Guru3d 6870/6850 review

Despite the original naming confusion, the fact that these are the new midlevel parts and they perform on par or better than last gen high end with less power while on the same process is pretty impressive.

I'm looking forward to the [H] review posted at midnight tonight.
 
That's not to bad...I expected to purchase a 6870 around $250, give or take a few dollars. Give it a month or so and it will probably settle around $230 ~ 240
 
raveux said:
That's not to bad...I expected to purchase a 6870 around $250, give or take a few dollars. Give it a month or so and it will probably settle around $230 ~ 240
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Well if they are like the 5000 series probably going to go up in price :(
 
Wow i cant beleive anyone listens to anything they say on guru3d, there So BIASED and PAID * cough*cough* by Intel and nvidia its not even funny. there custom rigs ppl send in or always i love intel and nvidia and hate amd\ati BS is SO obviuos. There site is worse than tomshardware and toms is pretty heavy on teh nvidia\intel paid weekly posts and ad's:rolleyes:
 
fightingfi said:
Wow i cant beleive anyone listens to anything they say on guru3d, there So BIASED and PAID * cough*cough* by Intel and nvidia its not even funny. there custom rigs ppl send in or always i love intel and nvidia and hate amd\ati BS is SO obviuos. There site is worse than tomshardware and toms is pretty heavy on teh nvidia\intel paid weekly posts and ad's:rolleyes:
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It's still nice to see something....
 
I read. I came. And, saw my Radeon 5770 weep at the sight of the 6850/6870 leaked review.

I'm definitely itching for the 6870 and keep that for quite a good while, then Crossfire in the future. The price is pretty attractive too, but then again, e-tailers/retailers will mark them up a lot. (Damn them.)
 
fightingfi said:
Wow i cant believe anyone listens to anything they say on guru3d, there So BIASED and PAID * cough*cough* by Intel and nvidia its not even funny. there custom rigs ppl send in or always i love intel and nvidia and hate amd\ati BS is SO obvious. There site is worse than tomshardware and toms is pretty heavy on the nvidia\intel paid weekly posts and ad's:rolleyes:
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Eh everybody claims biases here and there. But it's all we have to go on for now =p unless you happen to have benchmarks of the cards? Anyways we well knew that the 6870 and 6850 where not going to be ground breaking performers and would be priced accordingly.
 
I hope PRIME1 can provide some sort of rational explanation as to why this is going so poorly for nVidia.
 
fightingfi said:
Wow i cant beleive anyone listens to anything they say on guru3d, there So BIASED and PAID * cough*cough* by Intel and nvidia its not even funny. there custom rigs ppl send in or always i love intel and nvidia and hate amd\ati BS is SO obviuos. There site is worse than tomshardware and toms is pretty heavy on teh nvidia\intel paid weekly posts and ad's:rolleyes:
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Shit at this point we would all be jabbing just the same if this was leaked from http://www.iloveintelandamdsucksmonkeyballs.com Fact is that its something & people are excited.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
Despite the original naming confusion, the fact that these are the new midlevel parts and they perform on par or better than last gen high end with less power while on the same process is pretty impressive.

I'm looking forward to the [H] review posted at midnight tonight.
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Doesn't the NDA last until 9am EST (or CST), not midnight? I'd be happy if the reviews started showing up at midnight :)
 
Just finished reading the Crossfire review-- did ATI/AMD actually improve/fix Crossfire performance in the 6000-series?

Or, am I seeing things?
 
Semantics said:
Eh everybody claims biases here and there. But it's all we have to go on for now =p unless you happen to have benchmarks of the cards? Anyways we well knew that the 6870 and 6850 where not going to be ground breaking performers and would be priced accordingly.
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Yeah performing on par with current gen top end cards is so non ground breaking :confused:
 
octoberasian said:
Just finished reading the Crossfire review-- did ATI/AMD actually improve/fix Crossfire performance in the 6000-series?

