AT&T has revealed that 40% of the iPhones sold so far in 2010 have been to business customers. Should this news scare RIM? I have always perceived the Blackberry as the business phone of choice.
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40% of iPhones Sold to Businesses
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I would rather see more android running in businesses, the company my cousin works for supports winmo, android, and rim to use with the software they run, he told me they don't use the iphone because of the lack of multitasking.
Indeed, it was.
If most people were running programs. Most business people simply want email, to be able to read attachments that come in and to quickly respond. Yes Blackberry can do that, but the iphone had a better experience. We also started giving techs ipod touch devices so they can receive mail throughout the buildings via wifi which saves us money on phone service. That basically seals it for us. and I haven't checked in a while but we also needed additional software on android to do what the iphone/touch can do out of the box.
At work we love iPhones. I can walk somebody up getting there exchange account in about three minutes. Blackberries can take so much longer and every carrier makes it different. We don't even suppor Windows phones. I think this would be why businesses are getting them.
The infrastructure and support that RIM has in place with their products has been established over the past decade or so, it's not like Apple can throw a switch and tomorrow a huge majority of companies are going to drop their BlackBerries like they were literally hot potatoes.
Apple might have a foothold in the potential, and some promising things coming with iPhone OS 4.0 from the I.T./corporate perspective, but... they're new kids on the block in that arena and they still have a long long way to go if they're interested.
I attended Interop in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and saw little to no actual vendors with iPhone products in my touring of the convention center. There were a few but, RIM and (gasp) Windows Mobile still have that market from all four corners and beyond covered quite well.
AT&T and their announcements... 4 out of every 10 iPhones sold by them went to business and commercial customers? I simply don't believe it, not for a second. It's a great jab at RIM and Windows Mobile/Phone 7 too but, I see no evidence of it in my travels, especially at Interop where iPhones themselves didn't seem to be used by many people at all that I could spot.
If they're out there, that 40%, they sure are hiding really well.
Apple might have a foothold in the potential, and some promising things coming with iPhone OS 4.0 from the I.T./corporate perspective, but... they're new kids on the block in that arena and they still have a long long way to go if they're interested.
I attended Interop in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and saw little to no actual vendors with iPhone products in my touring of the convention center. There were a few but, RIM and (gasp) Windows Mobile still have that market from all four corners and beyond covered quite well.
AT&T and their announcements... 4 out of every 10 iPhones sold by them went to business and commercial customers? I simply don't believe it, not for a second. It's a great jab at RIM and Windows Mobile/Phone 7 too but, I see no evidence of it in my travels, especially at Interop where iPhones themselves didn't seem to be used by many people at all that I could spot.
If they're out there, that 40%, they sure are hiding really well.
RIM needs to clean up their user experience. Hopefully version 6 of their OS will help, but as far as user experience quality as it stands, they seem behind iPhone OS, Android and WebOS imo.
I have to admit, their upcoming slider with touchscreen looks pretty nice.
PS: Do verizon employees at other store locations seem to be BB whores?
I have to admit, their upcoming slider with touchscreen looks pretty nice.
PS: Do verizon employees at other store locations seem to be BB whores?
^ this.
If a BB gets stolen or lost, remote wipe works great with BES.
If an iPhone gets stolen, it takes 5 minutes to grab most of the data off of it without any concern of security.
Until Apple creates a business device, this prosumer BS needs to stop. There is a big difference between consumer/prosumer/enterprise class.
I would have to explain to my bosses that the iPhone is not more secure. This is where IT needs to focus, screw the look what we can do with this stuff, instead, focus on security first. Too many damn lazy sysadmins.
Wait, so AT&T, the only sole legitimate provider of service for the iPhone, sells more iPhones to businesses. Well no shit they're gonna sell not even 50% of them to businesses. Not to mention, define business for me, because this article did not, and even their source @ Reuters is apparently gone (the link was dead at least).
So, in conclusion. RIM shouldn't be worried as long as RIM keeps their head out of their collective asses.
Business could be a 1 man army, it could be a 50 man LLC it could be a 5,000 employee corporation, there is no determination here, just because its billed under a company name is totally pointless. My Paypal goes through a company name, does that make me a business, so therefore if I bought an iPhone, I'd boost AT&T's stats, but in essence have no impact whatsoever on Blackberry's true market focus, enterprise.
tl;dr - Poor article is poor.
So, in conclusion. RIM shouldn't be worried as long as RIM keeps their head out of their collective asses.
Business could be a 1 man army, it could be a 50 man LLC it could be a 5,000 employee corporation, there is no determination here, just because its billed under a company name is totally pointless. My Paypal goes through a company name, does that make me a business, so therefore if I bought an iPhone, I'd boost AT&T's stats, but in essence have no impact whatsoever on Blackberry's true market focus, enterprise.
tl;dr - Poor article is poor.
