HP ZR24w

I'd say not really. I've used both 2209wa and ea231wmi E-IPS panels and they don't look nearly as good as a 20wmgx2 H-IPS or older Apple Cinema Display or old HP IPS.

Nope. Its the same thing. I've had the Dell U2410 H-IPS and now the EA231 E-IPS.

If anything the E-IPS panel is actually better than the H-IPS on the Dell.

More relevant would be comparing the coating on the screen. 20wmgx2 by all reports has a fine coating.

Anywho u can't compare a premium monitor such as the 20wmgx2 which used to sell for $600 + (20 inch monitor remember) to
$300 EA231 or the Dell and make valid comparisons.

Of course the 20wmgx2 is going to look better for that price! ( and it came with a AS-IPS panel (again supposedly superior) not H-IPS)
 
I am debating between the Dell 2209WA, HP ZR22W and NEC NE231WMI. Aside from price is one better than the other?
 
Nope. Its the same thing. I've had the Dell U2410 H-IPS and now the EA231 E-IPS.

E-IPS is not the same as regular IPS. You just think it is because you're comparing a crappy monitor (Dell U2410 wide gamut) with another crappy monitor (the ea231wmi).

Both the Dell 2209wa and NEC ea231wmi look like poop straight out of the box at default settings. After optimizing the E-IPS panel settings, they still don't look nearly as good as an old 20wmgx2, Apple Cinema Display, or HP IPS *AT DEFAULT SETTINGS* straight out of the box.
 
E-IPS is not the same as regular IPS. You just think it is because you're comparing a crappy monitor (Dell U2410 wide gamut) with another crappy monitor (the ea231wmi).

Both the Dell 2209wa and NEC ea231wmi look like poop straight out of the box at default settings. After optimizing the E-IPS panel settings, they still don't look nearly as good as an old 20wmgx2, Apple Cinema Display, or HP IPS *AT DEFAULT SETTINGS* straight out of the box.

i'm glad you took the time to type all of those fancy words and acronyms but the fact is that e-ips and h-ips have the same pixel structure and are essentially the exact same thing :)

e-ips is h-ips

one more time

e-ips is h-ips
 
is this monitor going to be one of the best on the market when it comes out? how will it fair for online gaming? I'm want to replace my 17" crt right now that I am using
 
E-IPS is not the same as regular IPS. You just think it is because you're comparing a crappy monitor (Dell U2410 wide gamut) with another crappy monitor (the ea231wmi).

Both the Dell 2209wa and NEC ea231wmi look like poop straight out of the box at default settings. After optimizing the E-IPS panel settings, they still don't look nearly as good as an old 20wmgx2, Apple Cinema Display, or HP IPS *AT DEFAULT SETTINGS* straight out of the box.

Sounds like someone who is in denial and believes in vapor-ware. Biggest differences you detect with the naked eye are mfg related (uneven lighting from the back-light, bleeding in the edges, anti-glare coating) and whether it has an A-TW polarizer. If you made all those things equal, the technology itself, e-ips vs h-ips, would be indiscernible by the naked eye.
 
I don't think there are a lot of IPS monitors with ATW Polarizers. And the main thing that is supposed to do is neutralize the sparkle effect that is the IPS Achilles heel. The monitors that do have this feature are generally VERY expensive. Since most IPS panels don't have the polarizer they share the same weakness.

However the coatings used for the panels can be quite different. The super aggressive coating on the Dell U2410 creates a 'grainy' effect that is super annoying for some users. This is why some people prefer the NEC EA231wmi even though it has an inch less viewing space and only 1080p resolution.

It's hard to tell where the HP ZR24W will turn out. I DOUBT that it will have a polarizer if it is supposed to retail for $425. I think what will determine its success is the coating chosen for the monitor. If it doesn't have an overly aggressive coating and shows no graininess, a lot of people will be flocking to this monitor imo. The ergonomics also look good from the spec sheet. I have no idea what H2-IPS means. 2nd generation H IPS?
 