Or, am I seeing things?
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From this thread and/or the other big thread on the 68xx, it's not so much as that they fixed scaling as they didn't have the same problem as the 5xxx series. Either way, it results in better crossfire performance :D
 
I don't think there Crossfire Review is on the Up an Up... no GTX 460 1gb SLI....? And remember these are early drivers against Nvidia's more mature drivers so its looking good for AMD. unless I see a GTX 460 1gb for around 125$ ill prob be getting the 6850...
 
octoberasian said:
Just finished reading the Crossfire review-- did ATI/AMD actually improve/fix Crossfire performance in the 6000-series?

Or, am I seeing things?
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I think that driver versions come into play here. I wouldnt be surprised if 6870/6850 were benched with latest drivers while all the other cards were benched with older drivers.
 
Amazing for performance given the power envelopes and the price $250 USD for 6870 is awesome, lower power then the 5850 yet more performance!!
 
Who else is thinking the 151watt 6870 will be used to make the 6990?

Get 2 Barts XT chips, downclock each 50mhz, and AMD stays under the 300w upper limit.
 
the 6850 is great card for 179. it has way more overclocking headroom so if you are an overclocker then I would save 60-70 bucks and get that. when both the 6850 and 6870 are overclocked there will likely be less than 10% difference.
 
IMHO, this isn't nearly as ground breaking as people are acting. At $250, the 6870 is $10 cheaper than the 5850's launch MSRP. In a year, we have marginally more performance than the 5850 at barely lower price. This is not what I consider a large advancement.

These are also not what I would call mid-range. A 4850 was easily available for $150 in July 2008 (2 weeks after launch). The 4870 later fell into the price, and the 4890 came very close to it. Over 2 years later, the best ATI can do at $150 is a 5770 which is marginally faster than a 4850.

If these cards end up being closer to $150 and $200 in the next few weeks, I will change my tune. Until then, I see a marginal improvement over the poor pricing of the 5xxx series. Nvidia's failure to compete has allowed this trend to continue.
 
jamesrb said:
IMHO, this isn't nearly as ground breaking as people are acting. At $250, the 6870 is $10 cheaper than the 5850's launch MSRP. In a year, we have marginally more performance than the 5850 at barely lower price. This is not what I consider a large advancement.

These are also not what I would call mid-range. A 4850 was easily available for $150 in July 2008 (2 weeks after launch). The 4870 later fell into the price, and the 4890 came very close to it. Over 2 years later, the best ATI can do at $150 is a 5770 which is marginally faster than a 4850.

If these cards end up being closer to $150 and $200 in the next few weeks, I will change my tune. Until then, I see a marginal improvement over the poor pricing of the 5xxx series.
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I sort of agree. in fact I said something similar about this as well as the gtx460 when it was launched. the problem is that the 5850/5870 cards only went up in price so consumers are used to seeing pretty high prices for their given performance. sadly any improvement at all in performance/price and people freak out and think its the deal of the decade. that being said the 6850 for $179 is not bad at all. also these cards do seem to do better in crossfire than the 5850/5870 cards so that is nice for many.
 
octoberasian said:
Just finished reading the Crossfire review-- did ATI/AMD actually improve/fix Crossfire performance in the 6000-series?

Or, am I seeing things?
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No, (or maybe yes but not relevant here). Everyone seems to think crossfire was broken when it was only broken on the 5800 series. 5600 and 5700 have done well sense day one. They scale as well or better then Nvidia cards. This illistrates why the high end is so important, any flaw there is attributed to the whole product line
 
jamesrb said:
IMHO, this isn't nearly as ground breaking as people are acting. At $250, the 6870 is $10 cheaper than the 5850's launch MSRP. In a year, we have marginally more performance than the 5850 at barely lower price. This is not what I consider a large advancement.

These are also not what I would call mid-range. A 4850 was easily available for $150 in July 2008 (2 weeks after launch). The 4870 later fell into the price, and the 4890 came very close to it. Over 2 years later, the best ATI can do at $150 is a 5770 which is marginally faster than a 4850.

