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This is the greatest idea to ever be defeated by a camcorder pointed at a TV. I am astounded at the sheer stupidity of this decision.

A decision handed down by the FCC this week will allow content providers (namely cable and satellite companies) to selectively turn off the outputs on the back of cable boxes and other devices on a program-by-program basis and for a limited time. This will prevent users from connecting recording devices to the boxes, which, in theory, will head off piracy of these programs.
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Hilarious. And they wonder why I have all but stopped watching TV and movies. Though to be honest, my TV/movie consumption reduction prolly has more to do with the crap content, than the legal and technical hoops they jump through, just to fail at protecting it anyway.
 
This doesn't make sense. The boxes req an output to the tv which can be easily replaced with a recording device how you gonna shut that down
 
A decision handed down by the FCC this week will allow content providers to selectively turn off the outputs on the back of cable boxes and other devices...which, in theory, will head off piracy of these programs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


Oh, crap, secondaries... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
 
What a bunch of BS! So if you have your TV hooked up analog and are watching a show then next show comes on boom! black screen. dumbest thing ever
 
This will be incredibly easy to circumvent, what a waste of time and resources for the judicial system.
 
The only people stopped by things like these are neighbourhood pirates who offer you badly done copies of this and that for a few bucks. It's like game copy protection, those are the only people stopped. Everybody else have no problem.

This case is defeated by basic circuit board logic knowledge and soldering experience.


Near three months ago, I tossed out my tv, part due to nothing worthwhile or intelligent being on ever, part because we pay a license for it here and I could not approve the slightest of what my money was spent on. Didn't take long until I felt better in all ways.

Television makes you dumb.
 
I completely understand why consumers do not want our service providers to be able to selectively disable our devices...

... however if this eventually downgrades into "all content is pay-per-view" as suggested by the article, I'd probably be better off. I don't watch a lot of TV, and there are only a few specific shows I have any interest in. 99c a show would be cheaper for me overall than regular monthly rates.
 
so... they would be able to go through my cable box turn it off there, and the turn it off AGAIN on my tv... the only way it's gonna work... I give it 5 minutes before it gets hacked and someone finds a way around it :D
 
what if the FCC set aside this function ONLY for PPV channels and maybe even speficying channel numbers?
 
This wont last long, someone will probably just make a box to intercept the signals and end up passing them along to both your TV and recording device uninterrupted.
 
what they dont realize is that people will do at home what some due in the theatre, only itll be easier because you wont have to pretend that your purse needs to watch the movie... They will plop a video camera right in front of the TV and push record, and these copies wont have peoples heads popping up on the movie like Mystery Science Theater 3000
 
aliaskary77 said:
what if the FCC set aside this function ONLY for PPV channels and maybe even speficying channel numbers?
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The linked source doesnt say this, but this basically what the FCC has said. The block is good only for 90 day, or until the content is released on another media such a blu ray or DVD, which ever comes first.

The idea here is a quicker release to PPV which in theory is in the interest of the consumer
 
So, what is to stop people from using a camcorder to rip a movie like they already do?
 
I just want to say, that this they did not win the right to decide what tv output is usable on all videos. They are ONLY allowed to use selectable output on content that has NOT been released on DVD, and is only available on-demand. They cannot select which outputs(non-HDCP) can be used to show generic videos. It is NOT on a program-by-program basis, but only for programs which meet specific criteria which is not available on DVD and on-demand only.

The only thing this changes is that now hollywood will allow their movies to go to movies-on-demand EARLIER than they did before. Why? Because they now feel "safe".
 
How do they know what outputs I use for my TV? TV's can use s-video, hdmi, component, co-axial for video and audio is fead via RCA, co-axial, hdmi, and optical.

If they dare turn off my TV and/or my Audio and try and force me to co-axial I am going to drop their damn service.

Personally I use hdmi (v) and optical (a).
 
Taldren said:
How do they know what outputs I use for my TV? TV's can use s-video, hdmi, component, co-axial for video and audio is fead via RCA, co-axial, hdmi, and optical.

If they dare turn off my TV and/or my Audio and try and force me to co-axial I am going to drop their damn service.

Personally I use hdmi (v) and optical (a).
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Only HDCP capable outputs will be enabled which eliminates all but HDMI and maybe DVI.
 
Right, because they would never abuse their new-found powers.
 
The only way I see this working is if they require HDMI/HDCP to watch Payperview/ they can then disable th other outputs. The Analog Outputs are the easiest to copy from.
I also agree that this will only stop the average joe from copying movies for there friends.

