NEC 23" IPS EA231WMi

Man, I'm struggling to not pull the trigger on 3rd one of these from the Egg. MUST WAIT TILL NEXT PAYCHECK! I wonder how long these will be around as inventory?
 
Blue Fox said:
Yeah, the only thing missing is the DisplayPort cable. They aren't too expensive fortunately. I bought a couple for under $10 each for my Quadro card (since all it has is couple DisplayPort and nothing else).
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I was just about to ask. I was wondering why they would give me a useless VGA cable, but not include a Displayport cable. Makey no sense.
 
lost78 said:
Man, I'm struggling to not pull the trigger on 3rd one of these from the Egg. MUST WAIT TILL NEXT PAYCHECK! I wonder how long these will be around as inventory?
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I bought 2. I thought about getting 3, but I needed to at least see one in action. I bought 2 since i figured i will keep at least 1, and can always sell the other if im unhappy.

I don't own a card that can drive these yet...
 
I just got mine in today, looks "okay" so far. I have an ass-load of calibrating to do though.

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For some reason, I don't know if it's because I've never seen what "true colors" look like or what, in all honest opinion the Samsung (TV, P2570) wins in almost every personal test I did. Deeper blocks, more rich colors, then again it's heavily calibrated vs. the out-of-the-box settings of the NEC. I do like the fact that when you move around, theres like almost NO color shifting, that's freaking cool as hell.

As for calibrations, anyone have any settings I can use? Right now it's set at 50/50 brightness/ contrast sRGB setting. :(

One thing that's for sure is I wish both the monitors were identical because running dual screens is full of pure win, seriously. I feel like getting one more.
 
Sorry to ask a question that's probably already answered in the thread but what is the visible display area on the NEC monitor?

Thanks, John
 
nascasho said:
For some reason, I don't know if it's because I've never seen what "true colors" look like or what, in all honest opinion the Samsung (TV, P2570) wins in almost every personal test I did. Deeper blocks, more rich colors, then again it's heavily calibrated vs. the out-of-the-box settings of the NEC.
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What kind of tests you did? How e.g. the black & white level and banding test here compare?

As for calibrations, anyone have any settings I can use? Right now it's set at 50/50 brightness/ contrast sRGB setting. :(
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If you don't have a calibrator, then out of the box could the best solution (use the color profile file that came with the installation cd). Or you could try TFTCentral's color profiles but since every unit is different, they might not give the best results. TFTCentral didn't find much difference between Native and sRGB, Prad.de found some and iirc they thought Native mode was better.
 
Meanwhile said:
What kind of tests you did? How e.g. the black & white level and banding test here compare?
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Yeah, I used that one and the samsung pwned the NEC in black levels, except that a couple of gray boxes in one of the tests looked yellow in the sammy.

Meanwhile said:
If you don't have a calibrator, then out of the box could the best solution (use the color profile file that came with the installation cd). Or you could try TFTCentral's color profiles but since every unit is different, they might not give the best results. TFTCentral didn't find much difference between Native and sRGB, Prad.de found some and iirc they thought Native mode was better.
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I have no idea how to install and icc profile, been googling for a while and nada. :(

Only thing that's bothering me thus far is the contrast levels, they kinda blow, but not enough for me to return it. I'm going to mess with the windows calibrator and see what i can get.
 
nascasho said:
I have no idea how to install and icc profile, been googling for a while and nada. :(
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Just right mouse click it, there should be "Install Profile". Then go to Color Management (Control Panel) to activate it. All the .icc files are stored to \WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\color.

Do some of the tests again and see if it makes any difference to the eye.
 
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^^^ Hey cool thanks!

As for applying them, I tried to set use the other profiles along with the one you linked over at TFTCentral and nothing changes? I was changing everything from the weird Japan ones over to even my samsung natural color one. Am I supposed to reboot to see the difference?
 
I have insufficient knowledge but I think these profiles only affect programs that are color managed (for example Mozilla Firefox and Photoshop) and the differencies could be so small that the eye can't even see them. I don't think reboot is needed.

Btw, the Samsung has a glossy screen? (I googled.) NEC has a matte coating. That's going to make it harder to get them look same.
 
Meanwhile said:
I have insufficient knowledge but I think these profiles only affect programs that are color managed (for example Mozilla Firefox and Photoshop) and the differencies could be so small that the eye can't even see them. I don't think reboot is needed.

