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Looking for a mouse recommendation .

first I like high rez, high precision, high sampling

second is build quality, no junk

tertiary is simplicity. I just don't need the extra buttons and functions. I don't mind a few but having twenty different buttons is just distracting

fourth is value, would like not to pay an arm and a leg but don't mind spending some money for what I want. Just not for a name or a bunch of features that I will not use.

O [H], impart thy wisdom on me..

thanks in advance
 
Logitech MX518
Logitech G5 Rev 2
Logitech G9x
 
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Dan_D said:
Logitech MX518
Logitech G5 Rev 2
Logitech G9x
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hum, how well does the G500 compare to those? ( I noticed that all your recommendations are logitech mice) seems to fall right in between your #2 and #3. I ask because the egg and tiger both have them for 40 bucks AR and no G5. (though I can get a refurb G5 for 40 bucks as well elsewhere) the G9x looks like overkill to me

and thank you for the responses.
 
Valset said:
hum, how well does the G500 compare to those? ( I noticed that all your recommendations are logitech mice) seems to fall right in between your #2 and #3. I ask because the egg and tiger both have them for 40 bucks AR and no G5. (though I can get a refurb G5 for 40 bucks as well elsewhere) the G9x looks like overkill to me

and thank you for the responses.
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Well I've had Logitech mice based on the MX500 body for several years now and still use them on some of my machines. After discovering the G9x I've decided that I like its shape much better than that of MX500 bodied mice including the G500. From what I understand the G500 is just another update to the G5 design. I believe it has similar features to the G9x in terms of profile storage memory etc. I have yet to try one and thus didn't recommend it as a result. I'm sure its a great mouse, but again I can't speak to that as I have never used one.
 
Since the MX518 came out I have sworn by it. I've tried new mice by logitech and razer over the years but every time I just end up going back to the mx518. I get kicked from servers in every FPS I have played for having an "aimbot" : )
 
xerus` said:
Since the MX518 came out I have sworn by it. I've tried new mice by logitech and razer over the years but every time I just end up going back to the mx518. I get kicked from servers in every FPS I have played for having an "aimbot" : )
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the price is right but I was hoping for something with more res.
 
I'd stay away from the MX518, I can't see why someone would enjoy it's shape, the thumb rest ruins it completely.

Luckly Logitech made the G500 which is overall very similar, slightly refined, and the thumb rest is WAY more comfortable... If you were choosing Logitech I'd recommend the G500... My only complaints about that mouse is that it's too heavy, and the mouse feet are way too slow (easy to purchase a new set of hyperglides or whatever you prefer...)

I can't comment on the G9x, but it uses the same sensor (avega 9500) as the G500...


However if I were you, I would personally pick the Xai since it also uses the avego 9500 sensor,but I would think the shape is much more relaxed and easy to use regardless of your grip style. It's lighter weight and I think it would use higher quality feet, although I'm not 100% sure if it's going to be as good as I thought the Ikari Laser's feet were...

If you want the 5600dpi just stick with the avego sensor, and stay away from anything with the Phillips Twin-Eye (Razer high end, Saitke R.A.T.)

I'm not sure if the gigabyte M8000x uses the avego or not, but if it does, that seems to be very highly recommended by Undertheradar who's tested out most of the gaming mice out in the market.

If you don't mind a slightly lower DPI, my recommendation would go out to the Razer Deathadder, I've tried a bunch of different mice including the Logtiechs (except g9) and I just felt the Deathadder had a much better feel, MUCH more comfortable shape etc, I'm struggling to find anything better then that, but I'd still like to test out the Gigabyte M8000x, Sharkoon Fireglider, Mionix Saiph/Rude Fierce...
 
siluro said:
I'd stay away from the MX518, I can't see why someone would enjoy it's shape, the thumb rest ruins it completely.

Luckly Logitech made the G500 which is overall very similar, slightly refined, and the thumb rest is WAY more comfortable... If you were choosing Logitech I'd recommend the G500... My only complaints about that mouse is that it's too heavy, and the mouse feet are way too slow (easy to purchase a new set of hyperglides or whatever you prefer...)
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This comment always makes me laugh. If you find any mouse on the market too heavy I'd suggest hitting the gym ASAP. As for the feet, they glide great. I'm not sure why you'd say otherwise. Though how they feel at a particular moment is largely dependent on the surface you are using it on. A cloth mousepad would give it a sluggish feeling but something like the Ratpad XT gives it a whole different feel.
 
