Windows XP: Is It Time to Move On?

PornoSatan said:
Pulling the plug comes in the form of new standards that aren't supported on the older OS. Direct X 11, Direct2D, hardware rendering support in the browser, and so on. You can't just "pull the plug", that's impossible. It will take a few years to slowly be phased out.
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yep, I meant individual users to just let xp die. after all these years there should be plenty of reasons to switch. xp doesn't even support dx10 and hard drives with 4k sectors won't be properly formatted natively etc.
 
temujin987 said:
yep, I meant individual users to just let xp die. after all these years there should be plenty of reasons to switch. xp doesn't even support dx10 and hard drives with 4k sectors won't be properly formatted natively etc.
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You forgot not having 4gb ram (minus Vram) unless you want to run the 64bit XP driver gauntlet! But if you didn't still you could have 3 way SLI GTX 480s with -512mb system ram.
 
Betaboy1983 said:
No, no it's not. I don't have a lot of experience with Win7, but Vista is even more worthless than ME was.
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Riiiigggghhhhtttttt...... :rolleyes:

Vista (once SP1 was released) was sooooo much better than XP could ever hope to be.

Some stuff needed to be reconfigured, such as UAC, but other than that, it is a pretty decent OS.

However, 7 is even better.
 
Win7 is great, been using it since beta. XP was great too, in its time, but 2011 is on its way and XP's time has since passed, its time to move on.
 
Why the hell is it time to move away from XP? I mean, I haven't used XP in 3 years, and that's because of XP 64-bit sucks balls. If you got more then 3 gigs of ram, it's worth to upgrade. Otherwise, fuck it.

There's nothing great about Vista/7. Does it come with awesome CD/DVD burning software? No. Does it come with an awesome Office suite? No. Even the famous Media Center sucks, because its hampered with too much DRM, that prevents you from doing anything cool with it. MediaPortal is better then that.

Does Windows Media Player make it worth the upgrade. Hell no, and that's because VLC and MPC is way better. Does IE make it worth to upgrade? Still no, cause anyone worth a damn is going to install FF or Chrome.
 
Ashbringer said:
Why the hell is it time to move away from XP? I mean, I haven't used XP in 3 years, and that's because of XP 64-bit sucks balls. If you got more then 3 gigs of ram, it's worth to upgrade. Otherwise, fuck it.

There's nothing great about Vista/7. Does it come with awesome CD/DVD burning software? No. Does it come with an awesome Office suite? No. Even the famous Media Center sucks, because its hampered with too much DRM, that prevents you from doing anything cool with it. MediaPortal is better then that.

Does Windows Media Player make it worth the upgrade. Hell no, and that's because VLC and MPC is way better. Does IE make it worth to upgrade? Still no, cause anyone worth a damn is going to install FF or Chrome.
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Someone hasnt tried 7, and it shows.
 
Ultima99 said:
Someone hasnt tried 7, and it shows.
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Let me rephrase, since it sounds like you have more than 3GB of RAM you are either on Vista or 7.

Either you're really having some "good ol days" XP nostalgia, or you havent done a proper comparison. Win7 is more stable, much smoother, and far more polished than XP. Tons of other [H]'ers will agree.

Oh yeah, DirectX 10 and 11, but its not like this is a gamer/enthusiast oriented site, right?
 
Ultima99 said:
Someone hasnt tried 7, and it shows.
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Mmmm...yeah that's horse shyt.

I have W7 64 bit. It's nice I suppose but It's just not that big a deal. My XP box does pretty much everything W7 does.

All of my games run on both boxes.
All of my apps work on both boxes.
All of my hardware works on both boxes.

I don't really give a crap about OS's. I only care about the programs that I run on it.
 
What is the big deal about IE9? I tried it, the beta release of course, and was not impressed. I went back to IE8, flexability, compatibility and appearance. I did not see that big speed increase in 9 when you turn everything back on. I like my stuff on the left not fixed on the right and the flexible menu bars of 8. XP users you are not missing anything, stay with 8.

