When did Apple Become Uncool?

*Snicker* You mean like how they carried those black and many unique cases? They just costed more.

...sort of like Apple.

Right, but as I said, people got tired of beige and demanded PC to look as good as Apple. Hell, even PC laptops look horrid back then. They looked like briefcases, yet cost almost four to six times as much as a PC.

Not only Apple encouraged it, but the modding community helped push mainstream stylish cases out as well. I remember spending a few hours a few days a week looking through the hundreds of case mods on our forum and at virtual-hideout.com
 
Have you used both?
They work the exact same. Your argument is moot.

I have used both. They do not work the same. One has a screen significantly larger. Please hold your iphone at arms length and then read something on it. Sorry, holding a device within a foot of my face just isn't fun.

I think he means a 70 year old grandmother generally have poor eye sights and needs a bigger screen to see her emails.

Correct. It also puts then in the same realm of how they normally do things. When you write a person a letter or type it...think about how you are positioned. An iphone does not even come near that experience. The ipad...gives that feeling somewhat of a typewriter. Which is what the sisters mother-in-law liked. It felt natural to her.

Being "terrified" of computers is not a valid argument to say that iPads are better for them. It just means that they gave one product a try without giving another a try. I know plenty of old folks that use Windows XP for the simple things without too much issue.

It is a very valid argument. Sorry, but PC's (mac or apple) are not the panacea that people make them out to be. Things happen all the time that just don't make sense. For example...somehow my mother managed to installed acrobat reader 3 over 9...but the 9 icon was still on her desktop. Unless you have dealt with these situations before, they are not "obvious". Going to a website and getting a virus for reasons beyond your control isn't cool. Then expecting me to drive 3+ hours to fix it..then another 3+ hours bad is just as foolish. Their fears/concerns are rational and founded. Just because you know what to do...doesn't mean every else should.

I'm glad that the iPad doesn't fill any your needs and you have your solution. But that doesn't make your solution the best solution for everyone. Remember...640k is enough for anyone...right?
 
Right, but as I said, people got tired of beige and demanded PC to look as good as Apple. Hell, even PC laptops look horrid back then. They looked like briefcases, yet cost almost four to six times as much as a PC.

Not only Apple encouraged it, but the modding community helped push mainstream stylish cases out as well. I remember spending a few hours a few days a week looking through the hundreds of case mods on our forum and at virtual-hideout.com

I'll admit some ignorance in this, but mind telling me which apple encouraged pcs to look good? Because really the only Apple I remember challenging looks was the iMac and it looked awful (and had that stupid hockpuck mouse) But which is why I'm saying black cased PCs were looking more slick/professional.
 
Shouldn't it be more a question of when did Apple become cool?

I'll blame the Macbook for that, or the multi coloured CRT crap from the late 90's-early 2000's.

Since the Apple TV box was a giant failure, he may well move into the TV screen market, it's the only thing Job's has not tried tainting yet.
 
I'll admit some ignorance in this, but mind telling me which apple encouraged pcs to look good? Because really the only Apple I remember challenging looks was the iMac and it looked awful (and had that stupid hockpuck mouse) But which is why I'm saying black cased PCs were looking more slick/professional.

I'm thinking along the lines of the G4 series. Good lord, I thank God every day the PC didn't adopt the iMac look! lol
 
That has an Apple sub-forum. So what's your point?

ask for simpathy in the apple forum then?

wtf u want from me? to say I love apple and will spend thousands of dollars like you on stuff? you want me ot go buy a turtleneck and come over and share the "mac" experance?

uh...
hell no. I hate apple, im not going to get into it anymore then that right now.
 
But, have you noticed....Jobs keeps finding new "niches". As long as he keeps doing that, he wins. I'm not sure what is after the iPad....but it will be interesting to see.

The iDiaper.. That's whats next.

Believe it!
 
I'm thinking along the lines of the G4 series. Good lord, I thank God every day the PC didn't adopt the iMac look! lol

Ninja Edit: although eMachines tried to adopt the iMac look, and failed miserably. Today's iMac doesn't look too shabby and there's a few PC that shares the same style, such as the HP All-in-One and the Dell Studio One.
 
LOL, Apple was cool? Really? Must have been in the 70's, when Jobs was high/trippin on acid...
 
ask for simpathy in the apple forum then?

wtf u want from me? to say I love apple and will spend thousands of dollars like you on stuff? you want me ot go buy a turtleneck and come over and share the "mac" experance?

uh...
hell no. I hate apple, im not going to get into it anymore then that right now.

