SemiAccurate gets some GTX480 scores

Yeah right, $299 on constrained 40nm supply = out of stock forever. The only way I see this making sense is if GTX 470 is a 12 SM part with a $400 GTX 480 having 14 and the GTX 490 or whatever being released in summer with all 16 SM's enabled for $500+.
 
So what were the final specs then for the 470/480/490?
What's the difference? I tried going back thru the thread but all I've gotten in the last 5 pages were AMD fanboys fighting with nV fanboys
anyone just have some info without all the bickering?

I'd dig more, but I'm mobile and tired of reading a flame war
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Vaulter98c said:
So what were the final specs then for the 470/480/490?
What's the difference? I tried going back thru the thread but all I've gotten in the last 5 pages were AMD fanboys fighting with nV fanboys
anyone just have some info without all the bickering?

I'd dig more, but I'm mobile and tired of reading a flame war
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I don't think there's any 490 yet. AFAIK, we'll be seeing 480 and 470 only

If nVidia follows its previous naming convention, my guess is that the 9 will be used for dual GPU cards... ATI is doing that anyway, so I'd expect nVidia to follow

480 should be their flagship single GPU card
 
So 512 shaders on 480, 448 on the 470?
What about memory? I know it's ddr5

thanks guys for the straight answers not covered In fanboys crap
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IIRC same speed of memory and similar scalling with regards to SP as GTX 2xx series had.

Hmm i wonder when they release 256 SP part.
 
$299 ? really ? I would then assume $399-$430 for a 480

Nobody's mentioned the obvious here?
I hate for this to be true. That means they know performance will not be that great.


Btw never heard of 490 ever mentioned? Inquiring minds want to know :)
 
kadozer said:
$299 ? really ? I would then assume $399-$430 for a 480

Nobody's mentioned the obvious here?
I hate for this to be true. That means they know performance will not be that great.
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Which gives ATI an opportunity to drop the hammer when this is released by dropping their prices a notch.

Both sides win(consumer-wise at least)
 
kadozer said:
Charlie was right about the bad A1 and A2 yield issues. http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-470-480/
They are now on revision A3

Yet this will be ignored haha.
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Charlie has good sources for things that have already happened. That's for sure. But he's just a middle man passing on info. Where he falls flat on his face is in his interpretation of technical data and predictions for the future. Yields, bumpgate - all the stuff he's right on is just second hand info he passes on to us. Being "right" requires a bit more than that - i.e. some sort of personal input on his part. Anytime he tries to do this - G80 vs R600, GT200 vs RV770 he comes up empty.
 
kadozer said:
Charlie was right about the bad A1 and A2 yield issues. http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-470-480/
They are now on revision A3

Yet this will be ignored haha.
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Looks like charlie was Semi-Accurate on his reports.

But I trust GURU3d over bluestorm and xman.

Guess im more shocked that people wont get cards until after cebit...

BC2 a TWIMTBP game being released next tuesday with no Nvidia DX11 card....WOW I did not expect this.
 
kadozer said:
Charlie was right about the bad A1 and A2 yield issues. http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-470-480/
They are now on revision A3

Yet this will be ignored haha.
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DASHlT said:
Looks like charlie was Semi-Accurate on his reports.

But I trust GURU3d over bluestorm and xman.

Guess im more shocked that people wont get cards until after cebit...

BC2 a TWIMTBP game being released next tuesday with no Nvidia DX11 card....WOW I did not expect this.
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Actually he was wrong.. chip revisions don't just happen for yields ;)
 
So yeah I went through the Guru 3d article and he makes a few mentions to performance numbers he knows and how he's not going to mention them. Maybe he's holding em to keep the inevitable explosion of "Mr C was right/wrong!" from happening.

Anyway, I hope SOMEONE puts out some performance numbers that we won't immediately second guess before the release date hits. Looking at how all this turned out and the information we have, the cards are going to be hard to get ahold of initially. The early adopters are going to need something to go on before making the plunge.

Besides that I got my money saved and am waiting for the signal to either get an 5870/50 or GTX 470/80.
 
DASHlT said:
BC2 a TWIMTBP game being released next tuesday with no Nvidia DX11 card....WOW I did not expect this.
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BC2 is a DX10 game with DX11 used for a little optimization here and there. The lack of DX11 won't hurt them but the lack of general performance compared to the 5xxx series could.
 
BlueStorm said:
Actually he was wrong.. chip revisions don't just happen for yields ;)
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He was damn close on Speeds on the GPU's

Which you said were (totally wrong)

He was Semi-accurate. Which I stated before he is about 30% right. Which in this instance he was.
 
