Fermi Refresh! Full Top/bottom 3 months after

Lord_Exodia said:
Aww man here starts the rumor mill. I love when this stuff happens :D You guys thought I was pulling this out of my ass well here is more speculation. Seems that nvidia might try a sneak attack Q4 this year. The short article talks about it probably being early 2011 probably right after the 68xx/69xx launch. Those looking to get 67xx should just jump right in but those planning on getting 68xx/69xx should wait and see what nvidia has in store.

Check it out

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20312-fermi-mid-life-kicker-comes-in-40nm

Oh and remember nvidia vows that after the launch of fermi refresh (1.5, fermi+) whatever you wanna call it that they will release an entire top to bottom refresh 3 months after.

Fudo and his inside spy's are at it agaiin :D
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FUD is about as accurate about Nvidia as charlie is about ATI. in other words he is pretty blatantly a supporter of the green team. less rabid then charlie is though. (and I hate to say this but charlie has a better track record in being right) If you watch him for a while you can usually see this, when he have to report Nvidia getting beat it will usually have several pro nvidia (and they are not necessarily bad articles at all) articles up as well. you can see it now

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# Navigate to PoV/TGT GTX 480 Beast is the fastest Fermi around 01 PoV/TGT GTX 480 Beast is the fastest Fermi around
# Navigate to Radeon HD 6700 detailed on slides 02 Radeon HD 6700 detailed on slides
# Navigate to How Nvidia helps keep PC gaming alive 03 How Nvidia helps keep PC gaming alive
# Navigate to Nvidia hopes in Tegra success due better graphics 04 Nvidia hopes in Tegra success due better graphics
# Navigate to Fermi mid life kicker comes in 40nm 05 Fermi mid life kicker comes in 40nm

and this just from posting the leaked (if its real) spec sheet.

cliff notes: FUD views Nvidia through rose colored glasses and is not very trustworthy.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Aww man here starts the rumor mill. I love when this stuff happens :D You guys thought I was pulling this out of my ass well here is more speculation. Seems that nvidia might try a sneak attack Q4 this year. The short article talks about it probably being early 2011 probably right after the 68xx/69xx launch. Those looking to get 67xx should just jump right in but those planning on getting 68xx/69xx should wait and see what nvidia has in store.

Check it out

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20312-fermi-mid-life-kicker-comes-in-40nm

Oh and remember nvidia vows that after the launch of fermi refresh (1.5, fermi+) whatever you wanna call it that they will release an entire top to bottom refresh 3 months after.

Fudo and his inside spy's are at it agaiin :D
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umm, didn't fudzilla constantly report the 470/480 series was suppose to be out "before the holidays" in 2009"

after how late the 470/480 was, i won't believe any of the rumours until they actually release the card.
 
I'll get excited once nVidia releases a card with 1.25x to 1.5x the performance of the GTX 480 and has a TDP of ~180W.

I may be waiting a long time.
 
tricky0502 said:
do you think when nividia designed the gf100 they only designed one gpu? no they had a full line up, gf100, gf104, gf106 and gf108. the gf104 is not a refresh, it was planned forn the start. normally that card would have been released closer to the launch of the gf100.
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From the release schedule *I assume* that the GF104 development was a few months behind GF100. Assuming two development teams worked separately the GF104 team probably got a few tips from the GF100 team every once in a while.
 
vgame64 said:
I'll get excited once nVidia releases a card with 1.25x to 1.5x the performance of the GTX 480 and has a TDP of ~180W.

I may be waiting a long time.
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Define a long time. The evolution of these cards is *amazing.* 125% performance while consuming 25% less power? At most you're only going to be waiting a year.

Oh, if only the world were run by engineers.
 
IRSmurf said:
Define a long time. The evolution of these cards is *amazing.* 125% performance while consuming 25% less power? At most you're only going to be waiting a year.

Oh, if only the world were run by engineers.
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25% less power? The GTX uses between 260 and 320W (depending on which review you read) so the above poster meant more like 40% less power.

