Dell Plans More Than $100 Billion Spending in China

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Dell, Inc, the 3rd largest PC maker in the world is expanding its operations in China. The computer giant will be adding a second operations center and an office in Xiamen. Dell is presently ranked second to Hewlett-Packard Co in computer shipments to China.

The $100 billion spending projection is a conservative estimate that includes purchases of components and products procured in China, Dell spokesman David Frink said. The company spent about $23 billion in China in 2009, he said.
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Dell has been sending more and more to China, Moving my Business FROM them was the best decision i could have made
 
it is always great that u.s companies are spending billions and more billions in china
 
umcpgrad said:
it is always great that u.s companies are spending billions and more billions in china
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Unless they are giving you specifically a job, actually you do benefit greatly from them building in china.
 
obs said:
Unless they are giving you specifically a job, actually you do benefit greatly from them building in china.
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Yep, all that pesky USA tax revenue both local and federal not to mention the overall impact of having several hundred americans employed to local businesses and the economy in general is something we dont need. But hey, just buy Dell stock instead of food.
 
obs said:
Unless they are giving you specifically a job, actually you do benefit greatly from them building in china.
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The scary part about this article is they are talking about computer-parts being shipped 'To' China and not 'From' China to the US. Basically, China is rapdily developing its own middle class and its own demand for products its makes as they are the world's second largest economy and potentially over a billion customers.

As Americas job market continues to decline, unemployment rates rise, the average wealth and saving of an American citizen decline, selling computers to Chinese citizens who can afford them as they have jobs to keep the coporate beast running is the only real survival mechanism.

China is becoming the new consumer nation...except...they actually make things.
 
BillParrish said:
Yep, all that pesky USA tax revenue both local and federal not to mention the overall impact of having several hundred americans employed to local businesses and the economy in general is something we dont need. But hey, just buy Dell stock instead of food.
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So if the stock value drops, does that mean its gone stale or even spoiled? I should learn this now before I end up eating rotted Dell stock.
 
BillParrish said:
Yep, all that pesky USA tax revenue both local and federal not to mention the overall impact of having several hundred americans employed to local businesses and the economy in general is something we dont need. But hey, just buy Dell stock instead of food.
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Guess what, the economy isn't good or bad based on tax revenue. Tax revenue is good or bad based on the economy. Shipping jobs overseas allow for cheaper computer parts which allows consumers to save money which in turn allows consumer to buy more.

Voluntary trade helps BOTH parties involved.
 
obs said:
Unless they are giving you specifically a job, actually you do benefit greatly from them building in china.
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Wrong. Where do you think the displaced worker will go? And who will he displace then? It's the same fallacious thinking about mexican immigrants aren't taking any jobs. They will propagate a pressure from the bottom up right up the ladder
 
Hels said:
Wrong. Where do you think the displaced worker will go? And who will he displace then? It's the same fallacious thinking about mexican immigrants aren't taking any jobs. They will propagate a pressure from the bottom up right up the ladder
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They go to the same place all the farmers went. Agriculture used to be the majority of our economy. Now it's less than 1%. Yet amazingly, we actually grow more food now. Jobs get lost all the time. I mean, where are all the milk delivery men now?

Seriously, read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284762035&sr=8-1
 
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Hels said:
Wrong. Where do you think the displaced worker will go? And who will he displace then? It's the same fallacious thinking about mexican immigrants aren't taking any jobs. They will propagate a pressure from the bottom up right up the ladder
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You're right. Immigrants are actually quite beneficial to the US economy because of all the labor they provide cheaply.
 
obs said:
They go to the same place all the farmers went. Agriculture used to be the majority of our economy. Now it's less than 1%. Yet amazingly, we actually grow more food now. Jobs get lost all the time. I mean, where are all the milk delivery men now?

Seriously, read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284762035&sr=8-1
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With 9,7% unemployment - the employment line? You're extrapolating a trend that may or may not continue.

Please read this free book:
http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/LIGHTSTUNNEL.PD
 
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obs said:
Guess what, the economy isn't good or bad based on tax revenue. Tax revenue is good or bad based on the economy. Shipping jobs overseas allow for cheaper computer parts which allows consumers to save money which in turn allows consumer to buy more.

Voluntary trade helps BOTH parties involved.
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Come on man.. you should know better than to use logic when people only read sensational comments.
 
wintermute said:
DELL --A true American company. NOT!
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Exactly, but people have to rethink their views on companies. Their not American Companies any more, their Globle Companies. Dell doesn't give a rats ass anymore whether America likes them or not. They may have started in America but the pastures are greener in other lands so off they have gone with both fingers in the air. If all of America quit buying Dell it just doesn't matter anymore, their is a new middle income maker in other lands that will make up for lost sales.
 
Here's an idea, how about we tax any company that doesn't have at least 51% of it's holdings, investment and, jobs in the U.S. at a higher rate, say double?
 
