Apple Responds to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem

ocellaris said:
Very true, even with this problem people will continue buying as many iPhone 4s as Apple can make. People want the device enough to put up with AT&T's limited coverage, poor reliability, high contract cost, and now a phone that has problems if you touch it the wrong way. Plus any true Apple fan will just buy the bumper case to fix this.
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AT&T works good down here in Miami, I never drop or loose bars. Where I live way west of the city (nearly in swampland lol) AT&T is the only provider that has coverage. Everywhere I have gone in Florida from Miami to Tampa to Orlando has had good coverage on my phone. Then again, I don't use an iPhone lol
 
kllrnohj said:
Not really. Sprint can roam on Verizon's voice and 2g networks and vice versa. Pretty sure Sprint also has AT&T beat on 3G coverage.

But more important than nationwide coverage is how coverage is where you live. I don't care if AT&T has Sprint beat in Chicago if I live in New York City, for example.
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Why don't more people understand this? I find it so funny when people say X carrier sucks Y has more coverage.

It depends on where you live, find out which has better coverage in your area and that carrier is best for you. That simple.
 
Cyper said:
Why don't more people understand this? I find it so funny when people say X carrier sucks Y has more coverage.

It depends on where you live, find out which has better coverage in your area and that carrier is best for you. That simple.
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Well said.
 
Cyper said:
Why don't more people understand this? I find it so funny when people say X carrier sucks Y has more coverage.

It depends on where you live, find out which has better coverage in your area and that carrier is best for you. That simple.
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exactly,
Everyone around here swears by Verizon, yet I found where I lived AT&T had better reception. Verizon was not willing to do anything about my issues and so I went to the competitor and found they were better.

Every area is different, some places it does not matter which carrier you have a cell phone will not work.

A friend of mine swears Alltel is the best, but he denies that Alltel is Verizon.
 
ir0nw0lf said:
LOL. Are Steve Jobs and this fellow possibly related?

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ROFLMAO!
 
Soon they'll just tout this as a new feature and give it some ind of name like they did with "retina" (i.e. a normal screen with higher resolution). I can see Jobs now:

"And now, we at Apple have developed something truly magical, something revolutionary. We have now developed what we like to call the muscle-grip. That's right, the muscle-grip. This all new grip on our phones is revolutionary because it helps strengthen the muscles in your forearm. How you ask> By preventing you from holding it in traditional cell phone fashion, and instead forcing you to hold it midway up the phone using only your fingertips in a strangely erotic balancing act. Apple's iPhone: it actually makes you stronger."
 
Wolfie said:
exactly,
Everyone around here swears by Verizon, yet I found where I lived AT&T had better reception. Verizon was not willing to do anything about my issues and so I went to the competitor and found they were better.

Every area is different, some places it does not matter which carrier you have a cell phone will not work.

A friend of mine swears Alltel is the best, but he denies that Alltel is Verizon.
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When people compare coverage areas, they are talking about the big picture and not one particular house or travel pattern you or someone else might have. If AT&T works for you, that is great, however I do not feel the same is true for most people. Plus if you travel a lot, being on a network with more coverage can definitely come in handy.

I think a lot of people do not even consider voice/3G network coverage when getting a phone. I live in Maine and it barely phases people that AT&T coverage is horrible up here. I still see people everywhere walking around with iPhone hardware. They sometimes need to go outside to make calls and rarely get 3G, then they think this is normal for everyone. They like their iPhone so much the reliability does not matter.

I've been all over the East Coast and had great success getting 3G connections with Sprint and Verizon compared to T-Mo and AT&T. But again, if carrier XYZ works great in your area and you never travel, go for XYZ.
 
So they make a fucking cheap piece of shit phone that breaks if you look at it wrong, doesn't get reception if you "hold it wrong", and have the fucking stones to say "put a cover on, it'll work better"

Intent to defraud. Fuck Apple. Fuck Apple lusers.
 