If these cards end up being closer to $150 and $200 in the next few weeks, I will change my tune. Until then, I see a marginal improvement over the poor pricing of the 5xxx series. Nvidia's failure to compete has allowed this trend to continue.
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Well, you wrote the reason yourself.
 
jamesrb said:
IMHO, this isn't nearly as ground breaking as people are acting. At $250, the 6870 is $10 cheaper than the 5850's launch MSRP. In a year, we have marginally more performance than the 5850 at barely lower price. This is not what I consider a large advancement.

These are also not what I would call mid-range. A 4850 was easily available for $150 in July 2008 (2 weeks after launch). The 4870 later fell into the price, and the 4890 came very close to it. Over 2 years later, the best ATI can do at $150 is a 5770 which is marginally faster than a 4850.

If these cards end up being closer to $150 and $200 in the next few weeks, I will change my tune. Until then, I see a marginal improvement over the poor pricing of the 5xxx series. Nvidia's failure to compete has allowed this trend to continue.
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I see your also a victim of the AMD naming scheme:
5770=6850
5830=6870

5850=6950
5870=6970

You can't compare the 6870 to the 5850 when judging performance improvement. The 6870 is an increase over the 5830.
When it comes to pricing, it's a little high but the cards are in the same class performance wise as the GTX 460/470 which were more expensive until the recent price drop i.e. 460/$230 - 470/$300.
 
cannondale06 said:
the 6850 is great card for 179. it has way more overclocking headroom so if you are an overclocker then I would save 60-70 bucks and get that. when both the 6850 and 6870 are overclocked there will likely be less than 10% difference.
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At the same clock speed, a 6870 still has 15% more shaders. The 6850 overclocked would need to have a 5% higher clock speed than the 6870 overclocked to get near the 10% difference you are hoping for.

I am over simplifying things here, but IMHO you are overestimating the abilities of the 6850.
 
jamesrb said:
These are also not what I would call mid-range. A 4850 was easily available for $150 in July 2008 (2 weeks after launch). The 4870 later fell into the price, and the 4890 came very close to it. Over 2 years later, the best ATI can do at $150 is a 5770 which is marginally faster than a 4850.
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5770 is 4870 speed, not 4850. Even the 5750 is faster than the 4850.

If these cards end up being closer to $150 and $200 in the next few weeks, I will change my tune. Until then, I see a marginal improvement over the poor pricing of the 5xxx series. Nvidia's failure to compete has allowed this trend to continue.
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Considering that the release price is $180 for the 6850, lower than the $199 4850 release price, shouldn't be to hard.
 
I just got the 6850 prob will pick up another in a couple months for Xfire. Hope there drivers get better to only improve on these numbers. WTS EVGA 8800gt you've been a great card...
 
WorldExclusive said:
I see your also a victim of the AMD naming scheme:
5770=6850
5830=6870

5850=6950
5870=6970

You can't compare the 6870 to the 5850 when judging performance improvement. The 6870 is an increase over the 5830.
When it comes to pricing, it's a little high but the cards are in the same class performance wise as the GTX 460/470 which were more expensive until the recent price drop i.e. 460/$230 - 470/$300.
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The prices don't reflect this. The 6870 is price closer to a 5850 and the 6850 is priced closer to the 5830. 6850 is nowhere near the cost of a 5770 at this point.

The story will depend on whether these cards go down in price like the 48xx launch or go up in price like the 58xx launch.
 
jamesrb said:
At the same clock speed, a 6870 still has 15% more shaders. The 6850 overclocked would need to have a 5% higher clock speed than the 6870 overclocked to get near the 10% difference you are hoping for.

I am over simplifying things here, but IMHO you are overestimating the abilities of the 6850.
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the shaders don't always translate linearly. the cards will oc to within 50mz of each other from what I have seen so far. I can almost guarantee you that about 10% is all the difference will be when both are oced to their max. the differnce between the 5870 and 5850 was only 5% under the same scenario.
 
The 6870 for $240 is a decent deal but so is the GTX 470 for $220. Now, if only the 5870's would drop a bit I would jump all over one. I'm so desperately in need of a new card, I just got Fallout New Vegas and it plays like shit on my new 24" monitor. I'm trying to hold off playing until I buy a new card but that isn't going so well.
 
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