And, if you install 9 you will never get it off. Restore Point does not get the job done. I had to resort to a HD backup from an Acronis.
 
cyclone3d said:
Riiiigggghhhhtttttt...... :rolleyes:

Vista (once SP1 was released) was sooooo much better than XP could ever hope to be.

Some stuff needed to be reconfigured, such as UAC, but other than that, it is a pretty decent OS.

However, 7 is even better.
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Remove protocols, make it harder for a person to 'actually' use (unless you really NEED to be asked 15 times to delete a shortcut) Sorry, I don't want to I have to 'tweak' my O/S so it doesn't annoy the hell out of me, and for what, really? I'd rather rock out NT Server than use Vista any day. Speaking of, gone are the days of gaming when it was up to Carmack to only release a game if it worked under NT. And don't come after me with some DirectX bull, you know what I mean; I hope.
 
k1pp3r said:
My customers still have a lot of 3rd party software that the Devs refuse to make compaitble with Visa or 7, pisses me off
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I have yet to find a 3rd party program that ran fine XP that wont run fine in Win7 using compatibility mode.
 
whiz187 said:
What is the big deal about IE9? I tried it, the beta release of course, and was not impressed. I went back to IE8, flexability, compatibility and appearance. I did not see that big speed increase in 9 when you turn everything back on. I like my stuff on the left not fixed on the right and the flexible menu bars of 8. XP users you are not missing anything, stay with 8.

And, if you install 9 you will never get it off. Restore Point does not get the job done. I had to resort to a HD backup from an Acronis.
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If you have a multimedia key the "favirotes" button will make the list magically appear on the left. You can make all the status and command bars whatever reappear on 9 too so it looks virtually identical. Apart from the search bar which is combined with the adress bar.

Also windows 2000 users, your not missing anything with XP. Stuay in 2000 the world was better then
 
DeathPrincess said:
If you have a multimedia key the "favirotes" button will make the list magically appear on the left. You can make all the status and command bars whatever reappear on 9 too so it looks virtually identical. Apart from the search bar which is combined with the adress bar.

Also windows 2000 users, your not missing anything with XP. Stuay in 2000 the world was better then
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Missing your 56k and your 13" screens eh? The world was better in the 1700's, go get a horse
 
whiz187 said:
And, if you install 9 you will never get it off. Restore Point does not get the job done. I had to resort to a HD backup from an Acronis.
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Thats not true. Go to the control panel > Programs > Uninstall a program then on the left is "view installed updates" uninstall 9 and you go back to 8... But well done with finding the long way round though, I heard McAfee were hiring.
 
Zellio2010 said:
Missing your 56k and your 13" screens eh? The world was better in the 1700's, go get a horse
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I had cable on win98 with a 20" CRT and a Rage 128. I ran a quake 3 server off it for several years off and on, but it sucked when I didnt do it dedicated, especially with linux distros downloading.
1700s sucked with the Nepoleonic wars and slavery, but there was pirates!
But you missed the sarchasm so ill try harder

windows 2000 users, your not missing anything with XP. Stay in 2000 the world was better then:rolleyes:
 
fightingfi said:
havent touched IE since version 6 and its people who dont upgrade that hurt the pc industry by holding onto there old P 4's. My average customer pc i work on is a P4 3.0 ghz 512 mb of ram 128 video and a 120 gig hdd...
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You would hate it where I work lol. We still have several P2-333 boxes running our equipment, some are on xp actually but a couple still have win95 because to replace it would cost over $100k to upgrade a machine that still works fine. At my workstation in the lab I have a mass spectrometer that costs $250k and is using one of our fastest computers which is a P4 from 2006. Not sure if the software for that puppy will work on W7 or not, if not then I will be stuck with XP for a long time. Another couple of units we have that are older, their software will not install on anything above XP SP2, if you have SP3 installed the installer will refuse to work. They have a new version of the software but it costs $3k per unit, which we just can't bite off at the moment.