Evil_SPanKY said:
Jobs is an idiot.

I cant wait until our contract with ATT is up, so we can jump ship and get a working/non-call dropping phone. You know...what phones are SUPPOSED TO DO...MAKE AND HOLD PHONE CALLS...RELIABLY!
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I would end the contract, and if they made one pay anyhing with a 4G, get a lawyer that you were sold a faulty product under the pretense it would work properly, but does not..

Why is it in north america the customer get so screwed on buying things and contracts, in the U.K if you buy a phone, have some contract and the phone does not work, you take it back, get a refund, no questions asked.
 
within 30 days we can cancel a contract with no questions asked. After that the carrier may or may not try to fuck you. Depending on what your problem is.
 
Azhar said:
Pretty much this. My dad has a Blackberry on Sprint and my iPhone 3GS is light years faster than his Blackberry Bold 9000 when it comes to streaming or loading pages or downloading apps or whatever.
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I think there may be something wrong with Blackberrys in general when it comes to surfing. My wifes Blackberry takes several minutes to load even the front page of Wikipedia (not data intensive at all). Where as my HTC Hero loads it up about as fast as my laptop. Infact, speedtest.net app on my Hero shows about 1000kb/s down and 500kb/s up.

We have a family plan on Sprint, so same signal.
 
Classic fix! "Oh, it does that when you do that huh? Well... stop doing that. Problem solved!"

iPhone 4g is badass, though. Much nicer than the previous iterations.
 
I was on the fence about buying an iPhone, but this made my mind for me. I'll probably hold off for the inevitable-in-six-months iPhone 4G, or whatever good Android phone is out at that time.
 
westrock2000 said:
I think there may be something wrong with Blackberrys in general when it comes to surfing. My wifes Blackberry takes several minutes to load even the front page of Wikipedia (not data intensive at all). Where as my HTC Hero loads it up about as fast as my laptop. Infact, speedtest.net app on my Hero shows about 1000kb/s down and 500kb/s up.

We have a family plan on Sprint, so same signal.
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Nah, there's nothing wrong with Blackberries themselves, but their service and proxy. I believe when you request a web site on your Blackberry browser, the site goes through Blackberry's internet service before it reaches your phone. You can get around that by installing Opera Mini which bypasses all that - I think. It's been a long time since I used my Blackberry.

There's also the problem of Blackberry's browser sucking royally when it comes to scripts. I can't tell you how often I had to remove the battery to reboot the damn thing because it's stuck trying to load scripts - again.
 
Smartphones are a dime a dozen these days, just amazing that people really care about these things that much.
 
I believe what Steve is trying to tell people to do is the old "Pinkies Out" grip. :)
 
I can't stand cases for phones, I just recently bought one for $20 and had to take it off, those things bug the shit out of me
 
Trimlock said:
I can't stand cases for phones, I just recently bought one for $20 and had to take it off, those things bug the shit out of me
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Ditto that. I have one on my current phone (iPhone 3G) out of necessity because I'm pretty sure it would be in awful shape by now if it wasn't in there.
 
Trimlock said:
I can't stand cases for phones, I just recently bought one for $20 and had to take it off, those things bug the shit out of me
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I have this case for my 3G http://www.geekalerts.com/iphone-case-by-oakley/

It's big, but my iphone is now the incredible hulk of iphones. I can't count how many times the phone has been dropped on concrete and ice, without a scratch. the phone itself still looks to be BNIB and I've had this case on it for about a year now. Absolutely indestructible, but bulky as shit.
 
ir0nw0lf said:
You may be on to something there, scenario: Foxconn employees on the roof with test iPhones were holding the device the wrong way, they were not getting a good signal, so they never got the call to *not* jump off the roof. :eek: How's that for QC?
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People killing themselves is never a funny matter
 
Azhar said:
Actually right-handed people. Right-handers hold the device in their left hand and push buttons with their fingers on their right hand.