Calm down killer. I do not own a turtleneck or wish to share 'the "mac" experance(sic)' with anyone. I was just asking your point to which you just responded with complete gibberish.
 
I'm thinking along the lines of the G4 series. Good lord, I thank God every day the PC didn't adopt the iMac look! lol
In my eyes, the G4 is still one of the best-looking computers out there, particularly the "MDD" version. It's somehow both playful and professional, which are two qualities I haven't seen duplicated in a single desktop case/computer since. The G5 case always appealed to me as well, but it's all professional and a little bit boring.

Hell, Kyle even liked the G4 enough to build a PC in one: the Rotten Apple. Interestingly that, at that time, he described Mac OS as a "killer OS' that Apple put in "nice boxes". And that's still what Apple's doing today.

Oh, and since when was any megacorporation "cool"?
 
In my eyes, the G4 is still one of the best-looking computers out there, particularly the "MDD" version. It's somehow both playful and professional, which are two qualities I haven't seen duplicated in a single desktop case/computer since. The G5 case always appealed to me as well, but it's all professional and a little bit boring.

Hell, Kyle even liked the G4 enough to build a PC in one: the Rotten Apple. Interestingly that, at that time, he described Mac OS as a "killer OS' that Apple put in "nice boxes". And that's still what Apple's doing today.

Oh, and since when was any megacorporation "cool"?

Oh yeah I definitely loved that case back then. I still do now - though it would probably burn up my computer, as hot as it gets lol

My Antec Nine Hundred looks pretty cool too, but it's still ugly when compared to the chrome and white G4.
 
I found the one somewhat useful or interesting part of the article: Tech Writer with the last name "Null". Win.
 
Apple was ever cool? I mean really now? I think the fact that your marketing campaign is all about showing how cool you'll be with an apply product where it's a mac or an ipod, shows how definitely uncool you are.
 
I have used both. They do not work the same. One has a screen significantly larger. Please hold your iphone at arms length and then read something on it. Sorry, holding a device within a foot of my face just isn't fun.



Correct. It also puts then in the same realm of how they normally do things. When you write a person a letter or type it...think about how you are positioned. An iphone does not even come near that experience. The ipad...gives that feeling somewhat of a typewriter. Which is what the sisters mother-in-law liked. It felt natural to her.



It is a very valid argument. Sorry, but PC's (mac or apple) are not the panacea that people make them out to be. Things happen all the time that just don't make sense. For example...somehow my mother managed to installed acrobat reader 3 over 9...but the 9 icon was still on her desktop. Unless you have dealt with these situations before, they are not "obvious". Going to a website and getting a virus for reasons beyond your control isn't cool. Then expecting me to drive 3+ hours to fix it..then another 3+ hours bad is just as foolish. Their fears/concerns are rational and founded. Just because you know what to do...doesn't mean every else should.

I'm glad that the iPad doesn't fill any your needs and you have your solution. But that doesn't make your solution the best solution for everyone. Remember...640k is enough for anyone...right?


My 92 year old grandmother uses her PC just fine. She's online with google talk right now and if she needs help I don't have to drive 45 minutes there and back, I just use this magic PC thingy called remote desktop. I do it every two weeks and make sure her computer stays nice and clean.

Plus all her great-grandchildren come over and play, "The Pony Game", and "The Barbie Game", etc... My Aunt who takes care of her can load up all her software and work from there (she is a professor at the University of Utah). Everyone in my massive family knows how to use the computer. It would also be very difficult for her to hold one of those ghastly, egg-shaped, polished-smooth IPads since she has just suffered her 3rd stroke.

And my grandma has been using PC's for years and years. It has a keyboard.. a mouse.. god, it has a million more things then the IPad. And I put it together for $380 complete!
 
When Mac OSX became popular in art design, I noticed this around 2006 with my first time using Mac OSX. My view towards Apple's products changed from neutral to positive. I was considering purchase an MacBook Pro for the use of software development, media and to have an OSX machine. I considered the iPhone to be decent.

As all things must come to an end, the MacBook Air started my own downhill trend. The pricing on Windows laptops and more hardware value and the superior .NET, Visual Studio 8/10 was convincing . It was the iPhone and iPad mess with Adobe, when my view of Apple changed for the considerable future.

As for advertising, we all laughed with the "Get a Mac Ads" and it ended quickly for reasons we most agreed on. "I'm a PC" and "Laptop hunters" showed the painful reality and truth.
 
Once Apple gets rid of Jobs the company will start to make real computers again.
 