W7 should be a fairly easy upgrade in an office environment where you only have to worry about the computer itself, but once you move into the manufacturing or laboratory settings you have to worry about many pieces of equipment where the PC is maybe 1% of the cost of the entire system. Heck I just got rid of my last P75/Win3.1 box two years ago when that equipment finally crapped out and needed to be replaced. I still have a few that require ISA slots for their interface cards, which I doubt you are going to find on a W7 compatible PC these days lol. People who build heavy equipment and research grade analytical instruments build them to last for decades, too bad the people who wrote the software to run them retired 10-20 years ago and the new guys don't know how to even make an upgraded interface for them. I have even had their repair guys call me to tell them how to fix the older stuff.

I guess it's also bad that I just upgraded to XP from 2K two years ago when my hard drive died.
 
DeathPrincess said:
I had cable on win98 with a 20" CRT and a Rage 128. I ran a quake 3 server off it for several years off and on, but it sucked when I didnt do it dedicated, especially with linux distros downloading.
1700s sucked with the Nepoleonic wars and slavery, but there was pirates!
But you missed the sarchasm so ill try harder

windows 2000 users, your not missing anything with XP. Stay in 2000 the world was better then:rolleyes:
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You missed my sarcasm, go buy a horse :cool:
 
Ultima99 said:
Let me rephrase, since it sounds like you have more than 3GB of RAM you are either on Vista or 7.
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Shows how little experience you have with OS's. Windows XP 64-bit sucks because it lack drivers and support. Vista and 7 have that support, now. When Vista was first released it didn't have good hardware support.

Windows XP 32-bit can only access up to 3 gigs of ram. So it can't even use 4 gigs. Only Vista or 7 can, and if you go Vista or 7 you might as well install a 64-bit version. BTW, 64-bit versions still give a lot of trouble with software and drivers, so some people tend to stick with 32-bit.
Either you're really having some "good ol days" XP nostalgia, or you havent done a proper comparison. Win7 is more stable, much smoother, and far more polished than XP. Tons of other [H]'ers will agree.
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If tons of other [H]ers are jumping off a bridge, will I?

Stability for any OS is mainly depentant on drivers and quality of hardware. I use Windows 7 right now, and it hasn't been smooth.

I had random problems with it resuming from standby. Monitor wouldn't turn on, and mouse and keyboard wouldn't either. It doesn't happen now, but I'm guessing a Windows update fixed that.

Oh, and windows update is like a double edged sword. A recent update fucked up my bluetooth headset that I use for skype.

Stable my ass, but as with most problems it's driver quality.
Oh yeah, DirectX 10 and 11, but its not like this is a gamer/enthusiast oriented site, right?
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Have you looked at Valve's hardware survey? There's a lot of people that still use DirectX 9 video cards, and just as many use Windows XP. Either way, DirectX 9 is not going anywhere for a long time.

DirectX10 or 11 doesn't matter, and won't for some time. You can blame that on Microsoft's Xbox 360, which is forcing games to use DX9 tech. You'll never truly get a DX10 or DX11 game unless games are made exclusively or PC. Otherwise, they'll just be just to create better water and shadows. Big, deal.

Your definition of a hardware enthusiast is skewed as well. In Windows XP you can easily overclock you video card, cause there was no restriction to have digitally signed drivers. Not the case with Vista or 7. Gone are the days of having modified drivers, or utilities that did a better job of overclocking your PC.

Ah, but an enthusiast is about he who spends the most money. God forbid if people ran there games in DX9 to gain a FPS increase, rather then getting the unnecessary water and shadow effects, that nobody will notice.

BTW, I own a Radeon 4670, so don't go making any assumptions.
 