Good points. No source, no validity.
Well it trumps everything EXECPT Windows Mobile 6.x, which when joined to a domian is actually better than BB. WM 6.5.3 is actually very usable as well.
I've done some work at more than a couple of large companies that block active sync on devices that aren't joined to the domain or managed by RIM enterprise server. Plenty of whining about having to carry the latest fancy Android/iPhone plus the company provided managed device.
Problem with blocking activesync, if your company has OWA, most phones can get email.
Its easier to focus on security for OWA than it is to block activesync.
I feel that way too. I'm safe as long as the iPhone is AT&T only. They get no service in any of our buildings and they don't have 3G coverage with in 20 miles. Right now we are 90% WinMo with a few Blackberry phones. Every few months it gets brought up and I get asked "why can't we have iPhones" Being able to say its because they don't work makes it easy.
As someone in the industry, iPhone has nothing on the Blackberry at the moment.
Of-course things might change in near future. I am seeing interesting trends with RIM going for consumer oriented approach while Apple and Android are trying to become more "business friendly".
That being said with iPhone 4.0 OS we should be seeing some major B2B apps coming
Of-course things might change in near future. I am seeing interesting trends with RIM going for consumer oriented approach while Apple and Android are trying to become more "business friendly".
That being said with iPhone 4.0 OS we should be seeing some major B2B apps coming
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Of course 40% where sold to businesses im sure if you look closely its apple buying them all
Exactly--I was going to raise that point, myself. I've got a personal phone--no, it isn't even a "smartphone" as I'm too smart to own one, but let's not get into that--I've got a personal phone that I list as a "business phone" just because employment by my company entitles me to get a discount off the normal consumer rate. Millions of people do this, and all of the carriers are well aware of the practice.
This is the latest fad in advertising. AT&T wants to advance business purchases of the iPhone because right now AT&T is the exclusive iPhone carrier. So AT&T runs a PR piece stating that "40% of its iPhone sales are to business customers" hoping that people will mistake the information for "40% of all business phones sold in the US are iPhones," so that AT&T can sell more iPhones.
As other people in this thread have remarked, the iPhone is centrally designed for non-commercial, individual consumer use, whereas many of the RIM products are designed from a security standpoint specifically for business use. Hence, RIM's business market is in no danger from Apple's iPhone. It's typical, though, of Apple zealotry in the past--whenever Apple ships a new product there are a sizable number of Apple consumer loyalists who are of the opinion that such a device has never been seen before in the history of mankind...
Strange, but true!
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Typing emails and such on touch phones sucks arse! keypad FTW,
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Much longer?? Obviously not running a BES eh?? With BES the person clicks on enterprise activation, types in their email addy and PW and VOILA! EVERYTHING from their Exchange account is on their BB... INCLUDING their notes(which don't sync with an iPhone)
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It's actually quite comfortable unless you have big fat fingers which normally coincides with being big and fat.
I'm not familiar with Android, but don't they lack the ability to push Exchange emails?
The only thing I hated about Blackberry's Exchange push is they didn't support multiple folders within Inbox. On my computer I have Outlook set up with rules to redirect emails to specific email folders, but only Bold, I could only see Inbox itself, not folders within.
My iPhone can see all folders.
I've gotten pretty damn fast on mine. On other OSKs, I'm sure my speed would go down quite a bit, but I'm familiar enough with the iPhone OSK that it isn't really an issue for me.
Took a long time, but I've finally gotten the hang of it.
That's just it though, my hands are normal size. The thing is even my uncle who is you could say on the large side he even finds it comfortable. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance, 2 minutes with the thing and I never picked up another one again.
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We use a mixture of iPhones and BlackBerries at work..I prefer to work on the iphones.
Android 1.6 and newer does, and there are free upgrades to 2.x from most providers for most phones.
That's just it though, my hands are normal size. The thing is even my uncle who is you could say on the large side he even finds it comfortable. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance, 2 minutes with the thing and I never picked up another one again.
I agree with you here, except in that I have large hands (and large feet, neck, etc...) although I am close to 'normal' size in appearance. Oh, and I'm not fat (<9% BMI up until I hit 30, but now in my 40's I have added a little extra weight.) For me, screen typing sucks... but it's easier than a flip out keyboard with super small keys...I push three keys usually when trying to push one. The only way I can effectively use a PDA is with a stylus or voice command, the other input methods are mostly unusable to me.
The real problem is, these devices are only made for the average stature person, the majority of such are pencil neck geeks.