Btw, the Samsung has a glossy screen? (I googled.) NEC has a matte coating. That's going to make it harder to get them look same.
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They're both matte, it's the P2570. The only thing glossy is the whole frame, looks nice.
 
This NEC is an epic monitor though, the response time is looooow as crap, but I bought it knowing that. One thing is for sure though, never buying a monitor unless it has height, pivot and swivel like this one does. Dude.... it comes in handy! And this base is solid, I was typing like crazy on my crappy desk and the monitor hasn't budged as bad as the samsung has been doing (got used to it). Great build quality overall.

Back to fiddling to get deeper blacks.
 
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For some reason, I don't know if it's because I've never seen what "true colors" look like or what, in all honest opinion the Samsung (TV, P2570) wins in almost every personal test I did. Deeper blocks, more rich colors,

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True, correct colors look quite tame actually. :o That's the truth. Well, depending on what's showing on the screen of course.

Two months ago or so a few people in this thread showed that their 231WMi's came calibrated from the factory. In the sRGB setting. Don't know if that still goes however, haven't followed this thread since then.

Ooops, quoted the images as well
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And that's a "25" Samsung Nascasho? Is it 16.9 or 16.10?

I've been worried that it will seem much smaller than my current 24" 16.10 Dell but, whilst obviously smaller it doesn't look tiny beside it in your pics.
What's your impression? Cheers, John:)
 
In the black and white images of the girl there seems to be more contrast and more grey scale gradation on the NEC, J
 
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Just something I found for a calculator Width is the left column, right is the height.

So width is basically the same, and it's 1.4 ~ " taller
 
johnwillyums said:
And that's a "25" Samsung Nascasho? Is it 16.9 or 16.10?

...What's your impression? Cheers, John:)
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Of the Samsung? It's a damn good monitor. One thing I like the most is that it's one of those monitors where the power supply is external, so just about all the heat is not at your face (remembers 70w Acer... *shudders*) and you HAVE to calibrate it.


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In the black and white images of the girl there seems to be more contrast and more grey scale gradation on the NEC, J
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Yeah, looks like it in the picture it's very hard to describe it really. I am beginning to notice I think a much broader gray scale on the NEC vs. the Samsung. I think the Samsung has a better ability to create a DEEP black, but fails at filling in the other grays? No matter what i try to compare, even using that online calibrator they both look good, just that the NEC can't do a deep black. I need more time with it for now.

More pictures:

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As for the colors, I instantly noticed something damn cool when I used colored pictures. Though they are heavily edited, the NEC blew away the Sammy in the natural skin tones, almost night and day. The girls on the Samsung were more of a yellow tint, the right the girls had a more natural color, I guess more red, but it was a "good" red I guess.
 
Well it might have an issue called "black crush" ... Which takes dark grays and makes them all look black.

Which can give the illusion of "deep blacks" but it's pointless if you just lost all the detail in the dark areas.

You can check and compare on http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

And just see how each monitor performs in the black and white level tests. Both my NEC's were very good. I see the 1st dark grey box even if brightness / constrast is turned all the way down, and same for white levels... unless I increase contrast past 50 then I lose most of the white level tests.
 
Blazestorm said:
Well it might have an issue called "black crush" ... Which takes dark grays and makes them all look black.

Which can give the illusion of "deep blacks" but it's pointless if you just lost all the detail in the dark areas.

You can check and compare on http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

And just see how each monitor performs in the black and white level tests. Both my NEC's were very good. I see the 1st dark grey box even if brightness / constrast is turned all the way down, and same for white levels... unless I increase contrast past 50 then I lose most of the white level tests.
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Yeah, that's the test I used. The very first 4 boxes I can distinguish in the Samsung, and on the NEC they're clear as day and vary a lot less but a lot more of the boxes seem to be differently colored.

Here's a picture, but the camera seemed to be a little different from what I actually see:

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Then dunno... :)

Just be happy with what you got... I'm just glad my two NEC's calibrate within 1-2% of eachother... hopefully the 3rd is the same, will make Eyefinity /using them not as much of a pain. I've done dual-monitors in the past and even though I had the same brand/model I couldn't get them calibrated to look the same.
 
