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In response to the rumors that Google is ditching the use of all Microsoft operating systems, Microsoft had this to say:

When it comes to security, even hackers admit we’re doing a better job making our products more secure than anyone else. And it’s not just the hackers; third party influentials and industry leaders like Cisco tell us regularly that our focus and investment continues to surpass others.
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anyone else find it odd that adobe's security vulnerability is Microsoft's fault.
 
There will come a time - soon, very soon - when some highly motivated and astonishly great (take that, Steve Jobs) coder/hacker/wizard extraordinaire is going to read some report about "Apple and Mac OSX are the best/safest/blah fucking blah blah fucking BLAH" and he/she is going to say to themselves...

"Ok, that's enough."

And when that happens, that person is going to focus their entire being on causing something to happen, and that something is going to absolutely wreck Apple's oh-so-well crafted reputation which it simply doesn't rightfully deserve.

Every time I see someone or some blog or pundit or whoever toss out the standard Apple line of "the best operating system" "the most advanced operating system" "the most secure operating system" I just laugh inside, and smile on the outside, because I've been at this game for decades and Apple is ripe for a fall - pun very much intended.

It's coming...
 
I love this kind of stuff. Microsoft is the only vulnerable software maker out there... well, aside from Adoobie. Clearly.
 
the-one1 said:
According to some people, everything is Microsoft's fault.
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So true, and I am sick of hearing crap like that. Say a vendor release a piece of hardware, but fails to code proper drivers for it, and it ends up crashing or not working. Who gets the blame? Microsoft, instead of the vendor who made the product. I guess it is just easier to blame some one than try and fix something. Out of every Windows based machine I have ever built/owned or worked with to date, the only time Windows has crashed or 'broke' was because of but not limited to one of the following or a combination:

- Person did something stupid (downloaded something they shouldn't have).
- A piece of hardware failed.
- A bad driver for something was installed.
- Flakey program was installed.

These seem the most common.

Of course none if this excuses Windows ME ... /shutters.

Personally I think Google just wanted and excuse; I guess they are serious about getting in the OS business now.
 
When Microsoft faced all the security issues in XP at the beginning of 2002 and Gates shut things down for a few days, I think that Microsoft is FINALLY at the point where it can say with a straight face and actually have reasonable people believe that security is job #1 at Microsoft.

Microsoft still has its problems with security but it was the first software company and still the only one that has had to face security on this type of scale. Hundreds of millions of machines, targets if you will always under threat, no one else has ever had to deal with this problem, perhaps no one else ever will have to deal with security like this on this scale ever again.
 
We need to get Bill Gates doing a Rodney Dangerfield impression sometime...

"I get no respect... my company gets no respect... our products get no respect... nothing we do is ever right... no respect at all."

I know he's not with the company day-to-day anymore but, just as Steve Jobs will forevermore be associated with Apple no matter what he may do from this moment forward, it's simply unfair to bash Microsoft the way people do.

I look at today's announcement by AT&T to kill the unlimited data plan on the iPhones/iPads (even in spite of them being limited in the first place to some degree) and can't help but think "Ok, Apple knew all about this, and AT&T was a willing partner in this, it's one big ass fish hook and everyone that wants to buy an iPad after June 7th is going to get skewered..."

I'm sure glad Microsoft ain't a hardware company...
 
Damn, forgot my <sarcasm> tags... :)

But anyway, the meaning was computers, and Microsoft outsources pretty much everything with their name on it anyway. Microsoft keyboards and mice? Designed and built by Kensington for many years now... Xbox stuff? Same principle, and on and on...
 
Microsoft is right.
Google also knows they're right, too. I still maintain the security excuse is just that: an excuse. They don't want to partner up with Microsoft anymore, and there's a reason for it.

Bahamut said:
There will come a time - soon, very soon - when some highly motivated and astonishly great (take that, Steve Jobs) coder/hacker/wizard extraordinaire is going to read some report about "Apple and Mac OSX are the best/safest/blah fucking blah blah fucking BLAH" and he/she is going to say to themselves...

"Ok, that's enough."

