Administration Backs Making Radio Pay Fees

Derfman said:
In 10 to 20 years you and I will be arguing the same point, and it will end with the same statement, and repeat itself again...

Big corporations have too much power on both the conservative and the liberal side of our political system. It's due to a free market that they can move so, oh that's right "freely"... I also feel the same about churches but I won't go any further with that, I will not stomp on anyone's personal beliefs here...
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I'm done arguing with you. Read the links or not, but this is not capitalism. A free market also has law enforcement, and law enforcement has stopped large scale corruption in america for about 200 years (Not counting the past ones).
 
With your definitions btw, Communist Russia, China, not to mention crime rings (which also buy up corporation 'support') is also captitalist, just so you know.
 
Zellio2010 said:
I'm done arguing with you. Read the links or not, but this is not capitalism. A free market also has law enforcement, and law enforcement has stopped large scale corruption in america for about 200 years (Not counting the past ones).
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Then if your right, it will be stopped again... I hope your right cause regardless on how we choose to see things, we are "technically" on the same side of opinion when it comes to this particular article. :p
 
Derfman said:
Then if your right, it will be stopped again... I hope your right cause regardless on how we choose to see things, we are "technically" on the same side of opinion when it comes to this particular article. :p
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I personally doubt it will this time. Too much corruption. Government has too many corrupt people holding too much power and buying up too many corporations. If history has shown me anything, we are acting like the last days of most of the past major civilizations...
 
maademperor said:
I dont listen to music radio stations anyway but I imagine radio stations will stop playing the big name/record contract type guys and start playing more local small types is all. AND they will start selling air time/working out a certain number of free spins when the artists/recording companies who are now seeing no air play start to feel the burn.
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Wow- I agree with that! Good local artists- that would be awesome! I think this might actually bring back music!

I just get so sick of the mass-produced bullshit where music decisions are based on what kind of names can be slapped on a cd cover next to some dumbasss who happens to be the most controversial/best product pusher/next reality TV star these record companies can drag out of the ghetto.

Is that wrong? I don't think so. I am sick of crap rap/pop music that is either made by asshole rappers or bands just selling a hair style.
 
Just wish I was too big to fail!!

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niconx said:
I thought they already had to pay fees. Why else do the radio stations play the exact same songs over and over for years on end.
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They pay them to song writers, not the performers. In most countries, performers are paid every time a song they perform on is played on the radio or pretty much anywhere else.

I'm mixed on this issue. Personally, I thought that internet radio stations got shafted when they had to pay....but that was based on my experience, which is that I tend to buy far more music based on internet radio than from broadcast radio....mostly because the stations tend to play more tracks from an album, but also because I can find stations that play music that's more in tune with what I'm interested in.

As a result, I think if the small players have to pay, the big boys should as well. And then there's the fact that far less people pay for music, so clearly the promotional value of radio is not as substantial as it once was.

With that said, their support is related, I suspect, to all of the media lawyers in Justice as well as heavy lobbying/donations from from the RIAA and other labels.

I'ts a huge win for U.S. artists, since they're the only artists that don't get paid for radio spins in Europe.
 
stiltner said:
Here's the problem. The performers need the radio stations to push their material. People will claim the internet does a lot for them.

But regular radio does way more, touches more people and has a wider range of audience. People get turned on to things they don't choose.

Radio pushes new artists into your ears. All this will do is reinforce the talk radio format, and basically put the axe in top 40 style radio stations.

Artists like, Lady BlahBlah, who by the way, is horrible, and nothing but an auto-tuned studio hack. (I seen her live when she was a nobody, she can't sing for a nickel) would never have seen the fame they would know without the top 40 stations pushing her as hard as they did.

So go ahead, bite off the hand that helps feed you. It will only serve to prove that while the Internet is a powerful media, its not the only one, and for new and upcoming artists, the radio waves are still a powerful source. Without them, you lose a considerable audience.
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+1, I personally think this will be a good thing and get rid of many of the crap artists that the radio stations push so hard. Let them fall down and crumble so we can get more good music out there.
 
Zellio2010, please do not confuse liberals with facts and logic. It hurts their feelings. :p
I'm also confident that facts and logic contribute to global warming, so there may be some new legislation from the current administration (i mean SEIU) that will help 'curb' that problem.

What will be awesome about this hypothetical bill is that it will cost us $10 Trillion over 3 years but at the same time, is deficit neutral, and all persons that ride unicorns to work get a tax credit that equals the amount of fairy dust they used the previous year.
 
Very little that BHO does surprises me anymore. It's just 1 disappointment after another. Enough said.
 
This unfortunately is not a right or left thing. The longer people keep thinking that their guy is right problems such as these will continue in perpetuity. This is corporatism at work.
 
Derfman said:
And your opinion on lobbying for laws and things such as this? If I recall lobbyist have had the ear of both conservatives and liberals... Another point of Capitalism at it's finest...
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Again, as another poster touched on, this has nothing to do with Capitalism. closer to Cronyism that Capitalism.

If a group of socialist reformers organize and send a lobbyist to Washington to save the gay baby whales for jesus, is it Capitalism?

If a group of gun owners pay a lobbyist to protect a constitional right for the people, is it Socialism?

Sorry, to much allergy meds, I'll go to sleep now.
 
Kac77 has it right. Democrats were just the first to pick up the phone. The sad part is they both compete to get the Riaa money to screw us over.
 