I'm using an Alienware TactX, and it's the best mouse I've ever used. The tracking is extremely good and it glides very smoothly on my RatPadz XT. It's basically a G9x with a different shape and no weight or grip customization, but I find the shape is better to begin with. Typically for Logitech, the build quality is excellent, and it just feels great to hold. I bought it from Dell Canada for $40, and for that price it beats out any other mouse on the market in terms of value, although I'd never pay the normal price which is $100.

Before I got this, I had bought a Coolermaster Storm Sentinel Advance. That mouse has great ergonomics if you use a palm grip like I do, but it's a bit unstable so rapid clicking will cause the cursor to jump around a bit (this problem might go away as the pads wear down a bit to create a flatter base, but I haven't used the mouse enough to see if that will happen), and it suffers from the Twin-eye problem where the cursor will move down and to the left when you pick up the mouse.
 
Valset said:
hum, how well does the G500 compare to those? ( I noticed that all your recommendations are logitech mice) seems to fall right in between your #2 and #3. I ask because the egg and tiger both have them for 40 bucks AR and no G5. (though I can get a refurb G5 for 40 bucks as well elsewhere) the G9x looks like overkill to me

and thank you for the responses.
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Dan_D said:
From what I understand the G500 is just another update to the G5 design. I believe it has similar features to the G9x in terms of profile storage memory etc.
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The G500 has the same tracking engine as the G9x, both of which are far superior to the G5v2, so if you like the MX518 body, go for the G500. I actually have the G9x, G5v2, MX518, and G500 (little tip: when one breaks and you send it in for RMA, Logitech tends to send the newer version since they no longer manufacture the old stuff, so I got a free upgrade from G5 to G500).

If you want the most accurate and simplest of all mice, it would probably be the IE3.0.

But I personally like my extra features and buttons (especially the G9/G9x/G500 scrollwheel). The newest generation of Logitech mice do have flaws but they are very tiny and unless you are superhuman pro FPS league, it's unlikely you'll notice.
 
Zero82z said:
I'm using an Alienware TactX, and it's the best mouse I've ever used. The tracking is extremely good and it glides very smoothly on my RatPadz XT. It's basically a G9x with a different shape and no weight or grip customization, but I find the shape is better to begin with.
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If I were a fan of the grip needed (claw) to use this mouse, I would use mine more. It is more elegant than the G9x and the ledges and shape is just right. But I ended up with the G500 as my everyday/gaming mouse of choice. Why am I rambling? I think you need to identify your grip style.

I used an mx518 for years because it is simple, effective, and a good price. Once I moved on and went through a try-every-mouse phase I settled on the G500 because it has that basic palm style I want and is completely customizable for pretty much everything. Throw in a braided cloth cable sheeth, texturing in the right places, granular software, weights, the list goes on. I would like to say one thing about the weight, it is heavier than some mice so there is a little curve. Also, the sensor is a little farther forward than most mice as well so that takes a little getting used to.

So, find your style, go to Best Buy or Fry's or whatever is closer and put your hands on some mice. If I knew how much the Microsoft Sidewinder was shaped like a humpback whale I would have never bought it. If I knew that the G9x was so short I would have never bought it. This could have been a lot shorter story if I just went to the store or borrowed the mouse from a friend to begin with.
 
Kenworth said:
If I were a fan of the grip needed (claw) to use this mouse, I would use mine more. It is more elegant than the G9x and the ledges and shape is just right. But I ended up with the G500 as my everyday/gaming mouse of choice. Why am I rambling? I think you need to identify your grip style.
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It is possible to use a palm grip with the TactX (which is how I hold it); it's just a smaller mouse so it isn't as comfortable to do it with as a mouse designed for palm grip like the G500. The reason I bought the TactX was mainly because of its price at the time.
 
Dan_D said:
This comment always makes me laugh. If you find any mouse on the market too heavy I'd suggest hitting the gym ASAP. As for the feet, they glide great. I'm not sure why you'd say otherwise. Though how they feel at a particular moment is largely dependent on the surface you are using it on. A cloth mousepad would give it a sluggish feeling but something like the Ratpad XT gives it a whole different feel.
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The weight of the mouse has nothing to do with body strength... You're a fool for thinking that.

As for the feet part on your ratzpad, you are probably correct, but I would say the feet on the G500 are just as poor as the stock microsoft feet you'd find on the WMO and Intellimouse 1.1... Not sure why they changed it from the g5v2's.

So if you have a plastic mousepad, you'll probably be ok in terms of friction, but if you're like me and use cloth, or perhaps glass I would still recommend changing them out immediately.
 
