes down to the game too. Crysis, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2 and many others benefit greatly from overclocking since most people try to run those games at the highest settings they can.
 
cannondale06 said:
it just comes down to the game too. Crysis, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2 and many others benefit greatly from overclocking since most people try to run those games at the highest settings they can.
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Yeah thats a good point too. Maybe when I'm ready to retire this card I'll try pushing it up and seeing how it handles overclocking. Right now I just Afterburner for fan profiles. Though every time I open it I spend a couple seconds looking at the voltage slider.
 
KipCoo said:
Waiting to see how Nvidia will respond. If the GTX480 can reach $300 territory I'd grab one. I game at lower resolutions and according to this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/5

6870 really suffers at 1680x1050 where as the GTX 480 performs the best.

I was going to sli gtx 460 1gb cards if they went down to $150 but that means I'd have to buy a sli mobo...plus run into driver issues.

GTX 470 seems like the best deal out there at the $239 AR. Seriously considering the 470 now since it is about the same price as the 460 1gb.
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I'm unsure of what you're trying to say by the link you provided...is Dirt 2 the one and only game you play, or did you not read the rest of that article? Because if you read the rest of the article, the 6870 clearly outperforms the 470 in most of the benchmarks, and no messy rebates for your $239.

Yes, the GTX 480 performs the best, but it's costs 80% more than the 6870.
 
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Derangel said:
Yeah thats a good point too. Maybe when I'm ready to retire this card I'll try pushing it up and seeing how it handles overclocking. Right now I just Afterburner for fan profiles. Though every time I open it I spend a couple seconds looking at the voltage slider.
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just playing around with my 8600gt in Just Cause 2 was interesting. at stock clocks the game was constantly dipping in mid to low 20s during some action and was not smooth. with my card overclocked the game was completely different feeling and more playable during those same scenes. in fact a 24% oc resulted in 24% more framerates in the benchmark.
 
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cannondale06 said:
well they are priced pretty fairly but certainly are not great deals IMO. if you bought a good overclocking 6850 for 180 bucks though that seems pretty sweet. maybe they will go down in price but it will probably be a while since many people were waiting to jump on these.
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They just make so much sense with the crossfire scaling we've seen so far and that this solution only uses 1 PCI-E power per card which is pretty amazing. And with that TDP heat is less of a concern than with higher end cards.
 
Snowdog said:
So when do the 6970 leaks start? :D
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Lol! Start a new thread and lets post what we find on the internet. :p

Here's something to start you off:

Seems that the 6900 series will have enchancements in their tessellator vs. the 6800 series according to this slide:
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firas said:
the new naming scheme is confusing, can someone correct this please if there was any solid info about the new numbers

Dual flagship -- (Hemlock) -- HD 5970 -------------- (Antilles) ------------ HD 6970/6950/6990
Flagship -------- (Cypress) -- HD 5870 --------------- (Cayman XT) ------ HD 6870
Flagship -------- (Cypress) -- HD 5850 --------------- (Cayman PRO) -- HD 6850+HD 6830
Midrange ------- (Juniper) -- HD 5830 ----------------- (Barts XT) --------- HD 6770
Midrange ------- (Juniper) -- HD 5770+HD 5750 -- (Barts PRO) ------ HD 6750
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Not exactly like that...

5970 --> 6990
5850/5870 -> 6950/6970
5770/5830 -> 6850/6870

We shall see in the end....
 
coldpower27 said:
Not exactly like that...

5970 --> 6990
5850/5870 -> 6950/6970
5770/5830 -> 6850/6870

We shall see in the end....
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I think its actually gonna turn out like this:
5970 --> 6990
--> 6970
5870 --> 6950
5850 --> 6870
5830 --> 6850
5770 --> 5770
5750 --> 5750
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Even tho I prefer NVidia, this is the greatest thing to happen in along time. Just like I prefer Intel to AMD.... I hope bulldozer rocks Intel's socks.

Just because competition is great for us. It drives innovation for future products, and lowers prices for us consumers.
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You have the same preferances as me, I am think about the GTX 470 now that prices have dropped, I just like nVidia's driver quality as all my games work with no problems and I like Intel hardware.