AMD seem to have done it - nearly double the power, same (if not, just a bit more) wattage.

We won't see great performance-per-watt NVIDIA GPU's until 2H 2011.
 
As someone with an SLI (non CFX) board, this is indeed good news. I have thought about waiting some months after AMD6xxx to jump from gtx 2 to gtx 4... I've been impatient, but this is encouraging if true.
 
THE ORIGINAL TECH REPORT ARTICLE THAT HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS said:
As before, the firm aims to do a top-to-bottom refresh of its GPU lineup, whenever it introduces a new generation of GPUs, within about three months.
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So all Nvidia said is "whenever we put out a new generation, we'll do a refresh of it within three months".

How did the you get "New Nvidia cards coming out in three months!!!!!!!!" out of that?
 
I don't mean to be a dick and I'm obviously a fan of Nvidia but their track record sucks. Either it's bullshit and PR crap as usual or the refresh is a bunch of rebadges with a new retarded naming scheme.

Nvidia - Believe it when you see it.
 
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So all Nvidia said is "whenever we put out a new generation, we'll do a refresh of it within three months".

How did the you get "New Nvidia cards coming out in three months!!!!!!!!" out of that?
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From the same article

"The introductions of major Nvidia GPU architectures, such as Kepler and Maxwell, will be aligned with availability of new process technologies, which occur every 18 - 24 months. However, the company also plans to update its lineups with enhanced architectures in between major launches. As a result, next year the company plans to introduce new products based on improved versions of Fermi architecture (e.g., Fermi+)."

Add on to that the common sense that nvidia isn't going to let AMD 6000 release go uncontested as they want to compete for the market share. I wouldn't be surprized if they release a new mid range part to compete against the GTX 460 killer (6770) along with 2 high end parts to replace the GTX 470/480.

Rumors are starting to surface that these cards(well the high end part/s at least) may make it out before the end of this year. I believe they will make it out after than, maybe early January. Here is one and I'm sure more will surface in the days/weeks to come

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20312-fermi-mid-life-kicker-comes-in-40nm
 
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This doesn't sound credible but who am I to say. Maybe they actually got good info. Here is more news on Fermi refresh. This hints to a new mid range card and new high end card. Linked below for those that haven't read already

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6000-series-in-trouble-/9999-2.html

With all these rumors starting to surface it seems apparent that there IS a fermi refresh and it will be a counter attack to AMD's 6000 series. Unlike the rumor from Fudzilla and Fuad aka Fudo I dont believe they will be out this year. Perhaps January just after the High end 6000 series launch.
 
http://techpowerup.com/132157/Listing-Reveals-Details-of-GeForce-GT-430-Desktop-GPU.html

An Austrian hardware vendor jumped the gun and listed an unannounced GeForce GT 430 graphics card by Gigabyte, the GV-N430OC-1GI. As the model name suggests, it is overclocked out of the box. Tiny bits of details given in the listing shows that the card has 1 GB of DDR3 memory across a 128-bit wide memory interface, and connectors that include one each of DVI and HDMI. Additional detailed mentioned by a price aggregator reveals that GeForce GT 430 is based on the 40 nm GF108 core, the SKU has 96 CUDA cores and 16 TMUs.
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Source: rage3d

Looks like a nice PhysX GPU, but I'd really like to see a full-height GDDR5 version.
 
ragejg said:
http://techpowerup.com/132157/Listing-Reveals-Details-of-GeForce-GT-430-Desktop-GPU.html



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Source: rage3d

Looks like a nice PhysX GPU, but I'd really like to see a full-height GDDR5 version.
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Nice I was waiting for the info on this card. Although this card was expected for over a month. Definitely not the Fermi refresh this thread is about. This does indeed look like a good card for physX. I hope hardocp and other sites would begin showing physX performance with cards like this and the GTX 450.
 
