Pentagon Chooses Two Companies to Build Flying Humvee

PWMK2 said:
Economics != law. The U.S. government could say tomorrow, "We're not paying you back, China," and guess what China could do about it? Pretty much nothing.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration. The resulting breakdown of the world economy would significantly reduce the standard of living of just about everyone on the planet.
 
A fleet of armed, armored humvees is traveling through a city and they're desperately needed when allies are attacked twenty miles to the south. Instead of blowing all the time navigating the streets and traveling as safely as they can over a road potentially littered with IEDs and other more common hazards, imagine these humvees can become airborne in minutes and make a bee-line to their destination. You're talking cutting their travel time from twenty or thirty minutes to five minutes. Most helicopters easily exceed 100MPH and I imagine the demands for this... hybrid vehicle won't be much different.
 
thefreeaccount said:
That's a bit of an exaggeration.
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Not when faced with invasion, it isn't. As hard as it is to imagine a scenario in which China attempted to put boots on the ground in the US to fight against them in a war, it's even harder to imagine the US surrendering because they owe China too much money to fight back because China called up all the debts.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Not necessarily, if they're not being used then they're really a huge waste of money.



If you would have said Chinese I might have agreed with you to a point, but you had to toss in the terrorist word. And I think "terrorists" really have shown us all the "high tech weaponry" really is useless in the "war on terror", bombers are useful, but they hardly need to be stealthy, and fighters are worse than useless since "terrorists" typically don't have jets.

It's going to be really hard to fight that battle against other super powers if we can't afford the armed forces we have. If China does go to war with us, their first move is to say "ok pay up" and then they win by bankruptcy.
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Look up the word Deterrent, If their not doing anything, Besides training then their not a waste of money as they are a visible deterrent against all enemies of the USA, Both Foreign and Domestic as prescribed in the US Constitution and by Acts and Laws made by Congress and signed into Law by the President of the USA as the Constitution authorizes Congress to do the work of Government and for the President to be both Commander in Chief and President of the USA, Only Your idea of what is a waste of money is, misinformed. If the money were spent on something that can't be used for anything that was originally intended, Then that would be a waste of Money. Aircraft, Ships, Weapons and Such that are to be used by the US Military are never a waste of money as they are intended to defend this nation and the people of the USA, Unless of course the money were spent on Obsolete Technology, then the money spent would be a waste of money. The US Congress is prescribed by the Constitution to provide for a common defense of the USA, So do not say such a thing. All previously enacted laws are binding upon everyone(unless one is dead), Unless those laws are struck down or they are nullified by a new Constitutional Amendment, You say You didn't sign that old law or that the law didn't consult You? Too bad, You have to obey that law as do all People within the borders of the USA, Don't like a certain law? Get It changed by getting enough people in Congress or Ones State Government or Local Government to change said law as that is called getting a Consensus, It's called a Democracy for a very good reason, And yes Democracy is not an American invention, It's a Greek invention... Sad to say(not), Many things We use or have used are not American inventions, The Clock, Gun powder, Airplanes, etc, Some are like the Light Bulb, Radio and AC electricity are, But I digress.

The Chinese a threat? To their own population maybe, To US? Like how and why? They'd be hurting themselves, And US is one of their trading partners, we're each others customers, Attacking each other would be nuts. You need to bone up on Your Foreign Events and Statistics, In other words Critical Thinking, Hello.
 
Spewn said:
Not when faced with invasion, it isn't. As hard as it is to imagine a scenario in which China attempted to put boots on the ground in the US to fight against them in a war, it's even harder to imagine the US surrendering because they owe China too much money to fight back because China called up all the debts.
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Bah, Now just how would China move even a 1/4 of their massive Army across the Pacific without being noticed and without US knowing or without thinning their garrison Troops too much? Let Me guess they'd dig tunnels under the Ocean, Not possible, If You think It could be done, Then You've watched a few too many movies. China has millions of Troops, But has Billions of Citizens to stand guard over.
 