Meanwhile said:
It's 24.6" and 16:9. Maybe this or this comparison will give you better idea.
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Meanwhile-Thanks very much that's exactly what I needed to visualise the difference, excellent help:D

Nascasho- Thanks for the pictures you've posted. Each one is drawing me toward the NEC and away from a Samsung SM2494HM which (with the Dell SP2309W) I've narrowed it down to.
Probably the Samsung would be the most sensible choice; bigger, cheaper, easier, but the NEC's images look great and it doesn't look that small considering it's next to a 25"

Thanks to you both, John:)
 
Blazestorm said:
Then dunno... :)

Just be happy with what you got... I'm just glad my two NEC's calibrate within 1-2% of eachother... hopefully the 3rd is the same, will make Eyefinity /using them not as much of a pain. I've done dual-monitors in the past and even though I had the same brand/model I couldn't get them calibrated to look the same.
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Yeah, you're right. Overall I am really staring to love this NEC for gaming! Usually when I get pissed off in CSS or TF2 I lean back or lean forward, I'm starting to notice more and more that my damn gun doesn't turn black (TN viewing angle). I'm also considering selling my Sammy and getting another NEC as well.

johnwillyums said:
Nascasho- Thanks for the pictures you've posted. Each one is drawing me toward the NEC and away from a Samsung SM2494HM which (with the Dell SP2309W) I've narrowed it down to.
Probably the Samsung would be the most sensible choice; bigger, cheaper, easier, but the NEC's images look great and it doesn't look that small considering it's next to a 25"

Thanks to you both, John:)
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Bad thing about bigger monitors is bigger pixel pitch, some people don't care (to each their own on that one).

If you want more pictures lemme know, got nothing else better to do.
 
Hi,

I am searching for a monitor upgrade from Samsunga 193p and 2232bw.

I don't game much, I do some photoshoping from time to time (dont use raw) - mostly movies, documents and browsing.

I do like the wide gamut very much but I am always disappointed when I look at my pictures in the monitors of others - so I use the sRGB :)

I am deciding either to wait for HP ZR24w to come to my country or to take this brilliant NEC EA231WMi. I am sceptic about the new HP since most of first revisions seem all to have some issues, minor or major and NEC seems to just be a very good monitor.

I already dismissed following three: Dell U2410, LG W2220P and Samsung F2380M.


The only thing I am waging is the price, so the question is: if the HP costed the same as NEC, which one would you guys pick?
 
I would definitely go with the HP. I had the NEC and sold it because I think the screen was to small.
 
nascasho what are your settings in the NEC? IE Brightness, contrast, R, G, B.

I understand different panels are not going to look the same with the same settings, I'd like to do a comparison anyways.
 
snela said:
Hi,

I am searching for a monitor upgrade from Samsunga 193p and 2232bw.

I don't game much, I do some photoshoping from time to time (dont use raw) - mostly movies, documents and browsing.

I do like the wide gamut very much but I am always disappointed when I look at my pictures in the monitors of others - so I use the sRGB :)

I am deciding either to wait for HP ZR24w to come to my country or to take this brilliant NEC EA231WMi. I am sceptic about the new HP since most of first revisions seem all to have some issues, minor or major and NEC seems to just be a very good monitor.

I already dismissed following three: Dell U2410, LG W2220P and Samsung F2380M.


The only thing I am waging is the price, so the question is: if the HP costed the same as NEC, which one would you guys pick?
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Well the HP is about $100 more right now so they don't cost the same and aren't the same resolution. You can't really make a direct comparison.

If you want a 23" get the NEC. If you want a 24" get the HP.
 
My issue is mainly price if I'm buying 3 of them... Especially when I got 2 for $280 vs. $400+ for the HP... it makes a pretty big difference. $350-360 is the cost of a used 5870 roughly
 
Dan UCF said:
nascasho what are your settings in the NEC? IE Brightness, contrast, R, G, B.

I understand different panels are not going to look the same with the same settings, I'd like to do a comparison anyways.
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Brightness: 40%
Contrast: 59.4%
DV Mode: Standard
RGB User:
R: 94.8%
G: 86.5%
B: 100% (I like cool colors)
 
Incase anyone was wondering, you can pass audio over DisplayPort... my 5870 sends it to the NEC just fine and you choose the input inside of the monitor's menus... (From the analog 3.5mm jack to the DisplayPort) and Windows7 detected it as a valid audio device "ATI DP Output"

The speakers are terrible but the headphone port works, shuts off the speakers and sound is going to depend on your headphones I think. But it sounds tolerable through my DT 770 Pros, not as good as going through the Xonar D1 card and headphone amp... but not terrible...

Thought that was a nifty feature though.
 
Can someone please help me run this monitor at 1080p @ 75hz.I would like to play FPS at 75hz at native resolution. I read a post about being able to do this.
Thanks.
 
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