I don't think there are a lot of IPS monitors with ATW Polarizers. And the main thing that is supposed to do is neutralize the sparkle effect that is the IPS Achilles heel. The monitors that do have this feature are generally VERY expensive. Since most IPS panels don't have the polarizer they share the same weakness.

However the coatings used for the panels can be quite different. The super aggressive coating on the Dell U2410 creates a 'grainy' effect that is super annoying for some users. This is why some people prefer the NEC EA231wmi even though it has an inch less viewing space and only 1080p resolution.

It's hard to tell where the HP ZR24W will turn out. I DOUBT that it will have a polarizer if it is supposed to retail for $425. I think what will determine its success is the coating chosen for the monitor. If it doesn't have an overly aggressive coating and shows no graininess, a lot of people will be flocking to this monitor imo. The ergonomics also look good from the spec sheet. I have no idea what H2-IPS means. 2nd generation H IPS?


To me the biggest problem of U2410 is the annoying tinting issues. If this HP doesn't have it, im going for it.
 
Sounds like someone who is in denial and believes in vapor-ware. Biggest differences you detect with the naked eye are mfg related (uneven lighting from the back-light, bleeding in the edges, anti-glare coating) and whether it has an A-TW polarizer. If you made all those things equal, the technology itself, e-ips vs h-ips, would be indiscernible by the naked eye.

That was my point. E-IPS is a synonym for "WE CUT CORNERS EVERYWHERE WE COULD AND THE MONITOR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE CRAP COMPARED TO A NORMAL IPS THAT YOU COULD BUY 5 YEARS AGO, WE ALSO THREW IN A TERRIBLE SCREEN COATING FOR NO REASON THAT DOESN'T SAVE MONEY BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA JUST FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES"
 
But it doesn't look like crap compared to a "normal" IPS. You keep spewing this nonsense about how e-IPS is worse when nothing has really changed.

The coating on matte IPS panels has always been aggressive except on the first-generation H-IPS panels. I don't know why they went back to the aggressive coating, but older IPS panels were just as bad. You keep comparing these new monitors to the NEC 20WMGX2. A matte panel will never look the same as a glossy panel. That's the biggest difference you're seeing.

The glow has always been there except for the few monitors with the A-TW filter. The only difference is the glow is now colorless. Older IPS panels like the one in the NEC 20WMGX2 had a gold/copper glow at slight angles and purple glow at extreme angles. Now it's white instead. The intensity is still the same, but the impact is less due to the higher contrast of newer panels.

You mentioned colors and gamma in another thread. Most IPS monitors I've tried are too green out of the box with a funky gamma curve that washes out the colors a bit. Again, nothing has changed. I still see this funky gamma curve with too much green popping up in newer monitors, but LG panels vary a bit from unit to unit. Sometimes the white point is not as green, and sometimes the gamma doesn't wash out the colors as much. None of the monitors you've mentioned are factory calibrated, so what you get is pretty random. Maybe your 20WMGX2 happens to have a perfect white point and gamma curve, but that's more luck than anything. In fact, the NEC 20WMGX2 is what made me buy a calibrator in the first place because I couldn't get the colors to look quite right no matter what I tried. The only IPS monitors I've seen with good colors out of the box are the more expensive factory-calibrated ones like the NEC LCD2490WUXi (and the LCD2690WUXi when manually set to 6500K). The new EIZO monitors are probably good too since those are factory calibrated.

The only thing I've seen get worse is color uniformity. Color uniformity has never been perfect with LCD monitors, but many people have been complaining about red/green and blue/yellow tints lately. I wouldn't be surprised if this new HP has the same problem. In fact, I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

I've seen a couple of improvements with e-IPS panels. Monitors with e-IPS panels can go down to a lower brightness and are more energy efficient. That's probably what the e stands for, "eco" IPS, as in eco-friendly. Older IPS panels had super bright backlights that used a lot of energy, and due to the increased aperture ratio of H-IPS panels, you couldn't even turn down the brightness to a reasonable level on the first-generation H-IPS panels. That's no longer a problem with e-IPS panels, and not having to use super bright backlights reduces the cost.