Ashbringer said:
Shows how little experience you have with OS's. Windows XP 64-bit sucks because it lack drivers and support. Vista and 7 have that support, now. When Vista was first released it didn't have good hardware support.
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I personally wouldn't bash people for not knowing things that you don't either. 32 bit doesn't support 3 gigs ram. It supports 4 gigs, but that a combination of main ram and video ram. If your video card uses tons of ram you could even have less then 3 gigs.
 
/Zellio2010/
I agree and confirm, I have ~20 machines with 8gb ram and 1gb Quadro video cards, Windows sees 2.75gb
 
Who's dealing with old incompatible apps?

Who's dealing with a company who can't afford to, or just doesn't want to replace said apps?

Who's still seeing a ton of rigs with XP and IE6?


And you will continue to for a while yet.
 
Monkey just said what I was trying to earlier, thanks for making it awesome!
 
The cons of Windows 7 alone outweigh the pros and cons of Windows XP for me. I have personally setup Windows 7 on three machines (one of them a server and two of them for my family's laptops). Windows 7 isn't so bad on the basic, front-end'ish functionality, but boy.. there are so many things just WRONG in Windows 7.

For example, file sharing over a Home network is a nightmare. The control panel is a nightmare too, even with that trick where you rename a folder to have some {920385-32523-325125124-1241241} stuff after it. I can't find anything I am looking for, and instead of simplifying things on this side of the story, they've complicated it.

I like the taskbar functionality. That's good. I like some other things too. But doing things in Windows 7 that is more than just the upper/front-end basic functionality and features can be a living nightmare. In XP, it's straight-forward ... *snaps finger* just like that.

For me anyway. Maybe not for you. But for me, yes. :)
 
EDIT: Dad is in his mid-50s I think. He's not anywhere near as tech savvy as I, but at least good enough to understand a handful of computer basics.

He likes Windows 7.

And my younger brother, now going to college, also likes Windows 7. (And he couldn't figure out how to access shares from his PC over the network to his laptop [running Windows 7]. Turns on password-protected sharing was turned on by default, and Windows 7 generates horribly inconvenient access passwords.)
 
Knight_of_BAAWA said:
Even though I'm planning on another box in the future so I can run 7 x64, I don't care about IE9 not being for XP. I use Opera nearly exclusively. It works perfectly fine on XP.

IE is used solely for Patch Tuesday for me.
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OPERA FTW.

Until cpu's break the magical 6GHZ dual core barrier under 95 watts, im clinging to my old 3.0GHZ AMD dual core .
 
I'm still running an old P4 northwood machine with XP for the hell of it. Other then that, been running 7 since RC1.
 
People need to move on XP is dead, and they don't have to worry about corporate accounts moving to mac. They should just make a copy of windows 7 30-50 dollars, and get people in the door. That said come on people at 80 -120 dollars you've gotten your moneys worth for 10 years.
 
Could someone please enumerate the benefits of Win7 vs XP ?
I tried Vista and saw zero benefit. Maybe some eye candy, but it is all about the apps.

So why bother with Win7?
 
Just got a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and I've put it in a virtual machine to test it out before I take the plunge.

It seems pretty solid so far, although I am having a few problems with networking/shared folders that I'll iron out in due time. Other than that, I'm looking forward to using it full time.

Honestly, I really could not care less if other people want to stick with XP, and I'm not going to belittle them if they so choose. Some people have computers that they bought a year ago that came with XP/Vista and what they have works fine, so they've got no reason to go out and spend money on Win7.

Personally, I have two XP virtual machines on my network for torrents and they do what I need, so I've got no reason to upgrade them.
 
Cerulean said:
The cons of Windows 7 alone outweigh the pros and cons of Windows XP for me. I have personally setup Windows 7 on three machines (one of them a server and two of them for my family's laptops). Windows 7 isn't so bad on the basic, front-end'ish functionality, but boy.. there are so many things just WRONG in Windows 7.
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For example, file sharing over a Home network is a nightmare.
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Uh, sure... if you don't know what you're doing.

