Cops Blame Computer Glitch for 50 Raids on Elderly Couple

spinelli said:
What does that even mean? Zero Tolerance rules are pretty fucking horrible for just about any reason they are implemented but how would you even implement it here? Fire the cops who did the raids? Create a zero tolerance rule that says...'any programmer who mistakenly transposes numbers or has a typo or does anything else that results in an incorrect address being added into the system during a database test will be fired'.....Seems pretty silly doesn't it?

I will of course agree that the situation should have been handled much sooner however, like sometime in 2002 would have been peachy.

Zero Tolerance is such a bullshit policy for anything and it's sad that it has become a buzzword.
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Specifically whose fault is it in this situation?
I don't know.
The article wasn't real heavy in the fact department, nor do I know the SOP for planning a raid,
but after 8 years there's probably plenty of blame to go around.

"Zero tolerance" was the wrong phrase as I completely agree that it causes nothing but problems.
However, if it can be proven that an officers negligence resulted in a wrong address raid then yes, they need to lose their job.
A police department is suppose to protect and serve, not waste the taxpayer's money or innocent peoples time with stuff like this.

Unfortunately this sort of thing happens far too often.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/#
Ok, not the 50 times at one address but you get my point. :p
Luckily these people were never on the receiving end of a no-knock raid.
 
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I'll start with the dick-kicking on Monday.
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roflmao - best analogy ever - and it still didn't get through his head
 
How you you like to be the cop saying to the sarge, this BS, we have done this 25 times and found nothing.
 
bicycle_wreck said:
Hmm. Read the article?

If I kicked you in the dick once, and apologized, maybe we could work it out without much additional fuss. If I kicked you in the dick 50 times since 2002, you might get frustrated with my shenanigans.
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Yea that is going in my signature. That is the greatest analogy ever. Yea, they are lucky that old dude wasn't me. I would have started leaving some surprises for their ass after about indecent twenty.
 
bicycle_wreck said:
Hmm. Read the article?

If I kicked you in the dick once, and apologized, maybe we could work it out without much additional fuss. If I kicked you in the dick 50 times since 2002, you might get frustrated with my shenanigans.
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QFTW!:D:D:D

bigpimpatl said:
lol I just had to read NYPD to figure out the rest of the story
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New York, home of the dumbest police in America . .. .

WinkyDaRabidElf said:
There needs to be a "zero tolerance" policy for wrong address raids.
The city's lucky no one got shot.
0_o
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They would have to be able to shoot straight first.
 
Damn no edit >_<" also this begs the question how dumb are the judges approving the warrants, as well as the actual cops conducting the raids, I can't believe that 50 different raids were done on this one house and every time it was a different set of people especially considering that some of the people they were looking for were "alleged murderers to robbers to rogue cops" I doubt all of these "raids" were done by your average detective, I'm sure at least half a dozen times they had armed and trained people banging on their door and sweeping their house and terrorizing this couple.

NYPD FTL!
 
That apology should have been made publicly, say on the evening news. That way the neighborhood would know exactly what had happened & help restore the couple's dignity and clear up all misgivings the neighborhood may have about them after seeing raid after raid over 8 years.

GROVEL!!! m(_ _)m GROVEL!!!
 
Wow that would have been 50 dogs of mine they would have murdered. Guaranteed first thing they would do after entering the door..
 
bacon said:
Wow that would have been 50 dogs of mine they would have murdered. Guaranteed first thing they would do after entering the door..
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You know, I just thought of that. I tend to keep more than one. I have three amigos right now. I know one of them, for sure, they would have to kill. She does not like strangers. A Lab/Shar pei mix that I got from the pound. Sweet as can be.. If I let you in.:eek:
 
You'd think common sense would have kicked in at some point over at the police department(s).
 
BallerX said:
You know, I just thought of that. I tend to keep more than one. I have three amigos right now. I know one of them, for sure, they would have to kill. She does not like strangers. A Lab/Shar pei mix that I got from the pound. Sweet as can be.. If I let you in.:eek:
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That wouldn't have been a problem then as the cops had to be let in every time.
 
tjwenger said:
Really? Why does everyone fall back on this? I mean if the guy had a legit heart attack or the couple was actually detained maybe. But It was a mistake. They happen. Why get lawyers involved, when a the good old face to face apology was good enough?

America's new motto : Just sue them.

Ridiculous.
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Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But somewhere you just completely derailed. :confused:
/me thinks bicycle_wreck has your best interests at heart. :p

bicycle_wreck said:
Hmm. Read the article?

