SemiAccurate gets some GTX480 scores

BlueStorm said:
lol bogus info. When did you run these exactly?

I'm sure NVIDIA would release something that wasn't DX11 compliant.. sure :rolleyes:
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I figured everyone would know I was just fucking around. No one has any info on it and anyone saying so in this thread is full of shit, myself included.
 
BlueStorm said:
What I'm saying is that he said $400. See how huge the price range he then mentioned afterwards was? He makes dual statements (sometimes spanning 2 articles) to cover his ass. That's how he ALWAYS operates guys.
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I agree with you that the $400-$600 range is the article does sound like nothing more than a guess. However, you were the one who said that "everything in the article is wrong", and you specifically mentioned price. Now you backtrack and say that you were referring only to the $400 part, not the $400-$600 range in the article. Sounds like you operate the same way as charlie does -- dual statements to cover your rear end.
 
chklin said:
I agree with you that the $400-$600 range is the article does sound like nothing more than a guess. However, you were the one who said that "everything in the article is wrong", and you specifically mentioned price. Now you backtrack and say that you were referring only to the $400 part, not the $400-$600 range in the article. Sounds like you operate the same way as charlie does -- dual statements to cover your rear end.
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What? He made the specific claim of $400. That's the most specific and I'm holding him to that. And I'm saying that's wrong. There is no dual statement to that.

R1ckCa1n said:
Only Rollo......
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Rollo is not an NVIDIA employee. He is a focus group member. Huge difference.
 
Just a thought , WHY should we care about Nvidia or ATi. They dont pay us...
Anyone of em has a better card/cheaper one get it.. and if one looses the battle in one generation of the cards, that is a kick to the nuts and they will come back with a better one next time. WIN WIN for us......
The fan boy club should be left to the 5th graders :D
 
abbasdr said:
Just a thought , WHY should we care about Nvidia or ATi. They dont pay us...
Anyone of em has a better card/cheaper one get it.. and if one looses the battle in one generation of the cards, that is a kick to the nuts and they will come back with a better one next time. WIN WIN for us......
The fan boy club should be left to the 5th graders :D
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We don't care about them, but we do care if their products suck or not.
 
abbasdr said:
Just a thought , WHY should we care about Nvidia or ATi. They dont pay us...
Anyone of em has a better card/cheaper one get it.. and if one looses the battle in one generation of the cards, that is a kick to the nuts and they will come back with a better one next time. WIN WIN for us......
The fan boy club should be left to the 5th graders :D
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Most of us are just consumers with an inherent antagonistic viewpoint. The only thing pathetic are people here spinning free PR (LOL) and defending their beloved green company.
 
kadozer said:
Most of us are just consumers with an inherent antagonistic viewpoint. The only thing pathetic are people here spinning free PR (LOL) and defending their beloved green company.
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Actually that's not necessarily true.. for me personally I take issue with misinformation. I prefer doing my part to make sure the truth is known. I hate people regurgitating info that's wrong... especially when it's something they don't even understand.

I'll do what I can to combat bogus information.. I think that's pretty reasonable.
 
If this is true, which i hope is not it means that i won't see a sub $300 5870 anytime soon :(
 
Fafeifa said:
If this is true, which i hope is not it means that i won't see a sub $300 5870 anytime soon :(
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True, but, hopefully it also means you won't be seeing a 800+ dollar flagship card from nVidia like in the 8800 Ultra days. So prices are/will stay more reasonable hopefully.
 
Tolyngee said:
If ATi don't get on the ball with their drivers, the 5xxx series will become a tough sell IMO...
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Not so tough... They've been selling very well since release. The only driver complaint I have is overclocking on dual monitors isn't so easy on ATI, this has been the case for a while now. Short of that the drivers have been fine for me.
 
RamonGTP said:
Not so tough... They've been selling very well since release. The only driver complaint I have is overclocking on dual monitors isn't so easy on ATI, this has been the case for a while now. Short of that the drivers have been fine for me.
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The 10.2s now appear to have Powerplay working in reverse on mine... My GPU temps go up at the desktop, and down when attempting to game... Doom 3 (a game from 5.5 years ago) it almost a slideshow...

9.12s didn't do this...
 
Tolyngee said:
The 10.2s now appear to have Powerplay working in reverse on mine... My GPU temps go up at the desktop, and down when attempting to game... Doom 3 (a game from 5.5 years ago) it almost a slideshow...