Meh I can care less. I love my 465-470 GTX MSI card. Its quiet, runs cool, and it can handle any current gen/next game.
 
Vengance_01 said:
Meh I can care less. I love my 465-470 GTX MSI card. Its quiet, runs cool, and it can handle any current gen/next game.
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465/470 is quiet and cool? either that must be a non reference cooler or you have a bizarro world view of what quiet and cool means. lol
 
the only thing i see nvidia coming out with is a gf104 384sp. i highly doubt there will be a new gf100 part. the problem with the gf104 with 384sp? it wont be faster then a 480 (at least i dont think). i would assume amds new 6xxx series will be faster then their 5xxx series. so unless nvidias refresh come out at a great price, i dont see it being anything to get excited about.
 
tricky0502 said:
the only thing i see nvidia coming out with is a gf104 384sp. i highly doubt there will be a new gf100 part. the problem with the gf104 with 384sp? it wont be faster then a 480 (at least i dont think). i would assume amds new 6xxx series will be faster then their 5xxx series. so unless nvidias refresh come out at a great price, i dont see it being anything to get excited about.
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I have a feeling what is coming is not a GF 100 at all or a GF 104 or GF 108. I believe it will be 40nm but something new, perhaps a new gpu altogether GF 110 maybe. a full 512sp, fixed memory controller, better performnace/watt, runs cooler than GF 100, Non crippled, But meh what do I know. I'm just guessing. My gut usually is accurate though. Fermi was delayed as Nvidia played with GF100 for a while. Whose to say their 2nd team wasn't working on a refresh from GF 100 launch time only to have the GF 100 team move on to Kepler.

More and more rumors begin to surface. I'm sure we'll hear alot more in the days to come. ESPECIALLY because the AMD 6000 series launch looms. Right when those cards come out I expect to start seeing pics, rumored specs, rough Idea of launch etc...
 
do you really think nvidia could have a chip that far along in devolpment without any leaks? they have been telling us about chips three years away, why wouldnt they tell us about this magical chip they have? cause they dont have one.
 
tricky0502 said:
do you really think nvidia could have a chip that far along in devolpment without any leaks? they have been telling us about chips three years away, why wouldnt they tell us about this magical chip they have? cause they dont have one.
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I guess we'll find out in the next few weeks. We'll see more info in the coming days as rumors and news articles continue to come up more and more. ;)
 
Nv attention whoring around the time of an ATI, well AMD now, launch. How many times have we seen this? Every time? Whether it be a paper launch, a new super driver, an announcement that there is going to be an announcement of something, or just plain rumor mongering. This has been the standard tactic of Nv since almost the beginning. Rouse the fanatics, call the press, and attempt to drown out news of whatever a competitor is launching. Be it 3Dfx, ATI, AMD, or intel.

Ignore the ruckus, and if something does really come along, I am sure we will see a ton of reviews from various credible sources.

My guess is Nv has little to nothing new coming out at the high end, and will not have much of anything new at the high end, except maybe a dual 460 card, coming out until sometime next year. Prolly late first quarter at the soonest b4 we really see anything, if even then.
 
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Nobody has shipped DX11 yet. We are just disciplined about not talking about the future. And the reason for that is because assuming you guys care to follow our Company, you actually care about our present. If I don't have a present, I will talk about my future. But I don't want to talk about my future because I'm selling GeForce really well. I've got a great new architecture coming and when it comes I will tell everybody about it. Until then, I let somebody else go talk smack.

Jen-Hsun Huang, nVidia's co-founder, President & CEO June 16th, 2009​

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JHH did a completely turn about face and is now talking constantly about the future, actually years into the future. Very telling.
 
§kynet;1036258651 said:
Nobody has shipped DX11 yet. We are just disciplined about not talking about the future. And the reason for that is because assuming you guys care to follow our Company, you actually care about our present. If I don't have a present, I will talk about my future. But I don't want to talk about my future because I'm selling GeForce really well. I've got a great new architecture coming and when it comes I will tell everybody about it. Until then, I let somebody else go talk smack.