My 92 year old grandmother uses her PC just fine. She's online with google talk right now and if she needs help I don't have to drive 45 minutes there and back, I just use this magic PC thingy called remote desktop. I do it every two weeks and make sure her computer stays nice and clean.

Plus all her great-grandchildren come over and play, "The Pony Game", and "The Barbie Game", etc... My Aunt who takes care of her can load up all her software and work from there (she is a professor at the University of Utah). Everyone in my massive family knows how to use the computer. It would also be very difficult for her to hold one of those ghastly, egg-shaped, polished-smooth IPads since she has just suffered her 3rd stroke.

And my grandma has been using PC's for years and years. It has a keyboard.. a mouse.. god, it has a million more things then the IPad. And I put it together for $380 complete!

We were talking about the iPad advantage over iPhone, not Apple vs PC.
 
When you are 65+ years old and want to get on the Internet do you really think people go, "Should I get an iPhone or an iPad?" No, the vast majority of the population consider all their options, not just what Apple product should I buy... It's gonna just be you and the other cultists who can only consider Apple products, and that's your problem. Makes me feel bad for your grandmother. My grandma can run Firefox, Google Talk, and Spider Solitaire at the same time. And she can do this with shaky hands after 3 strokes.

:rolleyes:
 
When you are 65+ years old and want to get on the Internet do you really think people go, "Should I get an iPhone or an iPad?" No, the vast majority of the population consider all their options, not just what Apple product should I buy... It's gonna just be you and the other cultists who can only consider Apple products, and that's your problem. Makes me feel bad for your grandmother. My grandma can run Firefox, Google Talk, and Spider Solitaire at the same time. And she can do this with shaky hands after 3 strokes.

:rolleyes:

Dude, we know that. We were specifically talking about the iPad and the iPhone.
 
The day they started torturing their employees (err...sorry, Foxconn's) to death in China.
 
Dude, we know that. We were specifically talking about the iPad and the iPhone.

Go read this thread, we are not talking about the iPhone vs. the iPad. I think you may just be one of the 25% of the population that is mentally retarded. Even in your own post, which I quoted, you talk about the PC and someone, somehow installing Adobe Acrobat 3 on their machine. You failed, deal with it.
 
It has a keyboard.. a mouse.. god, it has a million more things then the IPad. And I put it together for $380 complete!

I'm quoting this for the truth... No one is saying that the iPad isn't "neat", but necessary...? Not in the slightest.

I have a pro Apple coworker, happens to use the iPhone and jizzed in his pants when his 35+ year old brother bought the new 24 inch iMac. And he couldn't find one good reason to get hyped for the iPad, he said the same thing I just said, it's neat but it really isn't necessary.

If I had money to throw away, more then I usually do that is, and I wanted something that I could carry around and pretend that I am awesome with, I would totally buy an iPad. I'm sure it would make a great conversational topic as the iPhone has done over the past few years.

Novelty sells...
 
But, have you noticed....Jobs keeps finding new "niches". As long as he keeps doing that, he wins. I'm not sure what is after the iPad....but it will be interesting to see.

Apple hasn't found nor defined a new niche in a long long time. What they do is look at existing products and slick them up and then market the hell out of them. There were mp3 players before the iPod, smartphones before the iPhone, and tablets before the iPad.
 
yea i got memories of playing LAN games of quake2 in high school in the computer labs. great times:) hid the game in a common folder and just renamed 'quake2.exe' to 'paint.exe' and the idiots couldn't figure it out lol

lol, in my school, everything was mac with exception of an isolated PC lab where there were only independent studies and maybe a business class. The guys who were doing independent study setup a quake LAN too. I got to join on a non-school day once.
 
Apple was ever cool? I mean really now? I think the fact that your marketing campaign is all about showing how cool you'll be with an apply product where it's a mac or an ipod, shows how definitely uncool you are.

I think it shows how shallow and materialistic a society can be. It's a sad thing when possessions define a person and people define their self-worth and value by some consumer bauble.
 
This is why jobs make more money in 7 minutes than you will your whole life. My sisters in-laws now have two ipads. They are in their 70's and so much wanted to be able to engage in the web and send emails but a computer (mac or PC) terrified them. About an hour playing with an iPad, they ordered two from the Apple store, both with 3G. The whole issue was solved instantly and simply.

1. Optimized machine for web/email...CHECK
2. Not having to worry about internet stuff like modems, routers, etc...CHECK

I think you need to understand the word NICHE before you post again. You are not the niche....people my sisters in-laws are. Why should they not be catered to as well...or are so important that the world should design around you?