9.12s didn't do this...
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My card does alot of weird power play stuff , whenever I launch a game sometimes the frame rate will be god aweful and I'll alt tab and it goes back to normal (seen this in a few of my games as well) and I noticed when I did this the clock rate shot up from the 2D clocks in 3D mode to regular 3D clocks that are suppose to be present.

10.2 does get rid of pretty much everything else that was bothering me but its almost march now and this card has been out since Sept of last year .. ATI isn't doing such a great group with drivers in my mind this time around. My 4870X2 drivers were rock solid (until my card died) for a long time and I didn't have any issues with it.
 
Godmachine said:
the clock rate shot up from the 2D clocks in 3D mode to regular 3D clocks that are suppose to be present.
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My clock rates and voltages say that the card's working the way it should.. Clocks are where they are supposed to be for 2D, and where they're supposed to be for 3D...

my framerate says something else though...

It wasn't 'til I saw my GPU temps (where temps and fan % go up in 2D, and both go down in 3D) that I realized my GPU is being used LESS when in 3D mode...

Something's not right... No lock-ups, but then again I wasn't experiencing lock-ups in games, but at the desktop...

Now my desktop's apparently stable, but I cannot game with this card...

It's a $400 card giving my the gaming performance of a... 4650 perhaps?

Doom 3 slideshow is getting ridiculous...
 
what is more shocking is the fact that people even take his 'blog' seriously.

That guy is the Perez Hilton of technology media, you read it for a laugh, and maybe be a bit surprised if he ends up being right. You don't read it thinking it is a credible source of information.

The OP stating that it is a credible source, simply because someone doesn't 'blog' on the interweb to counter Charlie's claims, needs to go take some classes in critical thinking.

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Sadly, his info is bogus.
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Sorry, I missed the part where you listed your source to the contrary?
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BlueStorm said:
Actually that's not necessarily true.. for me personally I take issue with misinformation. I prefer doing my part to make sure the truth is known. I hate people regurgitating info that's wrong... especially when it's something they don't even understand.

I'll do what I can to combat bogus information.. I think that's pretty reasonable.
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I believe people who have high tolerance for Charlie works from the exact same point.

The last year nVidia has not exactly been truthful regarding the launch of Fermi. Dates, fake cards etc.

Charlie use inside info that he extrapolates from. He is open about the extrapolation, he is also open about his dislike for nVidia. However he will be wrong. He works from leaks and knowledge of the business.

In this case you have to choose between more information from two non-optimal sources or ignoring both. One is constantly spreading misinformation through twitters etc.and one has limited information. Both are partial.

Noone is ignoring both. Then only logical choice is to listen to both and make up your own opinion.
 
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iceredwing said:
what is more shocking is the fact that people even take his 'blog' seriously.

That guy is the Perez Hilton of technology media, you read it for a laugh, and maybe be a bit surprised if he ends up being right. You don't read it thinking it is a credible source of information.

The OP stating that it is a credible source, simply because someone doesn't 'blog' on the interweb to counter Charlie's claims, needs to go take some classes in critical thinking.
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Sounds like you been out of the loop with Charlie and everything Fermi since '09. Please research the threads and try to keep up. Leave you at it. Ad hominems aren't not enough to discredit sorry.
 
iceredwing said:
what is more shocking is the fact that people even take his 'blog' seriously.

That guy is the Perez Hilton of technology media, you read it for a laugh, and maybe be a bit surprised if he ends up being right. You don't read it thinking it is a credible source of information.

The OP stating that it is a credible source, simply because someone doesn't 'blog' on the interweb to counter Charlie's claims, needs to go take some classes in critical thinking.
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I said he's been a pretty good source because his "blogs" on Fermi and nVidia in general have been pretty on point as of late. No need for a critical thinking class, i'm going by recent history.

Oh, and you too must have forgot to list your source to the contrary? I'm more than willing to accept Fermi is going to be a great card, so lets see the good news? I mean, usually when a brand new architecture is this close to release there are all kinds of GOOD rumors going around, speculation of how well it will run crysis, leaked benchmarks in Chinese or some other language, SOMETHING to get the juices flowing, but we have nothing but negative news with a select few people, in essence saying "i don't know anything about Fermi, but I know that can't be true"
 
tannat said:
I believe people who have high tolerance for Charlie works from the exact same point.