If I kicked you in the dick once, and apologized, maybe we could work it out without much additional fuss. If I kicked you in the dick 50 times since 2002, you might get frustrated with my shenanigans.
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ROFL

Konig-Wolf said:
The police chief did come and apologize in person. He also said that he implemented a check system to be sure it wouldn't happen again. As long as that remains the case, I don't think they need to sue.
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MajorDomo said:
....and don't forget, they also brought a cheesecake :p
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...Wonder if it was New York Style... *chuckles*
 
One raid by mistake is too many. Fifty raids? I'm surprised neither of them has had a heart attack by now. Part of the problem is there are WAY TOO many SWAT teams in this country, and they train and train and want to get some real live action. Which is why we have all these 3 in the morning "dynamic" raids instead of normal arrests. The little podunk village on a lake near my house actually has a SWAT team with all the equipment. They "practice" on an abandoned house they took over. Ridiculous, and I'm normally a law and order guy. Plus, in the age of Google maps and such, how do you get a wrong address, or keep going to the wrong house 50 times?!
 
delahaya said:
One raid by mistake is too many. Fifty raids? I'm surprised neither of them has had a heart attack by now. Part of the problem is there are WAY TOO many SWAT teams in this country, and they train and train and want to get some real live action. Which is why we have all these 3 in the morning "dynamic" raids instead of normal arrests. The little podunk village on a lake near my house actually has a SWAT team with all the equipment. They "practice" on an abandoned house they took over. Ridiculous, and I'm normally a law and order guy. Plus, in the age of Google maps and such, how do you get a wrong address, or keep going to the wrong house 50 times?!
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Read the article perhaps? The address was erroneously entered into the system as part of some sort of test iirc. The address kept cropping up for whatever reason, maybe as some sort of a default, I have no idea.

I'll agree with you that there are likely a huge number of towns/municipalities that have SWAT teams who maybe should not but it's likely all political. What if something does happen in your podunk little town, what do you do? Would you want Barney Fife responding or maybe somebody with better training and better gear?

Also, would you really want the police relying on things like Google Maps or whatnot? Just give that some thought.
 
Meh, it's a good chance to get some extra retirement cash. If my house was raided even once I'd take it straight to the media and the supreme court.
 
shuang said:
Meh, it's a good chance to get some extra retirement cash. If my house was raided even once I'd take it straight to the media and the supreme court.
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It would not get as far as the Supreme Court. It'd be a fairly basic civil case I'd imagine...you know the kind...the kind where some twat (and some twat's lawyers) makes millions of taxpayer dollars because of a fairly reasonable mistake....

After 50 times it is not so reasonable however...
 
Everyone in this thread that doesn't think a lawsuit is an option, with the information given, needs to re-examine their values. If my house was raided once, then twice, then three-----FIFTY times. I would be pissed beyond belief and want 100 grand for every time they entered wrongfully.
 
50 raids in 8 years. Now how many raids in total do the NYPD accomplish in 8 years? Which precinct did each raid? Which shifts? I can see the police not knowing they are coming to the house again for a completely different raid, I just don't see why it took so long to fix the problem.
 
bicycle_wreck said:
Hmm. Read the article?

If I kicked you in the dick once, and apologized, maybe we could work it out without much additional fuss. If I kicked you in the dick 50 times since 2002, you might get frustrated with my shenanigans......... I'll start with the dick-kicking on Monday.
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I'll start with the dick-kicking on Monday.
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LOL! :D Analogy win! Oh man... this stuff really livened up my day! If there is a post to be sig'ed here on [H], then THIS would be "the one" !!!! I tip my hat off to your sir!



@tjwenger Yes, just resorting to lawsuit only hurts other parties, especially taxpayers money is lost to the individuals doing the sueing, but it's part of our justice system. You as well as anyone else has rights to also sue. Also, if there were no lawsuits or lessened number of lawesuits, that would put a lot of lawyers out of business ^^ I would understand if the NYPD made a mistake a couple times, but even just doing half of those raids would be an annoyance, a "waste of taxpayers' money", wouldn't you think? Especially if nothing has been done after the first 10. And it's an elder couple! Are they going to have to go through suffering more of this crap? Should we just let the NYPD slide without even one lawsuit? So should we wait for the NYPD to cause such an elderly couple a heart attack before a lawsuit is really called for? I wonder what would happen if that elderly couple happened to be your parents, and one of them did end up dying of a heart attack after the 50+ times of getting the bejesus scared out of them or perhaps psychological trauma (that's if Alzheimers doesn't get to them first). Now what if it wasn't some elderly couple, but a young couple? Perhaps they would've already sued the NYPD after the first 5 raids ^^
 
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