I think you'll like the g500.. i've had the mx, g5v1, g9 but i loved the g5 the best. the g500 should suit you well if you like palming your mouse. have fun!
 
IMO the G500 can not be beat at all, at least not when you factor in price. It is the single best mouse I have ever used. I owned an MX510 for years, and the G500 blew me away when I upgraded. It was like they took the mouse I loved and upgraded everything.
 
Honestly, the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 is the solution for everything.

Relationship problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
School problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Diet problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Car problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Gaming problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

It is a all-in-one solution.
 
GeForceX said:
Honestly, the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 is the solution for everything.

Relationship problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
School problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Diet problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Car problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Gaming problems? Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

It is a all-in-one solution.
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I don't understand why people like this mouse so much. I've used it plenty and I think it's a piece of shit.
 
Why so, sir?

Is it a piece of shit because it doesn't have 18 buttons?
Because it doesn't have wait-let-me-switch-my-sensitivity DPI switch?
Because it doesn't have 9600 DPI?
Because it doesn't have 5 customizable weights?

I don't know, what is it that makes it so shitty?
 
Mice used: G3, G5, G9, MX 518, Copperhead, DA 3G, DA 3.5G, Lachesis, Imperator, Ikari Laser, and Xai.

I still prefer the IE 3.0 over all of them. There's just something about the shape that I can't get over.
 
I too loved the Intellimouse 3.0, but it just had no durability. I went through 3 of them in 6 years, last one didn't even last a whole year. The cord eventually severs where it connects to the mouse, starts losing connection intermittently, increasing in frequency with time, till it does it every minute or just doesn't connect anymore.

So when it was time to buy a 4th IE 3.0, I said screw it and got the G9 and haven't looked back. Superior in every way imo. Software, features, grip, tracking, etc., all better with the G9.

In build quality, I have to give the IE a big fail. I remember reading about the problem with the cord back in like 2005, and MS still did nothing to correct it.
 
BeavermanA said:
I too loved the Intellimouse 3.0, but it just had no durability. I went through 3 of them in 6 years, last one didn't even last a whole year. The cord eventually severs where it connects to the mouse, starts losing connection intermittently, increasing in frequency with time, till it does it every minute or just doesn't connect anymore.

So when it was time to buy a 4th IE 3.0, I said screw it and got the G9 and haven't looked back. Superior in every way imo. Software, features, grip, tracking, etc., all better with the G9.

In build quality, I have to give the IE a big fail. I remember reading about the problem with the cord back in like 2005, and MS still did nothing to correct it.
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I don't know what you're talking about, really. The durability of the mouse was its leading point, at least for me.

I had my first encounter with the MSIE 3.0 when I bought my first Alienware in year 2001. It was the original MSIE 3.0 with an Alienware logo. I never realized how bad ass the mouse was until I tried other mice including most of Logitech's and Razer's offerings at the time. The first MSIE 3.0 I had died in year 2006. That was five years of long lasting durability.

I bought a new one right after and it is year 2010 now. It is already showing its age since paint is rubbing off due to all that sweat palm abuse. Just last week it was starting to have intermittent disconnects. I already ordered a new MSIE 3.0 which is coming within a few days. So, that was two mice in 9 years.

Considering it was worth $40 before and $32 now, I'd say that it was worth every dollar. And before you start thinking, "You probably don't game..." I was actually a semi-professional Quake competitor. So I was really rough on my mouse for many hours a day. So, forgive me for my tone but I'm just surprised you even had durability issues. Then again, I can't vouch for how you treat your mice.

I don't use or need any special software except the USB HZ modification (500 HZ). I don't need all the features. I just want a mouse that works. I employ both the claw grip and bear hug methods for this mouse. The MSIE 3.0 gives me greater accuracy than any other mice mainly due to the comfort and design of the mouse. I don't see how a mice would have "better" grip. And tracking? You kidding me? The DPI marketing is all BS. The MSIE 3.0 has 400 DPI and for a low sensitivity player like myself, that's more than plenty. It tracks beautifully. The higher DPI mice basically fits those who enjoy spinning 1080s without any accuracy. Would that be you?

But I suppose it comes down to this: YMMV.
 
GeForceX said:
Why so, sir?

Is it a piece of shit because it doesn't have 18 buttons?
Because it doesn't have wait-let-me-switch-my-sensitivity DPI switch?
Because it doesn't have 9600 DPI?
Because it doesn't have 5 customizable weights?

I don't know, what is it that makes it so shitty?
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It's a piece of shit because the ergonomics aren't great, it feels cheap, and the sensor is mediocre. That's my opinion, at least. I moved on to better things a long time ago.