The last year nVidia has not exactly been truthful regarding the launch of Fermi. Dates, fake cards etc.

Charlie use inside info that he extrapolates from. He is open about the extrapolation, he is also open about his dislike for nVidia. However he will be wrong. He works from leaks and knowledge of the business.

In this case you have to choose between more information from two non-optimal sources or ignoring both. One is constantly lying through twitters etc.and one has limited information. Both are partial.

Noone is ignoring both. Then only logical choice is to listen to both and make up your own opinion.
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Whoa whoa whoa.. lying? Really? You want to use that word?

How exactly has NVIDIA lied when they never even announced a launch date? They were showing a mock-up card.. they wanted to show what it would look like. They didn't claim it was real. They did show an actual Fermi running in the GTC keynote.. they just understandably didn't want to show an engineering board, as it would detract from the sex appeal... I don't really see why everyone makes a big deal out of nothing..
 
BlueStorm said:
Whoa whoa whoa.. lying? Really? You want to use that word?

How exactly has NVIDIA lied when they never even announced a launch date? They were showing a mock-up card.. they wanted to show what it would look like. They didn't claim it was real. They did show an actual Fermi running in the GTC keynote.. they just understandably didn't want to show an engineering board, as it would detract from the sex appeal... I don't really see why everyone makes a big deal out of nothing..
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Well they said September, then November, then december, then Q1.

They're of course too smart to nail a date to the wall, but through semiofficial channels, pr individuals, twitter etc.

Maybe lying is too provocative but they are blowing a lot of smoke. And I sure don't trust them. Do you?
 
Oh, and you too must have forgot to list your source to the contrary?
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Again you need that critical thinking course, you continue to use that argument above as some form of defense that Charlie's claims are true because people who would dare disagree won't post a link as to why they would disagree with Charlie. But if that is truly important to you, i'm sure some hardcore nvidia fan boy will eventually make a website (with the type of passion for nvidia as charlie has against it) and claim it to be journalistic tech news then I will go ahead and post it for you.

his (and most) of the information being leaked out are hardly from the most credible of sources. If this information that is constantly being 'leaked' out was of true credibility then i'm sure the more trustworthy sites like this one would actually put its 2 cents on it. You know, the websites with reviewers with unbiased reviews :p

but the fact still remains that these are leaked info, coming from un-named 'credible' sources. And that is enough for you to rationalize it to be credible.
 
It's enough considering what I already said.

1) He's been a bit more then semi-accurate lately
2) There is next to nothing showing he is wrong, not even from the nVidia crowd

I'm using him as a source based on accurate information posted by him in the past on this topic. You're calling BS based on your opinion and not backing it up with anything except telling people they're wrong.... I don't think i'm the one who needs the class.
 
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RamonGTP said:
I said he's been a pretty good source because his "blogs" on Fermi and nVidia in general have been pretty on point as of late. No need for a critical thinking class, i'm going by recent history.

Oh, and you too must have forgot to list your source to the contrary? I'm more than willing to accept Fermi is going to be a great card, so lets see the good news? I mean, usually when a brand new architecture is this close to release there are all kinds of GOOD rumors going around, speculation of how well it will run crysis, leaked benchmarks in Chinese or some other language, SOMETHING to get the juices flowing, but we have nothing but negative news with a select few people, in essence saying "i don't know anything about Fermi, but I know that can't be true"
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Get charlie to link his source. Oh wait, he wont do that but yet you are willing to take anything he says without question, but will question anything to the contrary.

And the only thing he has gotten "right" as of late has been the fact FERMI would be late.
 
tannat said:
Well they said September, then November, then december, then Q1.

They're of course too smart to nail a date to the wall, but through semiofficial channels, pr individuals, twitter etc.

Maybe lying is too provocative but they are blowing a lot of smoke. And I sure don't trust them. Do you?
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Wow I hope you're joking.. *WHO* said any of those dates? NVIDIA has never quoted a date, which is why you don't know when it's coming out.

On the other side, people like the Charlie in discussion have constantly quoted dates all along the way. So you should do a better job of taking into consideration where you heard things.
 
XMAN245 said:
Get charlie to link his source. Oh wait, he wont do that but yet you are willing to take anything he says without question, but will question anything to the contrary.

And the only thing he has gotten "right" as of late has been the fact FERMI would be late.
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There is nothing to the contrary, that's the problem. Let's compare what Charlie is saying to what you're saying.