JokerCPoC said:
Bah, Now just how would China move even a 1/4 of their massive Army across the Pacific without being noticed and without US knowing or without thinning their garrison Troops too much?
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Which is why I said, pretty clearly I thought, that it would be very hard to imagine such a situation. Regardless, my point was simply that as unlikely as a war between China and the US is, the US surrendering due to their massive Chinese debt is even less likely.
 
Spewn said:
Which is why I said, pretty clearly I thought, that it would be very hard to imagine such a situation. Regardless, my point was simply that as unlikely as a war between China and the US is, the US surrendering due to their massive Chinese debt is even less likely.
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In which case We agree, Not bad. Sorry about My misunderstanding Your intent. :eek:
 
Debt is a different Topic N US n da western WORLD IS F#$#@#@@ but anything that causes less injuries & deaths for US Soldiers is a good thing....worry bout da debt ?>????? Vote RON PAUL 2012 N learn about da Federal Reserve/ Military industrial complex scam n spread da info like AIR BORNE EBOLA.
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
its more dangerous than the cold war. there you dealt with bunch of commies and socialists that had a little common sense and the desire to live the life; here you are talking about bunch of terrorists that are born to kill others

we have to put even more money into the US military to make sure no one even comes close; Russians are already spending more and US must be able to bring China down if the time comes

With cuts in Pentagon which resulted in the cancellations of more B2 and F22 airplanes, it's obvious the progress has stopped and it is dangerous. US military is practically the only thing stopping terrorists and Russian satellite states from taking over. History shows that Europeans always fall easy when it counts the most especially now that they are packed with terrorist sympathizer immigrants and leftists

For hippies like you loving to critize US at every opportunity, ofcourse it hurts for US military to get stronger
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Hilarity there sir; pure hilarity.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Not necessarily, if they're not being used then they're really a huge waste of money.



If you would have said Chinese I might have agreed with you to a point, but you had to toss in the terrorist word. And I think "terrorists" really have shown us all the "high tech weaponry" really is useless in the "war on terror", bombers are useful, but they hardly need to be stealthy, and fighters are worse than useless since "terrorists" typically don't have jets.

It's going to be really hard to fight that battle against other super powers if we can't afford the armed forces we have. If China does go to war with us, their first move is to say "ok pay up" and then they win by bankruptcy.
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It doesn't work that way. The US would probably avoid paying it somehow and even so, what China owns is only a small part of the debt. Over 30 countries are holders of US treasury securities.

Japan almost owns as much as China. The UK, Brazil, Russia, etc... also all own large amounts of US debt.

http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
 
China is not much of a threat to the US. They are large trading partners and China has NO way to invade US soil. Even if they tried, the logistics would make it impossible since troops constantly need to be supplied and reinforced. Then there is also the problem of things going nuclear.
 
PWMK2 said:
I don't think France's first move against Germany was to say, "Hah! You can't invade us! You owe us money!"
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Maybe things would have gone better for them if they did try that. I mean, throwing their weapons down and yelling "Je me rends" didn't work out so well.
 
aren't humvees already gas gussling enough? i still want one :p. hell, hurry up with mr. fusion. not long till 2015!!!
 
Perhaps, instead of devising new ways of destroying the enemy, it would be a better idea to change foreign policy to not create so many enemies.
 
Draax said:
Perhaps, instead of devising new ways of destroying the enemy, it would be a better idea to change foreign policy to not create so many enemies.
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Great idea

Lets surrender to terrorist natioans and make Sharia Law valid in all western countries and suppress any freedom of speech so terrorists can feel at ease

Definitely a foreign policy that a hippie liberal can dream of
 
Draax said:
Perhaps, instead of devising new ways of destroying the enemy, it would be a better idea to change foreign policy to not create so many enemies.
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I agree with you Draax. It's surprising how many countries don't have to worry about global terrorist threats. Perhaps it's because they mind they own business?