Another thing that has improved is the contrast, although the improvement is small. The contrast still sucks compared to PVA panels, especially with the glow. I don't know why they won't use the A-TW filter anymore.

I've also seen two e-IPS monitors that can do higher refresh rates without skipping frames, although that has more to do with the electronics controlling the panel than the panel itself. The Dell can do 76 Hz, and the NEC EA231WMi can do 83 Hz.

Another thing that has improved is price. IPS panels are finally becoming affordable, although they are still more expensive than TN.

Now where are the 120 Hz LED backlit IPS monitors? ;)
 
I have no idea what H2-IPS means. 2nd generation H IPS?
The main difference appears to be that it requires less power than the previous generation of IPS panels. Whether anything else will result from these changes remains to be seen..

As for E-IPS vs H-IPS, as far as I'm aware, the main difference is that the E-IPS panel is structured so that it allows more light through more easily. This then allows manufacturers to use a cheaper backlight which results in cost savings. As for subjective picture quality I haven't done a side by side comparison, but I haven't heard anything which suggests significant differences in terms of picture quality..
 
The Dell u2410 was on for $419 CDN yesterday... I will be pissed if this monitor sucks.
 
You know, I keep seeing some people complain about the anti-glare coating on these screens and that makes me a bit curious, since I am keeping my eye out for a new monitor. How do these new IPS panels (U2410, 2209WA, EA231WMi) compare to the AG coating on the 215TW? Has anyone seen both? Honestly, I probably won't care at all about the coating on any of these screens if they are comparable to the 215TW. I just simply haven't used many different models, so I don't know if the AG coating on this Samsung is considered to be aggressive or not. I'm definitely interested in this ZR24w as well, and I may or may not buy a new monitor before this one is out. If I haven't by the time this is released, well then I'll have to scope this out first.
 
I'd say not really. I've used both 2209wa and ea231wmi E-IPS panels and they don't look nearly as good as a 20wmgx2 H-IPS or older Apple Cinema Display or old HP IPS
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same here i have 2 20wmgx2 what for backup just in case cuase man has there been a halt on nice screens I tried all of the above what a let down really Im getting tired of sending screens back hope HP ZR24w is the answer
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Makes me think about what I'll do if my 20WMGX2 craps out. I'll have to go matte. Yikes.
 
Wow, lots of bad info bieng spewed out here.

eIPS is just a cheaper manufacturing techinique for H-IPS film assembly, very similar to TN techniques. Combine that with a lower power backlight, and you get eIPS panels. The H-IPS film is identicle to previous generation, except for a wider aperature to allow use of lower backlighting, and in turn with a different polarizer and AG coating process. I can imagine there are other cost cutting features in the electronics for the new models as well, as a way to further increase viability in todays marketplace.
 
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A few of the smaller shops have started listing it here in Sweden (none of the "Big" shops yet) and they are most saying 2010-04-19 but we'll see how accurate this actually is :p Obviously there are none in storage yet but I guess this is some kind of indication of when they will be out that may or may not be accurate.
 
A few of the smaller shops have started listing it here in Sweden (none of the "Big" shops yet) and they are most saying 2010-04-19 but we'll see how accurate this actually is :p Obviously there are none in storage yet but I guess this is some kind of indication of when they will be out that may or may not be accurate.

Just a link to some of the Swedies shop: http://www.prisjakt.nu/search.php?query=hp+zr24w

cheers all
 
Just a link to some of the Swedies shop: http://www.prisjakt.nu/search.php?query=hp+zr24w

cheers all

The cheapest price there is 3701 swedish krona I am assuming, which is ~525 USD. Hopefully it is cheaper in the US and hits that 425 mark.