For me power consumption is somewhat important but I am operating with a GTX 280 right now the GTX 470 would provide a mild performance boost at the same power levels give or take.

I am happy though that ATi is this competitive, it brings down the price on nV hardware I like.:D
 
Flyinfinni said:
I think its actually gonna turn out like this:
5970 --> 6990
--> 6970
5870 --> 6950
5850 --> 6870
5830 --> 6850
5770 --> 5770
5750 --> 5750
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I don't see the 6870 as any sort of Cypress replacement besides the serverely castrated 5830, the difference between 5850 and 6870 is so mild that I really believe a Cayman derivative is required for those user in the $270-$300 range...
 
just want to mention that i'm happy the cards are out and the idiots that kept on telling me that the 68xx series is just a rebadged 57xx series can now.. shut up
 
coldpower27 said:
I don't see the 6870 as any sort of Cypress replacement besides the serverely castrated 5830, the difference between 5850 and 6870 is so mild that I really believe a Cayman derivative is required for those user in the $270-$300 range...
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The 6870 is a 5850 replacement just as the 5770 was a 4870 replacement. Its really an upper-mid range pushing into low high-end card. It performs better than a 5850, and is cheaper. I believe that the 69xx series will push that high-end range even higher at similar price-points to where the 58xx series was.
 
fattypants said:
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say by the link you provided...is Dirt 2 the one and only game you play, or did you not read the rest of that article? Because if you read the rest of the article, the 6870 clearly outperforms the 470 in most of the benchmarks, and no messy rebates for your $239.

Yes, the GTX 480 performs the best, but it's costs 80% more than the 6870.
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Not really, GTX 470 > 6870 on BC2 as well. I've used ATI for the past 4 years, can't complain. Definitely want Nvidia this time around however. With the limited quality lifetime warranty vendors in Nvidia's corner....such as XFX choosing to make cards for ATI instead of Nvidia, and the now BFG vendor going out of business...you don't have much options. I think the only good vendor right now is MSI. I wouldn't mind an MSI GTX 470 "Military Class." I here they use quality caps? Or is that just marketing bull.
 
So is there any info out yet about when the 69XX might see the light of day?

Or for that matter, even the 6870 with 2 gigs of ram?
 
SolidSnake3035 said:
So is there any info out yet about when the 69XX might see the light of day?

Or for that matter, even the 6870 with 2 gigs of ram?
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what do you need a 2gb 6870 for? if not running crossfire a single 6870 2gb is of basically no benefit over the 1gb model.
 
heflys20 said:
In two reviews I've seen, the 6870 trumps/equals a stock 470 at higher resolutions in BC 2.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review-16.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/8.html

And at 2560x res, the 470 falls to the 6870:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review-17.html

But that only matters if you play at that res. :p
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Really going to buy a 6870 when the ability to buy two GTX 460s in SLI for close to $300 is just around the corner? Two GTX 460s > 5970 performance. I'd be surprised if the 6970 is even equivalent to two GTX460 1GB cards.

No I don't game at 2560 res. Too much of an fps hit at that resolution :p
 
In case you missed it, there have been several posts linking to reviews where the 6850 xfire beats the 470 SLI in some cases. I'd look around a little for that.
 
How many monitors per card can you hook up for eyefinity on these cards? seems to have a few more display connections than my 5870.
 
jjolin said:
How many monitors per card can you hook up for eyefinity on these cards? seems to have a few more display connections than my 5870.
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6 actually as those are DP 1.2 ports. see here http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/...renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/3

edit. 4 for the time being actually, I remember the DP Hubs are not out yet. when they are you will be able to plug in 3 2.3mp screens per port. Right now you can do do two DP port monitors and one HDMI and one DVI
 
Valset said:
6 actually as those are DP 1.2 ports. see here http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/...renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/3
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you sure its not 1.4? the sapphire 6870's i ordered says it comes with a free "1.4 HDMI cable included" which i hopefully means i wont need a display port for eyefinity. Probably wishful thinking though. >_>

EDIT: after reading that review i see the 2 display ports is what you actually hook 6 monitors up to, so yeah, wishful thinking. And be be ready to get alot of porn links when you search google for DP 2.1 hubs. I can't find that hub they are talking about anywhere online.
 