WAKA I've long since ignored since I think he's just trolling.
 
niconx said:
Did someone misplace all the helicopters? What happened to the helicopters? :eek:
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Did you forget? Helicopters explode in action movies. We're living in an action movie, remember? Flying cars, on the other hand, are too cool to explode. ;)
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
its more dangerous than the cold war. there you dealt with bunch of commies and socialists that had a little common sense and the desire to live the life; here you are talking about bunch of terrorists that are born to kill others

we have to put even more money into the US military to make sure no one even comes close; Russians are already spending more and US must be able to bring China down if the time comes

With cuts in Pentagon which resulted in the cancellations of more B2 and F22 airplanes, it's obvious the progress has stopped and it is dangerous. US military is practically the only thing stopping terrorists and Russian satellite states from taking over. History shows that Europeans always fall easy when it counts the most especially now that they are packed with terrorist sympathizer immigrants and leftists

For hippies like you loving to critize US at every opportunity, ofcourse it hurts for US military to get stronger
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Ring wing ignorance at its best. Keep digging your self into a bigger hole as you're not smart enough to stop digging. :rolleyes:
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
Great idea

Lets surrender to terrorist natioans and make Sharia Law valid in all western countries and suppress any freedom of speech so terrorists can feel at ease

Definitely a foreign policy that a hippie liberal can dream of
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... and that is exactly what I proposed wasn't it?:rolleyes:
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
Great idea

Lets surrender to terrorist natioans and make Sharia Law valid in all western countries and suppress any freedom of speech so terrorists can feel at ease

Definitely a foreign policy that a hippie liberal can dream of
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Yes awesome idea, because changing foreign policy to ... I don't know ... allowing countries to govern themselves totally is the same as surrendering to all those nations which are overflowing with terrorists

Lets just destroy governments and put in leaders who will do what we want, because as history has shown us that has worked so damn well in the past, I mean look at Afghanistan if it wasn't for us they'd be another Russian state, good thing we trained them over there how to use guerrilla like tactics, and gave a guy with the initials O.B.L. arms and money to fight out his holy war.
 
I can see this as being useful if they have to transport troops to an urban environment and there isn't an available area to land a chopper, so they have to drive a few miles. The problem is, if they drive these into combat, how do you prevent the enemy from damaging the rotors and engines? These things couldn't have very good range, if they have both a heavy gas engine and turbine.
 
stealthy123 said:
how many years you think it would take the terrorists to catch up when they live in freaking caves?

our military is bigger something like the next 17 largest militaries in the world combined.

don't pretend we are in any more or less danger from terrorists if we have flying humvees.

military spending is ridiculous, it's not the cold war anymore and even then it was bullshit to spend that much more than every other country on the planet.

it has nothing to do with protecting us anymore and they brainwashed you into believing it is,
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agreed
i support research to keep advancing but there definitely needs to be some common sense thrown in to curve some of this reckless spending
it seems many of this spending is to prepare us for an enemy that isnt there. We are not going to war against China or Russia, period. And if we did, fancy fighter jets and flying humvees aint gonna do crap because nukes will be flying.
and then ofcourse, all this technology isnt going to keep a suicide bomber from blowing himself up
 
Honestly I don't know if I'd feel more safe driving on the ground or flying low near the ground... It's real easy to shoot something flying around 80mph low to the ground, don't you think?

However I could imagine a helicopter turbine with a gear system allowing it to either turn wheels or turn a propeller shaft... May not be impossibly hard to do, but the costs would probably SOAR, would probably just be cheaper to have a separate hummer and helicopter than a jack of all tradesmobile?
 
The real problem is that the citizens are disconnected, financially, from the goverment.

Just as citizens let their credit cards run away from them, the government lets their ability to borrow from the Federal Reserve run away from them. The debt accrued is then paid buy our taxes

As citizens, we need to invest directly into the government than indirectly via paying taxes to the Federal Reserve.

BUY BACK AMERICA!

Psychologically, if we are financially vested in the Government, and have a certificate to prove (i.e. T-Bonds, T-bills, etc) we will in turn pay the necessary attention to the funds are being appropriated.