So right-handers would be covering the lower left corner of the device with the palm of their left hand.
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I am right handed and hold the phone with my right hand
 
The issue is happening and triggered by bridging the seam on the lower left side of the iPhone 4 - a full on "Vulcan Death Grip" isn't required, for those folks that are experiencing the issue.

This video pretty much covers it as completely as possible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6oflC4qo8M

The speed at which the issue kicks in, and just how fast it disappears when that contact is removed and that bridge is broken is stunning, almost as if it's a switch being thrown: closed it's off, open it's on...

Which means it's a hardware issue like so many people are suspecting.
 
regardless of if this is true or not..i couldn't be happier with my Driod Incredible.

i was back and forth on android and the iphone for months. I really liked the iphone overall, not so much love for AT&T. After the incredible came out, I made the jump into that and haven't regretted it one bit. It blows my friends 3GS away in pretty much every possible way.
 
Azhar said:
Nah, there's nothing wrong with Blackberries themselves, but their service and proxy. I believe when you request a web site on your Blackberry browser, the site goes through Blackberry's internet service before it reaches your phone. You can get around that by installing Opera Mini which bypasses all that - I think. It's been a long time since I used my Blackberry.
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On a personal phone, that's a bit different.

On corporate networks, like what I used to run... You can actually send 100% of the traffic through your corporate BES server. Which more that doubles latency and kills your speed, but it's the most secure method you could ask for.

Bahamut said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6oflC4qo8M

The speed at which the issue kicks in, and just how fast it disappears when that contact is removed and that bridge is broken is stunning, almost as if it's a switch being thrown: closed it's off, open it's on...

Which means it's a hardware issue like so many people are suspecting.
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It's an obvious design flaw.
The only question is how long Apple will take to admit their CEO is an asshole and recall all their phones and fix the issue. This would be the first time I can remember that Apple released one statement (Jobs, "this is not an issue") and then having to go back and admit that statement was a lie.
 
Azhar said:
Nah, there's nothing wrong with Blackberries themselves, but their service and proxy. I believe when you request a web site on your Blackberry browser, the site goes through Blackberry's internet service before it reaches your phone. You can get around that by installing Opera Mini which bypasses all that - I think. It's been a long time since I used my Blackberry.

There's also the problem of Blackberry's browser sucking royally when it comes to scripts. I can't tell you how often I had to remove the battery to reboot the damn thing because it's stuck trying to load scripts - again.
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Blackberries have a half dozen ways of connecting to the internet. They can do a direct TCP connection like other smartphones in addition to WAP and WAP2, and they can do proxy via BES in addition to a blackberry proprietary protocol called BIS-B that routes requests through RIM's servers (MDS).

And of course it would be too simple for the phone to figure out which to use, no, developers have to figure that out on their own. The default for RIM's apps is to use BIS-B if available afaik, meaning you get the extra proxy hit. Opera Mini doesn't bypass any of this, but it does do compression and probably defaults to direct TCP if available.
 
My 3G iphone has been ridiculous since the 4.0 update. Can barely use the thing anymore.
 
PNut12345 said:
I have this case for my 3G http://www.geekalerts.com/iphone-case-by-oakley/

It's big, but my iphone is now the incredible hulk of iphones. I can't count how many times the phone has been dropped on concrete and ice, without a scratch. the phone itself still looks to be BNIB and I've had this case on it for about a year now. Absolutely indestructible, but bulky as shit.
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I have no case for my phone and guess what? I also can't count how many times I've dropped it on concrete and ice. Still works. Guess that's the benefits of a well designed phone versus a piece of crap.
 
krotch said:
I have no case for my phone and guess what? I also can't count how many times I've dropped it on concrete and ice. Still works. Guess that's the benefits of a well designed phone versus a piece of crap.
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You mean like how it's so well-designed it can't survive a one foot fall?
 
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