Jen-Hsun Huang, nVidia's co-founder, President & CEO June 16th, 2009​

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JHH did a completely turn about face and is now talking constantly about the future, actually years into the future. Very telling.
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Apparently, he did follow the words there, because they ain't selling well now... :p
 
Posted 10/4 by Myself
Lord_Exodia said:
I have a feeling what is coming is not a GF 100 at all or a GF 104 or GF 108. I believe it will be 40nm but something new, perhaps a new gpu altogether GF 110 maybe. a full 512sp, fixed memory controller, better performnace/watt, runs cooler than GF 100, Non crippled, But meh what do I know. I'm just guessing. My gut usually is accurate though. Fermi was delayed as Nvidia played with GF100 for a while. Whose to say their 2nd team wasn't working on a refresh from GF 100 launch time only to have the GF 100 team move on to Kepler.

More and more rumors begin to surface. I'm sure we'll hear alot more in the days to come. ESPECIALLY because the AMD 6000 series launch looms. Right when those cards come out I expect to start seeing pics, rumored specs, rough Idea of launch etc...
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Skeptics (understandably)

tricky0502 said:
do you really think nvidia could have a chip that far along in devolpment without any leaks? they have been telling us about chips three years away, why wouldnt they tell us about this magical chip they have? cause they dont have one.
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See Link GF 110 rumors begin!! BTW I'll be doing psychic reading via PM between 7pm est and 9pm est. :D


http://fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20519-nvidia-working-on-gf100-successor Looks like everything I predicted to the 'T', however some additions to make it competitive. I dunno if this is true but I expect the rumors to really start catching fire soon, more rumors, more details, pics even by 69xx launch.

What I do not see possible is a december launch I still think my prediction of early January will be true. In addition I am going to extend my prediction to say that they will not take the 460 1gb losing it's crown so lightly and I'm going to say that a refresh of that is on it's way too. Not sure what chip it'll be but it should be more competitive with 6850/6870 in that price bracket. I even predict they will launch side by side with the 580/570

So I'm saying 580/570/560

580 2gb to compete with 6970
570 1.5gb or more this will depend on performance level of 6950
560 1.5 gb or more this will depend on performance level of 6850/6870

Not sure what to compete with Antilles, perhaps dual 560.

Obviously the more I guess the more chance I have to be wrong but my crystal ball hasn't failed me yet :D

(In Mrs. Cleo Voice) Call me Now!!:p
 
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Lord_Exodia said:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...ia-preparing-gtx-580-with-512-cuda-cores.html
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NordicHardware is a legit source. That is not to say the rumor is legit or not (your guess is as good as mine) but that they are not like KitGuru posting total bullshit to get their ad revenues up.

In any case, the rumors aren't exactly impossible - the GF100 chip has a lot of unnecessary GPGPU stuff (DP and ECC), and texture units don't take up a lot of die space. I could easily see them doubling texture units and still having a smaller die by removing said GPGPU parts. In fact, with the GF104, they added 16 shaders and texture units and removed that GPGPU functionality, and the size of an SM only went up 25%.
 
eddieck said:
NordicHardware is a legit source. That is not to say the rumor is legit or not (your guess is as good as mine) but that they are not like KitGuru posting total bullshit to get their ad revenues up.

In any case, the rumors aren't exactly impossible - the GF100 chip has a lot of unnecessary GPGPU stuff (DP and ECC), and texture units don't take up a lot of die space. I could easily see them doubling texture units and still having a smaller die by removing said GPGPU parts. In fact, with the GF104, they added 16 shaders and texture units and removed that GPGPU functionality, and the size of an SM only went up 25%.
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I was unaware of this completely but in Mid June Kyle Bennett was quoted at saying that a GF110 gpu was due quarter 4 of this year, and nothing was known at that time about it. http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035831499&postcount=74 This to me is 100% confirmation that they have had enough time to tweak the architecture so that all the rumors floating could very well be true. 2x TMU's, 512 Cuda Cores, 512bit bus with 2gb high end ddr, better temps/power draw.