Maybe there are economists that can prove me wrong, but if the US Government borrows money from its constituents, it will have to borrow less from the Fed Reserve, thus allowing the people to rule and not just another bank with financial entanglements with corporations. Which brings us to military spending, and this back into perspective. Those corporations being defense contractors.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Yes awesome idea, because changing foreign policy to ... I don't know ... allowing countries to govern themselves totally is the same as surrendering to all those nations which are overflowing with terrorists

Lets just destroy governments and put in leaders who will do what we want, because as history has shown us that has worked so damn well in the past, I mean look at Afghanistan if it wasn't for us they'd be another Russian state, good thing we trained them over there how to use guerrilla like tactics, and gave a guy with the initials O.B.L. arms and money to fight out his holy war.
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If they are a danger they must be dealt with regardless of having any rights to govern themselves or not. If they cannot mind their own business and threaten our freedom and interests then they must be taught a lesson
 
PWMK2 said:
Economics != law. The U.S. government could say tomorrow, "We're not paying you back, China," and guess what China could do about it? Pretty much nothing. If things could be done about that, then Hitler would never have been able to "afford" going to war against Poland in the first place. Google 'World War I reparations' to see what I mean.

I don't think France's first move against Germany was to say, "Hah! You can't invade us! You owe us money!"
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Haha. You seem to forget the part where the US still needs to borrow about a trillion dollars a year. Good luck finding people to do that when you just defaulted. Borrowing costs would skyrocket, we wouldn't be able to fund most of our shit, and our economy and currency would collapse.
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
If they are a danger they must be dealt with regardless of having any rights to govern themselves or not. If they cannot mind their own business and threaten our freedom and interests then they must be taught a lesson
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LOL. Yea, we only have troops in countries that cannot mind their own business. So how many attacks against the US have happened from outsiders vs US citizens?
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
If they cannot mind their own business and threaten our freedom and interests then they must be taught a lesson
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You know it's funny you say this, because many (most) would say that it's because we can't mind OUR own business that these other entities despise us so. They mess with us, we drop bombs on them, when we mess with them first, oh they're not allowed to do anything.
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
If they are a danger they must be dealt with regardless of having any rights to govern themselves or not. If they cannot mind their own business and threaten our freedom and interests then they must be taught a lesson
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Yeah, danger to oil hoarding. Hey guys, they have oil, let's invade and call them terrorists!
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
Yes lets stop making the army stronger and better so bunch of liberals and stoned pacifists can feel better
Lets stop making progress and let terrorists catch up with us; what a great plan to surrender our freedom in future to terrorists
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Yes, because if we don't have flying humvees the terrorists will definitely win. :rolleyes:
I should pitch my idea for riding ostriches with attached .50 cal machine guns to the DoD. We wouldn't want the terrorists to have a leg up in case we ever go toe to toe on an open savanna.
 
Hamish Campbell said:
Yes, because if we don't have flying humvees the terrorists will definitely win. :rolleyes:
I should pitch my idea for riding ostriches with attached .50 cal machine guns to the DoD. We wouldn't want the terrorists to have a leg up in case we ever go toe to toe on an open savanna.
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We should also get working on sharks with lazer beams on their heads too.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Dear Mr Obama:

Please stop giving the military such a big budget as they seem to spend quite a bit of useless shit, the debt is rising faster than ever and needs to stop or we're all going to be broke.

Thank you,
Mr US Taxpayer
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Actually the gov't spends much more money on social services than military spending. Time to close the border. go home! stop the western invasion by muslims/non whites.
 
piako said:
Actually the gov't spends much more money on social services than military spending. Time to close the border. go home! stop the western invasion by muslims/non whites.
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:eek:

Get this racist shit out of here and go crawl back under your rock.
 
piako said:
Actually the gov't spends much more money on social services than military spending. Time to close the border. go home! stop the western invasion by muslims/non whites.
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Article was not about stupid spending of social services account though, now was it?
 
Guys, Guys...Guys!!

You are all completely missing the point here!

Flying humvees == Flying Cars!

Back to the Future style!!!!!!

Military R&D creates many useful things for everyone, eventually if this is successful we will all be living like the jetsons.
 
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