This article is misleading, and probably intentionally. It says "royalty fee to singers". We all know where the money is really going.
 
I'd be for the measure only if it meant ClearChannel would go belly up.

Unfortunately it problably means everyone BUT ClearChannel would go down.

Either way don't care, radio blows ass.
 
I'm on a Mexican Radio.

With the airwaves clear US of radio stations we should be able to pick up some decent skip from other countries on the AM side.
 
This is bullshit. I'm all for musicians getting more compensation, but the fact is that the artists will probably never see a cent of this new revenue stream, as it will all go to the RIAA. I think radio stations already do enough as it is. They are, in all actuality, advertising for the artists and the record companies.
 
as long as there are money grubbing 'artists' that would sell their left nut to get 15 minutes of fame, riaa will have great power.
 
While I may not support this legislation, I believe the money in this case actually will go to the performers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the RIAA even involved here (other than lobbying)?
 
I do continue to get a kick out of the idealists in here who think this country isn’t good because it’s not perfect.

You are all correct of course, it’s not perfect. Wasn’t perfect from day one, won’t be perfect anytime soon.

I say screw it, we all fucked up. Yup, we really did. But the good news is it might not be too late. First we call the Queen and then get Gordy Brown on the phone and ask for forgiveness. We outright admit that for the past 230 years we have screwed the pooch and ask them to please, oh please, take us back. We promise to be good this time....

That should fix everything right?
 
HOCP4ME said:
While I may not support this legislation, I believe the money in this case actually will go to the performers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the RIAA even involved here (other than lobbying)?
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How do we handle all the dead composers and artists? It always bothered me Public Radio always plays classical music with no thought to the likes of Beethoven or Bach etc., who is paying the estates of their families?
 
jimmyb said:
The compositional copyrights on those have long since expired.
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What you probably meant to say was that music has entered the public domain.

Meantime, turn that sarcasm detector up, just a tad;)
 
BillR said:
How do we handle all the dead composers and artists? It always bothered me Public Radio always plays classical music with no thought to the likes of Beethoven or Bach etc., who is paying the estates of their families?
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You bring up a good point and I don't disagree with you; I just noticed that everyone is scapegoating the RIAA when the RIAA isn't going to get any money from this.
 
HOCP4ME said:
You bring up a good point and I don't disagree with you; I just noticed that everyone is scapegoating the RIAA when the RIAA isn't going to get any money from this.
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Well, as I said, it was a bit of sarcasm. On the other side if you look deep enough the extra monies that will be paid, and trust me, they will be paid will go straight to the gumment. You have no less than three of the administration’s lackeys running the FCC; no way the gumment is going to pass up adding more taxes.

Probably should call it a Value added tax…You know, like our mother country;)
 
got make good on all the campaign donations some how
called this MONTHS ago
 
Derfman said:
But how did the RIAA get all this money to have such an influence on the government?... Capitalism...
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then they dont need a bail out do they
RIAA and MPAA been building this warchest for the last few decades
 
I have no problem with broadcast radio having to pay fees especially since the internet stations are doing it, and if performers are going to get their cut I'm good with it.

Something tells me Clear Channel isn't going away new fees or not.

Some smaller top 40 stations probably won't make it through the cut but oh well they have been making money for years using others material and if there is a better compensation formula for the performers and the writers then that is progress I suppose.
 
I'm going to hop on the soapbox for the moment. I work for a LOCALLY owned group of radio stations in my town. We multitasking jobs and I am the program director of two station (#1 and #2 btw :)). I am also the IT manager fir the building.

I am pretty high up in the chain and great friends with my gm/owner. I see our financials every month. Now, we pay a ton of money to ASCAP, BMI, & SESAC. Secondly, we help sell alot of music. Without radio play, alot of artist would net sell what they do. With that said, people make crap cd's now. Two to five good tracks on each. Artists don't get nearly enough from sales. Labels get it.

If this bill passes, first you will see alot of music stations in formats that generate little profit flip to talk. Secondly, I would imagine radio owners will create a group of labels that will exempt themselves from fees and artists will not get played if they aren't on said label. That might be a good thing, because then they could make some money. Or the artist could have no label and release on their own, keeping all the money and getting radio play.

We are a small group and I watched alot of people lose there jobs and take pay cuts last year just so we could stay afloat. If I could show you what we already pay, you might be more sympathetic to radio.
 
Please excuse my typos above... The iphone keyboard plus a 2.5 year old on my lap = spelling errors... :)
 
Derfman said:
And your opinion on lobbying for laws and things such as this? If I recall lobbyist have had the ear of both conservatives and liberals... Another point of Capitalism at it's finest...
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This is but an aspect of capitalism. If you started your own lobbying group, raised enough money to support it, and used that money to lobby for a law or for your own interests to get heard before others, then do you think that is a matter of fairness or a matter of free speech? As long as money equals free speech, them it will also equate to a level of free market capitalism. You are free to choose how you spend your money and for right now, free to choose how to earn it.
 
Maybe I am obtuse, but why can't broadcasters just bring in artists without labels or from small labels? Once they produce the song in their studios, they could play it any number of times, correct? And they would have digital distribution, they could compile all the hits together for a month or something, and it would all be in-house.

I might listen to The Current too much, a public radio station with the newest independent music and a large classic catalog.

Obama is in the middle of the Democratic party, a center-right party by world standards. All he did was oppose invading Iraq in a timely manner, basically. He abides by his FISA immunity vote.
 
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