DASHlT said:
He was damn close on Speeds on the GPU's

Which you said were (totally wrong)

He was Semi-accurate. Which I stated before he is about 30% right. Which in this instance he was.
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He is wrong.. that's the same as totally wrong. So by your standards, even though the Guru3d quoted clocks are about the 470 (not the 480).. as long as *some* fermi based GPU is in the ballpark of Charlies guess, he's automatically right, right?

He was obviously talking about the top end SKU, which he's very wrong on. No one has guaranteed Guru is right either :)

It seems pretty easy to guess random clocks then cherry pick the GPU you were referring to after the fact.
 
trinibwoy said:
BC2 is a DX10 game with DX11 used for a little optimization here and there. The lack of DX11 won't hurt them but the lack of general performance compared to the 5xxx series could.
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It is still DX11, and will be plastered on the box DX11.

You cannot tell me Nvidia wont take advantage of BC2 being DX11 once Fermi comes out?

It still uses DX11, and the lil optimizations wont work on DX10 cards that are out for Nvidia.

Either way DX11 might be useless, but when it comes to Marketing it looks like ATI has the upper hand on one of the most Anticipated titles on the year.

Still I hope Fermi is good and drives prices down :) 2 5870 2gig running 5 monitors is a fuckin dream!
 
BlueStorm said:
He is wrong.. that's the same as totally wrong. So by your standards, even though the Guru3d quoted clocks are about the 470.. as long as *some* fermi based GPU is in the ballpark of Charlies guess, he's automatically right, right?

He was obviously talking about the top end SKU, which he's very wrong on. No one has guaranteed Guru is right either :)
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Guru3d is way more reliable then you or Charlie.

I believe there clocks and there knowledge over yours or Charlies
 
DASHlT said:
He was damn close on Speeds on the GPU's
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How do you know that? First of all Charlie was referring to 1/2 hot clock of the fastest card. Guru3D was referring to some clock of the 470, which could very well be the ROP clock since that's the old "core" clock.

DASHlT said:
It is still DX11, and will be plastered on the box DX11.
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No doubt and it will be a marketing win for AMD for at least a month or so. DX11 support isn't going to be the deciding factor though since there's no eye candy associated with it. It's gonna come down to performance and whether or not DX10 cards can't handle it.
 
trinibwoy said:
How do you know that? First of all Charlie was referring to 1/2 hot clock of the fastest card. Guru3D was referring to some clock of the 470, which could very well be the ROP clock since that's the old "core" clock.



No doubt and it will be a marketing win for AMD for at least a month or so. DX11 support isn't going to be the deciding factor though since there's no eye candy associated with it. It's gonna come down to performance and whether or not DX10 cards can't handle it.
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True, but Features/performance is what sells video cards.

DX11 3D surround Gaming and Multi-monitor gaming is going to be a HUGE PR for nvidia. Eventhough DX11 means little right now.

And he was Semi-right on the clocks, Like I said he is about 30% correct...

Either way Guru3d > charlie, bluestorm, Xman25
 
DASHlT said:
He was damn close on Speeds on the GPU's

Which you said were (totally wrong)

He was Semi-accurate. Which I stated before he is about 30% right. Which in this instance he was.
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Actually, in terms of the GTX480, he isn't even close. He claims 600-625 half and 1200-150 hotclock. Not! GTX 480, as I've said before will be 625-650 core(this is where the ROPs still are) and 1400-1500 Shader or hotclock. Which puts everything else at 700-750 half.
 
XMAN245 said:
Actually, in terms of the GTX480, he isn't even close. He claims 600-625 half and 1200-150 hotclock. Not! GTX 480, as I've said before will be 625-650 core(this is where the ROPs still are) and 1400-1500 Shader or hotclock. Which puts everything else at 700-750 half.
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Still semi-accurate compared you are Inside sources bro.

Like I said guru3d > Charlie you and Bluestorm
 
All he had to say is it had a clock to be considered correct for many. ;)
 
DeadSkull said:
Have you guys seen this yet?



http://www.tweaktown.com/news/14302..._price_psu_requirements_and_more/ind ex.html


Evasive maneuvers engaged...

Brace for impact...

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He also feels there may be an availability issue on the horizon with these cards due to the 1 year warranty that NVIDIA gives to its AIBs as opposed to a lot of the AMD cards on the market with 2 year warranties. This will make NV partners reluctant to carry a lot of stock of the cards as they know they'll need to offer 2 year warranties to stay competitive, but have fear of a lot of dead ones coming back to haunt them after the 1 year NV covered warranty period is up.
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If Bluestorm is closer to reality than CD, I'm going to take an opportunity to point at all of you assholes and laugh hysterically.