I would say it will pull what a GTX 480 pulls, with all of that It seems the power draw was improved substantially.
 
That just confirms that there was a planned GF110, not what it is. I mean the GT 430 is the GF108, whose to say that the GF110 isn't a low end or mobile part?
 
kllrnohj said:
That just confirms that there was a planned GF110, not what it is. I mean the GT 430 is the GF108, whose to say that the GF110 isn't a low end or mobile part?
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naw dude, sorry man but it's coming, whether people like it or not it's coming. See the links in posts 65 & 66. All the way from Nordic hardware etc.. GF110 is a high end and it's coming by december.

Damn I might be wrong about January if it was in the works from that far back. :confused:
 
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We will see in a couple months then. Til then, meh, it looks like an attention grab with the usual suspects giving a helping hand.
 
GORANKAR said:
We will see in a couple months then. Til then, meh, it looks like an attention grab with the usual suspects giving a helping hand.
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I guess we shall. I'm surprised people are still skeptical, but in your case I know what you mean. Usually just before a launch company b tries to steal company a's limelight It's happened since the beginning of time. Time will tell though. ;)
 
Lord_Exodia said:
This to me is 100% confirmation that they have had enough time to tweak the architecture so that all the rumors floating could very well be true. 2x TMU's, 512 Cuda Cores, 512bit bus with 2gb high end ddr, better temps/power draw.
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I can easily see that happening. Like you said, they've had months to tweak the architecture and they've also learned a lot about the TSMC 40nm process. GF100 was probably NVIDIA's 4770. It wasn't their first 40nm chip, but it was the first 40nm chip of any meaningful size. Just removing the GPGPU stuff probably makes the die a bit smaller, allowing for a 512 shader part with higher clocks - and that's not including any other improvements.
 
Looking forward to the refresh. Which ever company has the single best performing card by tax refund time gets my cash.
 
Mister E said:
Looking forward to the refresh. Which ever company has the single best performing card by tax refund time gets my cash.
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This, my man.

I wish people would get over the "fanboy" shit that I deal with on various forums.

Whoever has the best - gets my cash. I've never been a fanboy of any company, why would you? What do NVIDIA fanboys do in times like this? Buy a 480? Wait for months during delays?

Why??? What does NVIDIA do for you?

I have a 5970, if AMD's 6970 (single GPU replacement of 5870) kills the 5870 - then I'll tri-fire them.

If this magical new GTX580 smashes that - then I'll tri-SLI that.

Quite simple really.
 
The only time to debate the brands is when you're weighing two cards that are otherwise at a dead heat.

This happens much less often than some would lead you to believe. Currently, and for the past twelve months, there has been a CLEAR choice at every fifty dollar increment starting at $150.
 
I am probably not the first to think this:

Who cares?

With the state PC games are in, they don't require that much rendering power unless you crank IQ, run surround/Eyefinity, or both.

So yeah, who really cares? Especially with 6xxx coming in a few days?
 
Yossarian22 said:
I am probably not the first to think this:

Who cares?

With the state PC games are in, they don't require that much rendering power unless you crank IQ, run surround/Eyefinity, or both.

So yeah, who really cares? Especially with 6xxx coming in a few days?
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That's right - so then the question comes down to, what the fuck are NVIDIA and AMD doing with these gaming developers - why not work closer with them to scale the hardware better somehow?
 
Yossarian22 said:
I am probably not the first to think this:

Who cares?

With the state PC games are in, they don't require that much rendering power unless you crank IQ, run surround/Eyefinity, or both.
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A lot of us here like to do both. I personally like SSAA which requires a lot of rendering power to use with the most recent games. 2xSSAA at 1920x1080 is more taxing than even 5760x1200 Eyefinity.
 
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