For the record, my current mouse has 5 buttons, I never change the DPI, I only have it set to 1600DPI, and it doesn't have any weight customization.
 
GeForceX said:
I don't know what you're talking about, really. The durability of the mouse was its leading point, at least for me.

I had my first encounter with the MSIE 3.0 when I bought my first Alienware in year 2001. It was the original MSIE 3.0 with an Alienware logo. I never realized how bad ass the mouse was until I tried other mice including most of Logitech's and Razer's offerings at the time. The first MSIE 3.0 I had died in year 2006. That was five years of long lasting durability.

I bought a new one right after and it is year 2010 now. It is already showing its age since paint is rubbing off due to all that sweat palm abuse. Just last week it was starting to have intermittent disconnects. I already ordered a new MSIE 3.0 which is coming within a few days. So, that was two mice in 9 years.

Considering it was worth $40 before and $32 now, I'd say that it was worth every dollar. And before you start thinking, "You probably don't game..." I was actually a semi-professional Quake competitor. So I was really rough on my mouse for many hours a day. So, forgive me for my tone but I'm just surprised you even had durability issues. Then again, I can't vouch for how you treat your mice.

I don't use or need any special software except the USB HZ modification (500 HZ). I don't need all the features. I just want a mouse that works. I employ both the claw grip and bear hug methods for this mouse. The MSIE 3.0 gives me greater accuracy than any other mice mainly due to the comfort and design of the mouse. I don't see how a mice would have "better" grip. And tracking? You kidding me? The DPI marketing is all BS. The MSIE 3.0 has 400 DPI and for a low sensitivity player like myself, that's more than plenty. It tracks beautifully. The higher DPI mice basically fits those who enjoy spinning 1080s without any accuracy. Would that be you?

But I suppose it comes down to this: YMMV.
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Well you must have been lucky and got one that lasted, I used to game for hours a day in CAL for RtCW and W:ET. Won multiple seasons in main when there was no invite tier, and then invite when they brought it back, and 1st and 2nd place in multiple tournaments over the years.

And no I don't use super high DPI, I prefer it relatively low and very low sens. In Quake engine 3 games, default is 5, I use 1 or lower. Have over a 1ftx1ft space for my mouse.
I set it up so I can do a 360 starting from left to right on my pad.

That's probably why the cord breaks, I move it way more than most noobs would, with a high sens you could probably do a 1080 in a 3in swipe.

Just google "intellimouse losing connection", I'm sure you'll find a slew of threads about it, and it's pretty much always the cord.

I really liked the IE 3.0 too, with the 500hz mod and a couple other things it was great, but after going through 3 I was fed up and ready for something new. I had a championship match in a tourney coming up the weekend when my last IE crapped out on me during the week.

And the grip is better cause it has a rough style grip, doesn't matter if your hand gets sweaty, it never slips out of your hand. The smooth grip that it comes out of the package with, now that sucks ass. I couldn't grip that after 2 minutes of playing.

G9 doesn't look like shit either after a couple months, like when the paint starts to rub off the IE. And the G9 gets no gunk buildup like the IE, I had to wipe that thing off at least once a day. Don't think I have ever wiped off the G9 in about 2 years. Still looks practically new.
 
making a mouse solely after a game is mind blowing retarded. to make a mouse with a lot of buttons to play specific types of games is one thing but when that 'special' mouse wont do anything more and most likely less than a regular gaming mouse, then it gets ridiculous and start to look like they're desperate for sales.
 
wow, people get wound up by this. I was thinking I was good just jumping on the G500, should be here this monday. I have been using a crappy dell mouse sense my creative bit the dust. (left click button went wacky, otherwise loved it)
 
I have had the G9 (Bought a dented box) for a few days now and from an ergonomics stand point I much prefer the G5, the G9 is smaller and does not fit my hand like the G5 did.. I do like the features and how the G9 works compared to the G5 but I don't know if I will stay with it or not. I like the way the G5 and the good old Intelimouse Optical feel much better then the G9, for me the G9 needs to be slightly bigger.

I have a G500 and a Logitech Performance Mouse MX on order to compare with these 2. From what I have been reading the G500 will probably replace the G9 and the MX will be used on my laptop.
 