As far as CD goes, a blind squirrel does in fact find a nut or two every once in a while.
 
I wonder if Kyle got or will get a few review samples or is he "cut" out this time again. I'm really, really, really curious about this. That is if Charlie is right about only the truly PR deep sites being given cards at this time. Since we know Kyle will NOT only say what NV PR wants or spin it in favor of nvidia if it doesn't warrant it. Wow just wow, I hope he gets some review pieces or I will be pissed. :(

Oh and I'm usually one to give Charlie shit for his nonsense bashing nvidia based editorials ad nausem but this little article seems to have an air of validity to it for me for some reason. I mean shit, I hope hes wrong but it's just oddly close to what sounds accurate? lol Dam I hope not though.
Guess we'll know in 2 and a half hours.
 
Savoy said:
I wonder if Kyle got or will get a few review samples or is he "cut" out this time again. I'm really, really, really curious about this. That is if Charlie is right about only the truly PR deep sites being given cards at this time. Since we know Kyle will NOT only say what NV PR wants or spin it in favor of nvidia if it doesn't warrant it. Wow just wow, I hope he gets some review pieces or I will be pissed. :(

Oh and I'm usually one to give Charlie shit for his nonsense bashing nvidia based editorials ad nausem but this little article seems to have an air of validity to it for me for some reason. I mean shit, I hope hes wrong but it's just oddly close to what sounds accurate? lol Dam I hope not though.
Guess we'll know in 2 and a half hours.
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Come on.. no one was "cut" before. People weren't sent cards because NVIDIA knew they wouldn't be interested in reviewing the same card with a new name. They decided to focus on the PhysX and CUDA story and run with reviewers who might not have reviewed the product originally. Why would you approach a well respected technical site with the same product with a different name?

It's not like it was some grand scheme or incredibly personal diss to everyone.. come on dude.

Kyle will absolutely get a card, as will everyone else.
 
Savoy said:
I wonder if Kyle got or will get a few review samples or is he "cut" out this time again. I'm really, really, really curious about this. That is if Charlie is right about only the truly PR deep sites being given cards at this time. Since we know Kyle will NOT only say what NV PR wants or spin it in favor of nvidia if it doesn't warrant it. Wow just wow, I hope he gets some review pieces or I will be pissed. :(

Oh and I'm usually one to give Charlie shit for his nonsense bashing nvidia based editorials ad nausem but this little article seems to have an air of validity to it for me for some reason. I mean shit, I hope hes wrong but it's just oddly close to what sounds accurate? lol Dam I hope not though.
Guess we'll know in 2 and a half hours.
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I have it on good authority Kyle will get both cards GTX470 and 480 by week2 of march.
 
DASHlT said:
Still semi-accurate compared you are Inside sources bro.

Like I said guru3d > Charlie you and Bluestorm
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Actually, Guru3d author tries to suck up to Nvidia by bashing CD then agrees with alot of what he said.

I think it's safe to that the GeForce 470 and 480 will be worthy competitors to towards the Radeon HD 5850 and 5870. Will it be a knock-out ? I doubt it very much.
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I'm going to tear up my JHH poster if this is true.
 
BlueStorm said:
Come on.. no one was "cut" before. People weren't sent cards because NVIDIA knew they wouldn't be interested in reviewing the same card with a new name. They decided to focus on the PhysX and CUDA story and run with reviewers who might not have reviewed the product originally. Why would you approach a well respected technical site with the same product with a different name?

It's not like it was some grand scheme or incredibly personal diss to everyone.. come on dude.
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Nevermind the fact KyleB said he wouldn't fucking review the damn card anyways unless it was given to them to keep. Most of the time Nvidia or the AIBs send out review cards they want sent back.
 
BlueStorm said:
Come on.. no one was "cut" before. People weren't sent cards because NVIDIA knew they wouldn't be interested in reviewing the same card with a new name. They decided to focus on the PhysX and CUDA story and run with reviewers who might not have reviewed the product originally. Why would you approach a well respected technical site with the same product with a different name?

It's not like it was some grand scheme or incredibly personal diss to everyone.. come on dude.

Kyle will absolutely get a card, as will everyone else.
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Ok OK bro relax lol. I am not a hater of nvidia in case you haven't read any of my posts before. Quite the contrary actually I am a fan of Nvidia but NOT a blind fanboy. That being said i wasn't sure exactly what happeend with that situation but I do remember some hoopla over it. Oh and ya, I said I hope Kyle gets a card and that Charlie was wrong. Just can't help that Charlie's article rang some bells in my head is all. Hopefully he's dead wrong and if he is I have no doubt Kyle will get cards to review.
 
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