Shared folders on 7 are just as easy as they've always been:
1. Right click on the folder
2. Properties
3. Go to the "Sharing" Tab
4. Click the "Share" button
5. Select "Everyone" from the dropdown and click share.

You'll also want to turn off password protected sharing in Control Panel-> Network and Sharing Center -> Advanced Sharing Options.

There's also the homegroups feature.

The control panel is a nightmare too:
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Why?

View By-> Large Icons is essentially the classic control panel, and you can always search for whatever you're looking for at the top right.

I like the taskbar functionality. That's good. I like some other things too. But doing things in Windows 7 that is more than just the upper/front-end basic functionality and features can be a living nightmare.
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Like what?
 
Some people in this thread just aren't even worth arguing with... frig....
 
HardUp4HardWare said:
Could someone please enumerate the benefits of Win7 vs XP ?
I tried Vista and saw zero benefit. Maybe some eye candy, but it is all about the apps.

So why bother with Win7?
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Main thing is homegroup. If you have more than one file and dont want to have a load of cables running around or multiple lan whatevers then homegroup is great.

If you muust use XP oldness then you can use vmware version of xp (it even has ie6).

Ability to use later direct x versions if your into modern games, as some are starting to be 10/11 only (not many yet).

mainstream 64bit. xp doesnt have the drivers for 64bit stuff often, and 32bit limits you to the whole 4-vram issue.

Ability to play and burn DVDs and stuff without other software (I dont remember XP doing that probably did).

Not being garishly blue. Also pointless junk like multiple time zone clocks and changing backgrounds. Oh but better multi screen support

Jumplists are great for increasing productivity as you can have all of your favirote and most used programs within one click on the taskbar. This also takes up a load less room if your a 20 different programs person.

Better security. The security essentials (free virus/malware protection) genrally better security against things that kick XP in the groin. Unless your one of those crazy go to weird websites and click random shit and open attachments person, then you cant be helped.

Support for SSDs TRIM and such. Also while on drives superfetch and other things make programs and startup alot quicker than xp. Programs are preloaded before you even click on them, so opening of programs is much smoother.

When you put in a new device the update service will download the drivers for you mostly. Which is good if you don't want to play with drivers.

Chess and mah jong.

different input languages can be added much more easily then before, also theres no messing around with unicode settings and junk like that. If you need it (I do)

Its not a dinosaur.

Lots of others.
 
I still see no reason to upgrade except the major reason of microsoft trying to make us, with dx10 and other various non updates. As long as my programs work I don't care what operating system I'm using.
 
I hate Win7, I really do. But I've moved to it on my main pc just because I know I pretty much have to at this point. It just seems to me they made it for the lowest common denominator (as pc users go), and feels very "consolely" to me for lack of a better word.
 
I am using IE8 and I can't even get on hardocp unless I google it first. Seems somethings never change. How about making IE 8 bug free first? Yeah, we will cram it with features and buggy code and say here we have IE 9 now. No need to thank us.
 
You can make xp look almost the same as windows 7. If your just doing regular stuff on xp then 7 won't much a difference at all. I've used both and upgrading to 7 for me doesn't have too much benefits. I know xp only has directx9. Right now most games are based around dx9 as it is. I don't care about the looks either. I can modify the looks easily by modifying the uxtheme file in windows. Some of you guys just spew a lot of crap only because you have to justify how much you payed upfront. The average joe doesn't even need to upgrade as it is. Only thing i see is directx9 mostly. If games required dx10 i would change mostly lol. Almost everything is in directx9 and directx9 performs better than dx10 with almost the same looks. Some people say xp x64 is trash but it isn't. Most those people haven't even ran it. If they did ran it they probably did it only for a couple days. I'm probably just going to wait until windows 8. Its coming up faster than what people think. Probably by 2011 there will be a beta.
 
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