Interesting, no way I'd get an iPad for myself or for anyone my age.... but is it really that easy for the most computer illiterate old people? Would it be recommendable to someone who has never touched a computer in their life?
 
Apple hasn't found nor defined a new niche in a long long time. What they do is look at existing products and slick them up and then market the hell out of them. There were mp3 players before the iPod, smartphones before the iPhone, and tablets before the iPad.

Because there is a niche. Why do people keep missing this. I just don't get it. There is a market of people who want 90% of the functionality that only requires 10% of the effort...and they are willing to pay for it if it works well. PERIOD. Look at my sig. I'm a heavy PC user and will probably continue to be. But, I am willing to deal with the time it takes to have the necessary knowledge to deal with the more flexible PC market.

The iPod coupled with iTunes allowed music management to be greatly trivialized and engaging. Before iTunes + iPod...the only way to get music online was just not simple and very much not legal. Apple beat the hell out of it and made it simple. The iPod has evolved and kept evolving. Before the iPod...most mp3 players were for the "geeks" even though many other people wanted them.

The iPhone coupled with the app store finally gave people more than just the web and email in a trivial fashion on a phone. It was a joke. It wasn't until the iPhone came out that smart phones went full tilt in terms of R&D and software product availability. People could finally start doing things without having to jump through hoops. The iPhone has evolved as well and continues to evolve.

The iPad is that next goal. The digital "readers" out there were greatly limited in what they could do but a good idea. You could get your news/books pretty much anywhere. The makers all said "in the future" we will do more but it just wan't happening very quickly. So, they were basically charging $200+ to do one thing...read news/books. It is a good thing, but not the thing. Apple again said...lets give them the reader and the functionality of the iTouch/iPhone in a reader package. I really don't think the iPad was targeting the netbook/ultraportable, I think they were after the reader market.

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My next guess is people will be ragging on me about having WHS. Why didn't I just get full Server 2003! :rolleyes:
 
Because there is a niche. Why do people keep missing this. I just don't get it. There is a market of people who want 90% of the functionality that only requires 10% of the effort...and they are willing to pay for it if it works well. PERIOD. Look at my sig. I'm a heavy PC user and will probably continue to be. But, I am willing to deal with the time it takes to have the necessary knowledge to deal with the more flexible PC market.

The iPod coupled with iTunes allowed music management to be greatly trivialized and engaging. Before iTunes + iPod...the only way to get music online was just not simple and very much not legal. Apple beat the hell out of it and made it simple. The iPod has evolved and kept evolving. Before the iPod...most mp3 players were for the "geeks" even though many other people wanted them.

The iPhone coupled with the app store finally gave people more than just the web and email in a trivial fashion on a phone. It was a joke. It wasn't until the iPhone came out that smart phones went full tilt in terms of R&D and software product availability. People could finally start doing things without having to jump through hoops. The iPhone has evolved as well and continues to evolve.

The iPad is that next goal. The digital "readers" out there were greatly limited in what they could do but a good idea. You could get your news/books pretty much anywhere. The makers all said "in the future" we will do more but it just wan't happening very quickly. So, they were basically charging $200+ to do one thing...read news/books. It is a good thing, but not the thing. Apple again said...lets give them the reader and the functionality of the iTouch/iPhone in a reader package. I really don't think the iPad was targeting the netbook/ultraportable, I think they were after the reader market.

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My next guess is people will be ragging on me about having WHS. Why didn't I just get full Server 2003! :rolleyes:

Why did you even write 'because there is a niche' as a reply to my post? I posted no questions whatsoever, rhetorical or otherwise, so there was nothing to answer with a 'because...' I was not discussing why Apple products sell pretty well whatsoever, I was asserting that Apple has not 'defined new niches' for a long time. So I'm not sure why you replied in a way that disagrees with or counters my assertion - you simply wrote a longer and detailed version of my second sentence for each iThing.

So, I was replying to Apple DEFINING a NEW niche...and I stand by my assertion that they have not DEFINED a niche that's NEW (as in, no very similar pre-existing products) in a long time - those capitalized words are key. Maybe one could say they've shaped some niches but they certainly didn't create them so those niches were not NEW. I did say that what they do is look at existing products and slick them up...a shorter version of your post. So, thanks for posting thorough examples of my second sentence, but your first paragraph is written as a disagreement to something which I was not discussing at all. I don't understand why you wrote that in a disagreeing manner and then went on to write the rest of a post with detailed examples of my point, even though you may have tried to make them counterexamples they actually prove my point.
 
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