We should pay no taxes when we buy Dell products, but they outside U.S.A. who buy Dell should pay high taxes to benefit us.

How 'bout that?
 
China is America in the industrial revolution, tremendous growth there in the next 20 years. A lot of money to be made if you can get along with the government. All of Americas true wealth (its jobs) are being sent their in those little boxes on ships we get in our ports every day.
 
See I stay out of this people doing stuff cheaper than other people so people use them for greater profitability or something by ensuring that everything I own is made by robots.

Actually shouldn't robots be making everything now and we all be sitting in a fields drinking a fine Chianti and Fava beans?


Hallucinator said:
We should pay no taxes when we buy Dell products, but they outside U.S.A. who buy Dell should pay high taxes to benefit us.

How 'bout that?
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Because that almost already happens with most goods anyway? $80 games and my $470 GTX 470. Good thing I didnt get a $625 GTX 480...
 
Hels said:
Wrong. Where do you think the displaced worker will go? And who will he displace then? It's the same fallacious thinking about mexican immigrants aren't taking any jobs. They will propagate a pressure from the bottom up right up the ladder
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I'm sorry- and maybe I'm wrong here- but since when is it Dell's obligation and priority to employ people?

I thought they were in the business of building cost effective, good and reliable computers for a profit for it's shareholders- not a non-profit welfare program providing jobs at will.
 
jen4950 said:
I'm sorry- and maybe I'm wrong here- but since when is it Dell's obligation and priority to employ people?

I thought they were in the business of building cost effective, good and reliable computers for a profit for it's shareholders- not a non-profit welfare program providing jobs at will.
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That is the problem. The definition of a successful company has come to mean it has a good ROI and pays dividends. Part of my definition of success is to employ a work force that earns enough to buy my products.

Using one and only one metric to rate a company is a major part of the current financial straights the U.S. is experiencing. How many jobs do we have to lose before we learn from our mistakes? No one ever said making a profit was a bad thing but, when did that come to mean allowing anyone else to make a profit is a bad thing?

We continue to emulate the Chinese/Japanese even as we continue to suffer trade deficits by treating them like Western businesses.
 
Magnus said:
That is the problem. The definition of a successful company has come to mean it has a good ROI and pays dividends. Part of my definition of success is to employ a work force that earns enough to buy my products.

Using one and only one metric to rate a company is a major part of the current financial straights the U.S. is experiencing. How many jobs do we have to lose before we learn from our mistakes? No one ever said making a profit was a bad thing but, when did that come to mean allowing anyone else to make a profit is a bad thing?

We continue to emulate the Chinese/Japanese even as we continue to suffer trade deficits by treating them like Western businesses.
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Why the fuck is that a problem?

If those people were worth their wage, why don't they go to the next high tech company down the road? Do they have to work at Dell? Or if there isn't some tech company, why don't they go to the widget factory?

Truth is people need to improve their skill set to remain relevant.

I'm sure all of the Dell staff in the US is paid handsomely for engineering, logistics and management. If someone in China can plug a chip in a socket for 3 cents including shipping, why in your right mind would you pay someone in America to plug that same chip in the same socket for 8 cents?

Who in their right mind, without a government or union subsidy would do that? They wouldn't, and don't!

I get back to the same question- is Dell an entity out there to pay people to make widgets damned the costs, or are they a company that is there to make a profit for the stakeholders? This is a fundamental concept people.
 
jen4950 said:
Why the fuck is that a problem?

If those people were worth their wage, why don't they go to the next high tech company down the road? Do they have to work at Dell? Or if there isn't some tech company, why don't they go to the widget factory?

Truth is people need to improve their skill set to remain relevant.

I'm sure all of the Dell staff in the US is paid handsomely for engineering, logistics and management. If someone in China can plug a chip in a socket for 3 cents including shipping, why in your right mind would you pay someone in America to plug that same chip in the same socket for 8 cents?

Who in their right mind, without a government or union subsidy would do that? They wouldn't, and don't!

I get back to the same question- is Dell an entity out there to pay people to make widgets damned the costs, or are they a company that is there to make a profit for the stakeholders? This is a fundamental concept people.
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Your concept is fundamentally flawed because I and many others believe company's have obligations beyond earning a profit. That 'down sizing, outsourcing and diversifying' have come to mean ANYTHING to make a buck. Not only to make a buck but, to actively strive to keep others from making a buck (by others I mean other Americans).

The bottom line is that the entire concept of enlightened self interest no longer exists in the American business landscape hence, my reference to China and Japan. Do you really think China, India and a host of other third world countries will continue to offer cheap labor in perpetuity? Or, like our current corporations, do you not care as long as you get your quarterly bonus?
 