And when that happens, that person is going to focus their entire being on causing something to happen, and that something is going to absolutely wreck Apple's oh-so-well crafted reputation which it simply doesn't rightfully deserve.
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Maybe one day.
But what's been happening so far is "focus their entire being" has so much time invested into crafting that malware, why write something that will reach millions when you can craft something that will reach billions?

Maybe, but nobody has been willing to do it for the principle of the thing yet. All hackers and most IT people everywhere know that OS X isn't chalked up to what it's supposed to be, and an easy target. So who will they impress? Nobody.
 
Bahamut said:
Damn, forgot my <sarcasm> tags... :)

But anyway, the meaning was computers, and Microsoft outsources pretty much everything with their name on it anyway. Microsoft keyboards and mice? Designed and built by Kensington for many years now... Xbox stuff? Same principle, and on and on...
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I know, but Apple also outsources their parts too. Hell, so does HP and Dell.

They're all assemblers.

I know what you meant, and I'm just playing anyways lol. Microsoft is first and foremost a software company. Hardware is a sort of side project.
 
The funny thing is people actually taking some credence to what Google is saying. I guess everyone has forgotten that google is trying to come out with their own OS and the first thing you do when you want to compete with another company is undermine their product. This is just posturing by Google to start undermining Microsoft. It is also them trying to save face for being hacked because of their poor security.

Other claims such that Microsoft is the least secure are just BS. Any good analyst would tell you that the simple reason you have the most attacks on MS systems is because MS has the largest majority of the market and thus controls the most systems that have some money behind them. The impetus to hack or crack into systems these days is money. It has nothing to do with which OS is the easiest to get into. It has been shown time and time again that Apple has the weakest security of all the OS's. With Unix, you don't have enough people with proper training and knowledge to support them, so that is not really a viable solution for most companies.

So really that leaves Microsoft, which even though they have such a huge market lead, still stays vigilant in trying to secure holes and improve their software. Plus neither Apple or Linux have viable solutions to replace most company networks because of the sheer volume of products and software that are made for Windows and are in use right now.
 
Would be so funny if Windows had an "Ultra secure mode", which effectively disables any and all adobe products.
 
Parmenides said:
Would be so funny if Windows had an "Ultra secure mode", which effectively disables any and all adobe products.
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Internet Explorer 8 64-bit in Protected Mode.

Adobe doesn't have anything that works on it lol
 
It's not Microsoft's fault. Guess who's fault it is (always)? :rolleyes: The user.

If the user ceased to exist, there would be no security vulnerability. :D
 
NoOther said:
The funny thing is people actually taking some credence to what Google is saying. I guess everyone has forgotten that google is trying to come out with their own OS and the first thing you do when you want to compete with another company is undermine their product. This is just posturing by Google to start undermining Microsoft. It is also them trying to save face for being hacked because of their poor security.
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Of course, just before Google starts releasing more Android tablets and Chrome OS devices, after years of Windows getting better with security and NOW Windows is insecure.

Starting to make me want to get off Gmail because I hear people's Gmail getting hacked all the time.
 
heatlesssun said:
Of course, just before Google starts releasing more Android tablets and Chrome OS devices, after years of Windows getting better with security and NOW Windows is insecure.

Starting to make me want to get off Gmail because I hear people's Gmail getting hacked all the time.
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The bad thing is that there's nothing better. Ex Google Apps.

Microsoft disallows domains with the word "online" in them, so I can't move my hosting over to them. Microsoft kindof shooting themselves in the foot with that one.
 
TexUs said:
The bad thing is that there's nothing better. Ex Google Apps.

Microsoft disallows domains with the word "online" in them, so I can't move my hosting over to them. Microsoft kindof shooting themselves in the foot with that one.
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Hosting of what exactly? The Office stuff is pretty much hostable anywhere you can run windows and SharePoint and Microsoft has an all new web services package coning out. Google apps are cute but not anywhere near the functionality I need.
 
heatlesssun said:
Hosting of what exactly? The Office stuff is pretty much hostable anywhere you can run windows and SharePoint and Microsoft has an all new web services package coning out. Google apps are cute but not anywhere near the functionality I need.
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I can point the MX records of my domain to Google's servers, and use Gmail to send/receive my custom domain email.