I also see it as a benifit as we can get movies via Payperview the same day the movies are released to theaters instead of the currently getting them the day there released to DVD.

Theres nothing they can do to stop piracy, Pirates will always find a way to get things for free and make everyone else pay for it.
 
As long as we retain the right to cancel our cable service, they can do whatever the hell they want.

Most shows are available online from the networks at acceptable quality. I figured out that even if I were to purchase full-season DVDs of the few shows I do watch, it would be roughly half my annual cable bill. Goodbye.
 
So these Bags of dicks think this is going to head off piracy? Really?!?!?

I'm really at a loss of words on how STUPID this is.
 
Falknir said:
This wont last long, someone will probably just make a box to intercept the signals and end up passing them along to both your TV and recording device uninterrupted.
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I think they have that already or am I missing something" TV tuners for the computer.
 
Kaldskryke said:
I completely understand why consumers do not want our service providers to be able to selectively disable our devices...

... however if this eventually downgrades into "all content is pay-per-view" as suggested by the article, I'd probably be better off. I don't watch a lot of TV, and there are only a few specific shows I have any interest in. 99c a show would be cheaper for me overall than regular monthly rates.
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Indeed.... it would be tons cheaper.
 
GORANKAR said:
Hilarious. And they wonder why I have all but stopped watching TV and movies. Though to be honest, my TV/movie consumption reduction prolly has more to do with the crap content, than the legal and technical hoops they jump through, just to fail at protecting it anyway.
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yup don't watch TV nor movies (in the UK). Just on my PC all the time.
 
Jeebus, this is one step away from "Banning all playing of content anywhere at all ever unless an authorized distribution manager is on premises."

Stupid stupid stuff.

Where are the HDMI recorders at anyways? Come on China. Get on it already.
 
thebaest said:
what they dont realize is that people will do at home what some due in the theatre, only itll be easier because you wont have to pretend that your purse needs to watch the movie... They will plop a video camera right in front of the TV and push record, and these copies wont have peoples heads popping up on the movie like Mystery Science Theater 3000
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Agreed

This is not going to solve those piracy in cinema, but infact makes those cam pirated movie more better quality than ever :eek:
 
Loki008 said:
The block is good only for 90 day, or until the content is released on another media such a blu ray or DVD, which ever comes first.

The idea here is a quicker release to PPV which in theory is in the interest of the consumer
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The only reason I could see is so that they can now try to lobby for expanding the rights by saying "well we can already have the technology in place, we can do it for the first 90 days (make up some statistics showing some benefit) and look how much it has helped". What do you think is more likely, if this has any effect do you think its more likely it will decrease the amount of time before something gets to PPV or increase the amount of time before its released on DVD/Bluray. Since the same studios are making a bunch of deals with Redbox, Netflix, etc to delay rentals and streaming I don't think they have getting products to the consumer as a high priority.

HDCP has already been defeated long ago so I don't see how else this would benefit them.
 
Hollywood is a bunch of fucking retards.

Simple solution to piracy, make it cheap and convenient enough that the average person will buy it because its not worth it to pirate. One convenient place, and really cheap.

But that would take risk they don't want to mitigate, especially when they can just rape honest people on prices and whine about piracy.
 
NKDietrich said:
Its so easy to bypass HDCP.
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This . It won't stop piracy groups that have the knowledge and understand to get around this..

When HDCP was first introduced its biggest feature was that the hardware required to "key fake" was too expensive for piracy groups to pay for but that was years ago ..

Its dumb that content providers are allowed such access to shut off inputs .. make that CRAZY.

I hope this gets overturned.
 
So if I have it connected to my computer, they can't do anything about it. As long as it's not my TV.
 
MorfiusX said:
So, what is to stop people from using a camcorder to rip a movie like they already do?
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Well this is just the first step. You see, in the future you will be able to rent HDCP eyes from your local cable co for a nominal fee of around $90 a month. Only those with HDCP eyes will be able to see the image on your screen. This will stop those damn free loading friends you have over from watching your HBO. They need to get their own!!

:p

Really though this is pointless. Will create headaches for their support lines and that is about it. Doubt it will do anything about piracy. Though, to be fair, if they annoy all their customers enough they might lose them all. This would stop the service and I guess no one can pirate something that doesn't exist :p
 
I'm pretty sure they haven't heard about the HDfury product line.
 
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