Get a Virus, No Web for You!

Get infected, get the boot?

  • Good idea?

    Votes: 91 33.3%

  • Bad idea?

    Votes: 157 57.5%

  • Who cares?

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Total voters
    273
alot of people have more than 1 PC's... makes no sense to cut off the internet to the house.
 
Bad idea overall. Like others have pointed out earlier, this removes the user's ability to clean up their computers as definition updates are needed to actually remove the infection, forcing people to pay someone to take care of it for them or to use other ways to get internet, which may also get cut off.

Also, this would be counterproductive to techs as well as when they work on the infected computers their connection too would run the risk of getting flagged as a source of infection, getting them cut off as well.

Requiring mandatory AV software will not help because people will end up buying shitty AV products like Norton and Mcafee which don't really add any meaningful protection while hosing their systems.
 
TheBuzzer said:
Well there is this solution that university uses for a while now.

The university have packet sniffer and it can determine some viruses sending out certain packets. When they found a comp with it they will restrict that comp from accessing the whole internet but to a sub internet to help clear the virus out. After clearing the virus out the sub internet page will have a check to see if it does really seem clean. If it passes, it re enable access to all the websites.
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Thats exactly what i was saying. This is a very doable compromise IMHO.
Rockjay420 said:
Awesome idea!!!!!!!!!!!!
How bout next, If you get an infection inside a hospital, they throw you out until you get better!!
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Well, if i got my computer infected in an IT repair shop, I'm pretty sure they'll just fix it there. Same with your flawed analogy.

Druneau said:
alot of people have more than 1 PC's... makes no sense to cut off the internet to the house.
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Maybe they can do a mac address filter of some sort. yea people can still get around it but zombie boxes might not.
 
Wow, are the people over there in Australia doing anything about the things happening to their internet polices/freedoms over there? I know I've seen several or so articles regarding Australia's internet. =/
Anyway if they (customers/users) are fine with it, then nothing to worry about I guess. But if they don't like it, they should do something about it.
 
Instead of a virus, I think it should be if they turn into a zombie pc. Sick of all the spam.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Some part of me thinks that part of California broke off millions of years ago and migrated down there, now they call it Australia. Don't get me wrong, it's a damn fine country, but the privacy laws, internet laws, and censorship laws over there are offensive to my nature.
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WTF is wrong with california?
 
Ohh yea this will work so well. I'm an aussie and I also work in the I.T industry in Canada and man I don't understand my country sometimes.

This will work so well with NAT which is basically everywhere. "Yea you know that consultant that brought in his laptop on the 4th floor? Yea he got our ISP connection cut off for the building."
 
Hmm, I can see malware targets whole IP blocks ISPs own to try get the ISP to shutoff all there customers. :p This probably won't happen though.
 
This is definitely a bad idea... get booted off.. then you're out of luck trying to download anti virus and anti malware programs/updates to get rid of whatever infection you have.. Then again.. what if you get false positives???

And LOL to SKiTlz's post!!@!! Yea, imagine some federal auditor or a business partner comes in and tries to use your network with their laptop or plug in a flash drive into one of the provided workstations, and then all of a sudden, your entire communications's internet access goes down! Got to imagine what the big wigs are doing when that happens :D
 
This could be a good idea if they could detect zombie puters or malicious traffic. I'm not sure it's really possible really, but it wouldn't be a good idea to block them. Perhaps if you simply sent them a warning or phone call to tell them they need to get their computer looked at. It's awfully reactive. I have to say I prefer proactive solutions. :)
 
itanium said:
Sounds like obama care for computers...
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derp derp i am a conservative shitheel i make the analogy that obama's health care plan refuses people access to the roads to get to hospitals when they get sick because i cant help but to criticize obama with my ignorance at every chance i get hurf durf

Emission said:
What ISN'T wrong with california?
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lol are you the guy above's relative?
 
Bad idea.

Since antivirus programs tend to fail to remove any noteworthy virus, I usually resort to forums for help whilst infected. Granted, I've only gotten 1 virus in the past 3 years!
 
if you use windows you should be booted from the net LOL, my customers use AV and still get infected and most av ( mcaffee, Norton ) are useless POS anyways..whats the point?
 
The only problem I see with it is, how do you get the updated antivirus, antimalware software if you can no longer get on the internet?
 
I think the debate here is a lot like the Drivers license debate. Sure, some people pass the test. They cant read the signs on the road or signal, but they can pass the test. I'm going to use old people as an example (lets say 80+) because I think the demographic is the same, For both situations. 9 times out of 10, old people don't know how to use a computer. The send jokesvia email and get infected because they clicked something they were supposed to (I know this is NOT just old people, this is an example)

But you can't take away a drivers license without due process, just like you shouldn't be able to take away someones PC. There are stupid people out there. (IE elected officials) If there weren't, there would be a lot of smart people just standing around.

I think this is a bad idea, But I can see the argument. Its just an unobtainable goal. If your PC isn't infected in Australia, its connected to someone else's in the US or elsewhere that is. Its not the Aussie Wide Web, its the World Wide Web for a reason.
 
NahBrah said:
derp derp i am a conservative shitheel i make the analogy that obama's health care plan refuses people access to the roads to get to hospitals when they get sick because i cant help but to criticize obama with my ignorance at every chance i get hurf durf



lol are you the guy above's relative?
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And who the fuck are you?
 
radiohedwig said:
WTF is wrong with california?
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It's more like what ISN'T wrong with California....

If the Bay area and Sacramento would fall off into the ocean, we could handle the reset of the idiots out here.