For comparison the Dell 2209WA has about a 50$ markup, and the U2410 a 100$ markup. I would expect the ZR24W to fall inbetween those two, so maybe looking at more of a 450-475$ price.
 
Electronics are quite expensive here so if those prices are anywhere near accurate (I wouldn't trust them that much as those shops aren't exactly the most reputable as far as I know) then they will probably be quite a bit cheaper in the US, for example as I said earlier in this thread the u2410 would cost 4995 SEK + shipping which translates to around $715 :p
 
Makes me think about what I'll do if my 20WMGX2 craps out. I'll have to go matte. Yikes.

Thought about it after using the new NEC 23 sent the nec back and bought a referb 20WMGX2 from nec ... for now all is good but id really like something a bit bigger
 
looks like i will have to wait on the Dell U2410 and see what the zr24w has to offer...since im in now rush right now to buy a new monitor yet... i want two of these already lol i hope this will be issue free compared to the Dell U2410

also..anyone know how much these will weight? and will these have vesa mounts
 
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LG IPS evolving technology

Horizontal IPS H-IPS 2007 Improves contrast ratio by twisting electrode plane layout. Also introduces an optional Advanced True White polarizing film from NEC, to make white look more natural. This is used in professional/photography LCDs.

Enhanced IPS E-IPS 2009 Wider aperture for light transmission, enabling the use of lower-power, cheaper backlights. Improves diagonal viewing angle and further reduce response time to 5ms.
 
Wow, your bike can do Eyefinity?!

Actually, real-world technology (TM) enables fully surrounding field of view with true stereoscopic 3D. You don't even need to wear 3D glasses. I wish i could afford to go outdoors and experience this for myself.

Anyhow. WTH is with HP? Get this thing out the door already. I'm totally about to buy 3 U2410's and say F' the native sRGB.

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Alright, I've calmed down. Will wait for ZR24W >:mad:
 
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Actually, real-world technology (TM) enables fully surrounding field of view with true stereoscopic 3D. You don't even need to wear 3D glasses. I wish i could afford to go outdoors and experience this for myself.

Anyhow. WTH is with HP? Get this thing out the door already. I'm totally about to buy 3 U2410's and say F' the native sRGB.

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Alright, I've calmed down. Will wait for ZR24W >:mad:
That might be something you'll regret for the next couple of windows OS generations, though :/
 
Actually, real-world technology (TM) enables fully surrounding field of view with true stereoscopic 3D. You don't even need to wear 3D glasses. I wish i could afford to go outdoors and experience this for myself.

I call shenanigans. You couldn't even power that with a 4 quad-core CPU system with a rack full of video cards and 64GB RAM.

Anyhow. WTH is with HP? Get this thing out the door already. I'm totally about to buy 3 U2410's and say F' the native sRGB.

Seems like there's lots of quality control issues with the U2410. Otherwise it would be the perfect choice at its size and pricepoint.
 
Actually, real-world technology (TM) enables fully surrounding field of view with true stereoscopic 3D. You don't even need to wear 3D glasses. I wish i could afford to go outdoors and experience this for myself.

I lolled. Perhaps I should be thanking HP though, now instead of playing video games on an awesome 1500$ eyefinity setup I will be getting exercise on an awesome $1500 bike setup :)
 
I call shenanigans. You couldn't even power that with a 4 quad-core CPU system with a rack full of video cards and 64GB RAM.

Of course you can't power it with that pathetic system. Just look at the power supply for the one actually powering real-world technology (TM) - its a 24/7 nuclear fusion reactor with a mass of 1.9891 ×10^30 KG!!!

Seems like there's lots of quality control issues with the U2410. Otherwise it would be the perfect choice at its size and pricepoint.

I've got 3 U2410s (got tired of waiting for the ZR24w) and I couldn't be happier. I love 'em. Windows 7 is also color aware.
 
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