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jjolin said:
you sure its not 1.4? the sapphire 6870's i ordered says it comes with a free "1.4 HDMI cable included" which i hopefully means i wont need a display port for eyefinity. Probably wishful thinking though. >_>

EDIT: after reading that review i see the 2 display ports is what you actually hook 6 monitors up to, so yeah, wishful thinking. And be be ready to get alot of porn links when you search google for DP 2.1 hubs. I can't find that hub they are talking about anywhere online.
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yeah, its in the article, they are not out yet. so right now its limited to 4. so with the 24 dollar dongles it adds another 50 bucks to the cost of your card to go 3 x 1 eyefinity. still not bad considering what the old ones were. to be honest I doubt that I would go past 3 x 1 but still it would nice if the industry would just get with the program and drop the legacy ports.
 
KipCoo said:
Really going to buy a 6870 when the ability to buy two GTX 460s in SLI for close to $300 is just around the corner? Two GTX 460s > 5970 performance. I'd be surprised if the 6970 is even equivalent to two GTX460 1GB cards.
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And leave myself capped for upgrade options? No thx. Ill take the 6870 now, and add another 6870 to it down the line as an upgrade. I almost bit on the 470 though, Nvidia dropped the price on it HARD. But once those reviews hit, the 6870 runs too cool, and it neck and neck with the 470. I ordered one immediately from newegg late last night and they have already shipped it.
 
Looks like only Asus and Club 3D got the design right. All other AIB's rolled out their epic fantasy design.
 
KipCoo said:
Waiting to see how Nvidia will respond. If the GTX480 can reach $300 territory I'd grab one. I game at lower resolutions and according to this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/5

6870 really suffers at 1680x1050 where as the GTX 480 performs the best.

I was going to sli gtx 460 1gb cards if they went down to $150 but that means I'd have to buy a sli mobo...plus run into driver issues.

GTX 470 seems like the best deal out there at the $239 AR. Seriously considering the 470 now since it is about the same price as the 460 1gb.
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ummm, kinda curious, why would u want to buy a gtx 480 to play at 1680x1050? I play at that rez and i find the 5850 is a bit overkill... i can't imagine the 480...
 
KipCoo said:
Really going to buy a 6870 when the ability to buy two GTX 460s in SLI for close to $300 is just around the corner? Two GTX 460s > 5970 performance. I'd be surprised if the 6970 is even equivalent to two GTX460 1GB cards.

No I don't game at 2560 res. Too much of an fps hit at that resolution :p
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There are those of us that don't want to deal with the inharent issues that sometimes crop up with multi-gpu cards

There are those of us that are still on chipsets that don't do SLI

There are those of us that don't like nVidia

Point being, 460 SLI is hardly a solution for everyone who wants a 6870.
 
cannondale06 said:
or you just kidding around because the site works fine?
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Nope. It hasn't worked for me for a few weeks. Haven't found any other site that's giving me issues.

Can someone run a nslookup for it and let me know what the IP is and I'll see if I can get to it that way. My ISP's dns is not resolving it.

*edit* Just edited my adapter and put Google Public DNS settings in and now I can get there. It's definitely my ISP.
 
bigdogchris said:
Nope. It hasn't worked for me for a few weeks. Haven't found any other site that's giving me issues.

Can someone run a nslookup for it and let me know what the IP is and I'll see if I can get to it that way. My ISP's dns is not resolving it.

*edit* Just edited my adapter and put Google Public DNS settings in and now I can get there. It's definitely my ISP.
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someone is a Nvidia fan :D
 
KipCoo said:
Really going to buy a 6870 when the ability to buy two GTX 460s in SLI for close to $300 is just around the corner? Two GTX 460s > 5970 performance. I'd be surprised if the 6970 is even equivalent to two GTX460 1GB cards.
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Really considering two GTX 460s when 2 6850s are the same cost *and* faster? :p

Also, you are greatly overestimating GTX 460 SLI performance. [H] saw 460 SLI end up being about 15-30% faster than a *single* 5870. A 6970 could easily exceed that.
 
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