FYI: I'm allowed to bash California because I live here, even though I live in Orange County, one of the few half sane places left out here.
 
If they can detect a virus, why dont they just block its activities and warn the customer about it?
 
Philosophical question - at what point does your responsibility to keep your own computer clean and not screw up others' outweigh your privileges to use your computer as you see fit?
 
wow...Australasia wants EVERYONE off the net then. Technically even linux and osx get PC viruses, but it just doesn't affect them, like guys get HPV, and are chill, but women get cervical cancer.

Hopefully, public outcry will take over. its like prohibition for the internet age. There is no way to stop viruses from happening because people ARE the virus [makers]. Then again, if you kill all people...then you should be set...
 
Dumb idea. What good is it going to do?

Chances are those people gets infected from visiting sites that are outside of Australia. Blocking all infected Australian user is not going to protect other Australian users anyway.

And the poor victim is stuck with no means of looking for a solution or downloading a removal tool

Very dumb idea
 
uh doesnt 99% of win based computers have some sort of a virus already anyways..
I mean antivirus software not 100 % sooo....
 
Worst idea ever..

....ISPs are getting lazy like the oil companys.
 
And the dudes down under need to wake up from whatever rock they are living under...
 
most ISPs if they had an Spambot running would disconnect the system its in there right to do so norm it have to be running for day or 2 before an ISP would disconnect you thought (Why P2P apps norm do not make your Internet go off due to some of the peers using SMTP ports as incoming connections)

all they have to do is turn it back on and then fix the issue as it would not be an instant disconnect, you really have to be hammering the upload with spam to get your computer to get knocked off
 
I think it is a good idea to lock people out but it causes more problems for the person who gets locked out, how can the get the proper help to clean their machine...
 
This is already a practice done by telenor.

see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telenor

Names can be graamenphone and all sorts of things, bredbaandsbolaget and so on and so on.

I havnt noticed any complaints during the 4 years they've done this, so cant be that bad, you get minor internett access, very very limited!
 
Has China purchased Australia?

I mean really. The news out of that place lately is just plain ugly.
 
As someone who deals with these issues on a weekly basis, I can see this situation becoming one of the worst pieces of technological legislation to ever be passed by any country. Quite often, in order to clean up a machine, I will take my own computers off of the network and put the infected machine on the network in order to install the software to clean it up. Under this legislation, I would be kicked off for trying to clean up an infected machine. Many of the software out there requires internet access in order to install! (eg. Spybot S&D, AdAware, AVG, etc) So now, people wouldn't be able to clean up the machine because they can't get access to the net to do so.

And despite the fact that it's the Australian government doing it, this would become a PR nightmare for the ISPs, because they're going to be the ones blamed for the "connection issue," they're going to be the ones to spend more money on help desk workers due to the flood of people calling them about problems, and they're the ones who will be forced to implement the piece of garbage of legislation.

The only way to keep a computer from ever getting infected is to unplug it from the Internet, disable all external ports, drop it into a bucket of cement, and drop that cement block into the center of the Atlantic. Maybe, just maybe, you'll escape malware after all this is said and done. Everyone gets infected by something at some level at some point in time.
 
Then Australia will be an Apple-Only zone cause apples don't get virus's right? right?
 
Hmm, total block is stupid. Should just redirect them to malwarebytes.org.
 
Good idea in principal, but will probably be bad in implementation.

The infected should be walled off into a semi-online state, only able to resolve known AV update routine URLs and such, to still allow you to get updates to assist with the cleaning. THis way you can get the latest online scanners, updates, etc for cleaning, but the wider intertubes is off limits until cleaned.
 
I used to work for an ISP, and I spent a lot of my time proactively eyeballing the flow tables at the borders to find anything that looked unusual. Wormy/spammy stuff usually exhibits a pattern that is fairly easy to recognize if you know how to read the tables. Between the proactive scanning and promptly acting on any spam/abuse notices that came in, we were normally in contact with the customer and/or his technical representative within 24 hrs of an incident. My normal procedure was to give the guy a friendly heads up, offer any technical details that they might need, and ask for an update by the next business day. I'd offer to stop the bad traffic if the infection was something that I could block without disrupting normal business operations. (Folks were pretty agreeable with this process as it gave them some breathing room.) Anyhow, most people were fixed up within a day or two. The ones that took the longest were offices that had many computers and no real IT support on site... I'm sure somebody charged them a pretty penny to hunt down the infected host.

There was one customer who was wormed out pretty bad back in the day. (Probably about 2004-ish?) Anyhow, the network was wormed out, and the traffic signature might as well have been one giant gummy worm. On top of that, the IT guy over there was getting complaints because his firewall was acting funny and dropping connections. I think we let the guy chew on it for a solid week, but he kept giving us excuses as to why it wasn't done. I was directed by my management at one point to send a 24 hour disconnect notice (on a Friday IIRC), and the guy calls me back asking me how to find out which computer is infected (which one... hah!). Anyhow, I think they went through 4 IT people that year. Good times. I need a beer just thinking about it.
 
greenfrogman said:
most ISPs if they had an Spambot running would disconnect the system its in there right to do so norm it have to be running for day or 2 before an ISP would disconnect you thought (Why P2P apps norm do not make your Internet go off due to some of the peers using SMTP ports as incoming connections)

all they have to do is turn it back on and then fix the issue as it would not be an instant disconnect, you really have to be hammering the upload with spam to get your computer to get knocked off
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a little punctuation goes a long way
 
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