Honestly, the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 is the solution for everything.
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I strongly second this. The ergonomics are unbeatable IMO. I have beaten the living shit out of them too and they still work. And they are cheap. My last one had paint rubbed down to the plastic on the left and right buttons and top before the mechanism that returns the buttons to resting position started to wear out. The wheel and buttons are tactile and consistent. It has A higher scan rate than you will ever need, and you can use it on any surface you like (clean glass and mirrors don't work great, but that's common sense, lava and acid are also bad choices). I use a cheap 9 year old shitty greasy filthy mousepad and couldn't be happier. If you choose to install the full version drivers, you have lots of options to mess around with, but overall it is the most simple and reliable and comfortable mouse.
 
I should have my G500 today. I will update this post with my impressions (for what they are worth)

thanks all
 
+1 on the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, it's one hell of a mouse. This is coming from someone who's tried multiple Razer and Logitech offerings.
 
intellimouse +1 for the first mouse to be my first office mouse and give me my first signs of rsi/cts
 
Zero82z said:
It's a piece of shit because the ergonomics aren't great, it feels cheap, and the sensor is mediocre. That's my opinion, at least. I moved on to better things a long time ago.

For the record, my current mouse has 5 buttons, I never change the DPI, I only have it set to 1600DPI, and it doesn't have any weight customization.
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what do you mean the sensor is mediocre? it has a 400dpi optical sensor! thats ALL YOU NEED in a gaming mouse? why do you think it is the mouse of choice for so many pro and non-pro gamers?
i went from an ie 3.0 to an mx510 which was fine, no noticeable difference in my game of choice (ut2k4) and then to a 1st edition G5 (the rust coloured one with one side button). The shitty laser sensor in that couldnt track my fast movements at all ( i am a low sens gamer, so i have to make LARGE fast sweeping gestures with my mouse). If i made a "swipe" with the G5 one of 2 things would happen.
1. nothing
2. I would end up looking at the ceiling or floor

the laser sensor had awful negative acceleration, and even with 2 firmware flashes and 3 hours of tweaking setpoint settings (dpi, game detection etc etc) it was only BARELY usable at my sensitivity. I bought an mx518 as it received rave reviews in the esreality mousescore review and the damn thing just worked OOTB. I then bought another ie 3.0 as a backup whenever my 518 dies (4 years and its still going strong) and tried it out as well and SAME result! the "shitty" 400dpi sensor does more than the amazingly awesome 2000dpi laser sensor of the G5........
im sure some of these gimmicky weighted, transforming, laser mice are fine for people with medium to high sensitivities, but they all cost a lot so why not save some coin and get an mx518 or a 3.0 for a lot less? oh and the damn thing will work OOTB as well

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the 3.0 has an awesome optical sensor that does what it should do. WORK for all sensitivities. As does the mx518.
 
SoAndSo said:
what do you mean the sensor is mediocre? it has a 400dpi optical sensor! thats ALL YOU NEED in a gaming mouse? why do you think it is the mouse of choice for so many pro and non-pro gamers?
i went from an ie 3.0 to an mx510 which was fine, no noticeable difference in my game of choice (ut2k4) and then to a 1st edition G5 (the rust coloured one with one side button). The shitty laser sensor in that couldnt track my fast movements at all ( i am a low sens gamer, so i have to make LARGE fast sweeping gestures with my mouse). If i made a "swipe" with the G5 one of 2 things would happen.
1. nothing
2. I would end up looking at the ceiling or floor

the laser sensor had awful negative acceleration, and even with 2 firmware flashes and 3 hours of tweaking setpoint settings (dpi, game detection etc etc) it was only BARELY usable at my sensitivity. I bought an mx518 as it received rave reviews in the esreality mousescore review and the damn thing just worked OOTB. I then bought another ie 3.0 as a backup whenever my 518 dies (4 years and its still going strong) and tried it out as well and SAME result! the "shitty" 400dpi sensor does more than the amazingly awesome 2000dpi laser sensor of the G5........
im sure some of these gimmicky weighted, transforming, laser mice are fine for people with medium to high sensitivities, but they all cost a lot so why not save some coin and get an mx518 or a 3.0 for a lot less? oh and the damn thing will work OOTB as well

TL;DR
the 3.0 has an awesome optical sensor that does what it should do. WORK for all sensitivities. As does the mx518.
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I'm a gamer and I use a resolution of 1600DPI with my mice. So, no, 400DPI is not enough.
 
It depends on the sensitivity preference of the user. Higher sens users will benefit from extra DPI.

I just switched from me IE 3.0 to my MX518 for the hell of it and the difference between 400 DPI sensitivity 6 and 800 DPI sensitivity 3 is pretty noticeable. I'm such a flake when it comes to picking a mouse. :rolleyes:
 
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