Magnus said:
Your concept is fundamentally flawed because I and many others believe company's have obligations beyond earning a profit. That 'down sizing, outsourcing and diversifying' have come to mean ANYTHING to make a buck. Not only to make a buck but, to actively strive to keep others from making a buck (by others I mean other Americans).

The bottom line is that the entire concept of enlightened self interest no longer exists in the American business landscape hence, my reference to China and Japan. Do you really think China, India and a host of other third world countries will continue to offer cheap labor in perpetuity? Or, like our current corporations, do you not care as long as you get your quarterly bonus?
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Maybe your vision is fundamentally flawed.

Without BUCKS you don't have businesses.

People go stuff their 401k in their mattress.

They probably won't offer their neaqr free labor into perpetuity for good reason- their SKILL SET will become saturated, and command a higher value.

I don't get it- if someone else can do the same job better for cheaper, what is the big holdup? Or maybe it is a holdup. Johnny American can no longer get $50 for 1,000 lines of code; he can only get $20 because of foreign development pressure.

LET'S RAISE HOLY HELL!

Well- maybe Johnny needs to go hire 3 Indians on Freelancer.com at $10/1,000 and get 3,000 lines of code written for $30 while he kicks his feet up on the desk, earning $30 revenue for his same time spent with no effort on this project- but plenty spent on others. Who would have thought of that one?

Oh- that's right. 90 percent of American workers need their paycheck on a silver platter once they get the job.

WTF.
 
Hallucinator said:
We should pay no taxes when we buy Dell products, but they outside U.S.A. who buy Dell should pay high taxes to benefit us.

How 'bout that?
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Hi, I have no active opinion on this topic, but just to supply certain info for your reference.

1. There are certain Dell products, example, entry servers. You can get them much cheaper in America in comparison to other places because they enjoy substantial discount in America for a long time. The difference is sometimes 10 to 25 percent. Official web listed price, not some special background dealing.

Cheers
 
Sorry if previous post is not very clear about the point

Dell is already giving America benefit with superior price, most in America
 
lightp2 said:
Hi, I have no active opinion on this topic, but just to supply certain info for your reference.

1. There are certain Dell products, example, entry servers. You can get them much cheaper in America in comparison to other places because they enjoy substantial discount in America for a long time. The difference is sometimes 10 to 25 percent. Official web listed price, not some special background dealing.

Cheers
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I buy Dell servers at substantially lower discounts than that- an they are damn good- they will continue to be my hardware supplier for the foreseeable future.
 
Dell is giving 100 billion to their future competition. Well, if it makes them happy, but it seems kind of stupid to me.
 
With 100 billion$ Dell could have create jobs by hiring American people with tech skills, NOT over there!

Patriotism is dead.
 
I am not an ecnomist so this is just a guess

1. According to Economist theories originated from the west, government put in x-dollar, it will create a ripple effect, and maybe multiply the effects of the dollar multiple times as it expands.

2. Dell put in the dollars, it will create an multiplication impact to all related fields. The economic activities expands on greater level, living standard raised, demand for other things rising, in turn creating demands for other services/products, both internal and external? So some of them could be a need for America's products/services as well? Dell obviously get other benefits along the way. Dell is not stupid, you know.

Now for the question why China? Why not invest in the middle of the Ocean?

All investment requires reasonable evaluation of multiple factors. Most standard commercial investment requires times to reap rewards, (only illegal activities can gain extremely fast rewards, I am against illegal activities). If you invest in the middle of nowhere, it takes times to finally build up a case for sustainable reward.

As China is currently expected to be expanding in many ways across many industries/fields, many are arguing that it has such an environment where a lot of the commercial things are quite reasonable/needed, with sensible rewards.

If they believe otherwise, then they will invest elsewhere.

There's no guarantee though, for this whole thing, so it is quite reasonable many have different ideas.
 
jen4950 said:
Maybe your vision is fundamentally flawed.

Without BUCKS you don't have businesses.

People go stuff their 401k in their mattress.

They probably won't offer their neaqr free labor into perpetuity for good reason- their SKILL SET will become saturated, and command a higher value.

I don't get it- if someone else can do the same job better for cheaper, what is the big holdup? Or maybe it is a holdup. Johnny American can no longer get $50 for 1,000 lines of code; he can only get $20 because of foreign development pressure.

LET'S RAISE HOLY HELL!

Well- maybe Johnny needs to go hire 3 Indians on Freelancer.com at $10/1,000 and get 3,000 lines of code written for $30 while he kicks his feet up on the desk, earning $30 revenue for his same time spent with no effort on this project- but plenty spent on others. Who would have thought of that one?

Oh- that's right. 90 percent of American workers need their paycheck on a silver platter once they get the job.

WTF.
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First off, I am not an US citizen, I have no stake in whatever dell does. But Dell is an agent of their own interest, so are the working people affected. That's why some people are boycotting dell. They are doing the same as dell, furthering their interest.
 
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