Microsoft has something similar but my domain has the word "online" in it and they don't allow it.
 
Some people are just living in the past still seeing this draconian and clumsy Microsoft thats so slow it cant even get to the dinner table before the food is cold.

Security? They used to be terrible, but now theyre pretty much on the ball.

Win7 has renewed many peoples faith in the platform.

Its not perfect, but IE8 is way better than IE7 which is way better than IE6. With the things we're hearing about IE9 it seems MS is quite serious about this and I won't be surprised one bit if it changes browser trends.

The last major issue MS has to work out is WinMo aka Windows Phone. I'm quite anxious to see how this one works out for them. Its not too different a scene for them than was the case with Vista or IE, lots of negative opinions on their products, with lots of competitors like MacOS, FF, and Chrome eating away market share. Only in this market its Iphone, Blackberry, and Android, and MS has fared worse in this arena. They used to be able to hold their own against the competition, but since then the Iphone has matured, Blackberries devices has improved considerably, and Android is rocking, all while MS is still running the same stuff they've had forever. If MS can execute the way they have with Win7, this market will get VERY interesting.
 
I think Microsoft stands to do pretty well with Windows Phone 7. It's not going to be a revolution in the mobile market, but Microsoft seems to be designing a desirable platform. If the handsets are decent, I think they stand to do well &#8212; assuming their marketing efforts don't fall too flat.

It's no iPhone or Android killer, but I think it could be a good opportunity for them to explore the ins and outs of a closed mobile ecosystem.
 
phide said:
I think Microsoft stands to do pretty well with Windows Phone 7. It's not going to be a revolution in the mobile market, but Microsoft seems to be designing a desirable platform. If the handsets are decent, I think they stand to do well — assuming their marketing efforts don't fall too flat.

It's no iPhone or Android killer, but I think it could be a good opportunity for them to explore the ins and outs of a closed mobile ecosystem.
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I think this is a pretty fair assessment of Windows 7 Phone. The biggest feature of this OS phone is it's cleanness and simplicity and Zune, that's actually going to sell of few of these phones.

Will the iPhone and Android be the big boys still. Sure but because of how well Windows 7 Phone leverages .Net, specifically Silverlight, I think you'll see a TON of apps developed for this platform in no time.

So Win 7 Phone will at least stop the bleeding but beyond that my crystal ball just won't work.
 
Take the derivative of security improvements and yes MS have done the most.
But well starting out with a turd, then polishing it and finally pasteurising it doesn't change the fact that it is a turd and started like shit!

MS had the furthest to come w.r.t. to security so it is easy to make such a claim they have done alot
 
There are probably plenty of good real reasons for this move. I doubt security is one of them.
 
Microsoft needs (with respect to WinMo7) to market the positives of this stuff, like they did with Windows. It seemed to work well.
They also need to market the crap out of Zune, too. They're great products that are better than their more popular counterparts IMO.
 
eeyrjmr said:
Take the derivative of security improvements and yes MS have done the most.
But well starting out with a turd, then polishing it and finally pasteurising it doesn't change the fact that it is a turd and started like shit!

MS had the furthest to come w.r.t. to security so it is easy to make such a claim they have done alot
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haters gonna hate
 
eeyrjmr said:
MS had the furthest to come w.r.t. to security so it is easy to make such a claim they have done alot
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This is IT, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Who's doing more for me lately over security than Microsoft? Google?
 
eeyrjmr said:
MS had the furthest to come w.r.t. to security so it is easy to make such a claim they have done alot
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They have. It took far too long for them to come to their senses and realize that crippling limited user and guest accounts to the point where they were totally unusable (want to look at the calendar? Log out of your user account and into the administrator account) was the Wrong Fucking Idea. Why it took so long is beyond me, but at least they're making the right moves these days.

If you put a Windows 7 or Vista machine behind a firewall and raise UAC to its highest level, you have a pretty damn secure system. An ignorant user is still capable of wreaking havoc, but the system itself is pretty secure from external, unauthorized threats. It's the same with OS X. The same with Linux/UNIX.
 
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