Charlie: I have a source, I won't tell you who it is, but here are their findings... (goes on to post the findings)

You: I have a source, Charlie is wrong. (and that's it)

See the difference? I'm more than willing to accept info to the contrary if you'd actually post some.
 
RamonGTP said:
It's enough considering what I already said.

1) He's been a bit more then semi-accurate lately
2) There is next to nothing showing he is wrong, not even from the nVidia crowd

I'm using him as a source based on accurate information posted by him in the past on this topic. You're calling BS based on your opinion and not backing it up with anything except telling people they're wrong.... I don't think i'm the one who needs the class.
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What, exactly, has he been accurate about? How can you even claim that if you don't know what GF100 is yet, or even when it's coming out? lol..

Logical fallacy. By that logic, God "obviously" exists, because I can't prove it doesn't.
 
You're calling BS based on your opinion
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lol i'm not claiming that the fermi is doing great am i? So i have nothing to prove here. I'm not claiming he IS wrong. I'm saying to believe him unequivocally (especially for his pension for nvidia dramatics) is what is BS here.

There is next to nothing showing he is wrong, not even from the nVidia crowd
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the absence of evidence to prove something is true/false, doesn't make the contrary true.

Just because we can't prove other forms of life exist outside of our planet, doesn't mean that there isn't life outside of our own planet.
 
BlueStorm said:
What, exactly, has he been accurate about? How can you even claim that if you don't know what GF100 is yet, or even when it's coming out? lol..

Logical fallacy. By that logic, God "obviously" exists, because I can't prove it doesn't.
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Even though I do not trust Charlie 100%. His info is alot more realiable then yours.

At least he posts numbers....true or not? no way to tell.

All you do is say he wrong, keep saying he is wrong, and where are your numbers? (still waiting)

This is why people believe him over you....
 
RamonGTP said:
It's enough considering what I already said.

1) He's been a bit more then semi-accurate lately
2) There is next to nothing showing he is wrong, not even from the nVidia crowd

I'm using him as a source based on accurate information posted by him in the past on this topic. You're calling BS based on your opinion and not backing it up with anything except telling people they're wrong.... I don't think i'm the one who needs the class.
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RamonGTP said:
There is nothing to the contrary, that's the problem. Let's compare what Charlie is saying to what you're saying.

Charlie: I have a source, I won't tell you who it is, but here are their findings... (goes on to post the findings)

You: I have a source, Charlie is wrong. (and that's it)

See the difference? I'm more than willing to accept info to the contrary if you'd actually post some.
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I have if you had bothered to read anything I have posted. I'll take the time to shorten it up for you a bit.

GTX470 will launch as schedueled, GTX480 is going to be a PE part sadly. GTX 480 is faster than 5870 by way more than 5% faster. Clock for GTX 470 should be 400-450(This very well may have changed as it has been abut a month since I've heard from my source. He went on vaction/honeymoon and wont be back til around launch week) core with 1250-1300 shader while GTX480 will be 625-650 core and 1400-1500 shader. GTX480 will only ship in volume by mid to late summer based on whether or not B1 works or if a B2 is needed. GTX470 should be right around 5870 speed wise.


There, everything I have posted before in these forums over the last 3 weeks concerning Fermi even before his stupid fucking Fermi a broken unmakeable GPU editorial BS posting on his site.
 
Tolyngee said:
My clock rates and voltages say that the card's working the way it should.. Clocks are where they are supposed to be for 2D, and where they're supposed to be for 3D...

my framerate says something else though...

It wasn't 'til I saw my GPU temps (where temps and fan % go up in 2D, and both go down in 3D) that I realized my GPU is being used LESS when in 3D mode...

Something's not right... No lock-ups, but then again I wasn't experiencing lock-ups in games, but at the desktop...

Now my desktop's apparently stable, but I cannot game with this card...

It's a $400 card giving my the gaming performance of a... 4650 perhaps?

Doom 3 slideshow is getting ridiculous...
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Be sure your clocks in game are working right. I have not checked on 10.2's but on all older drivers I was getting stuck at 400/900 clock speeds from media center.
 
XMAN245 said:
I have if you had bothered to read anything I have posted. I'll take the time to shorten it up for you a bit.

GTX470 will launch as schedueled, GTX480 is going to be a PE part sadly. GTX 480 is faster than 5870 by way more than 5% faster. Clock for GTX 470 should be 400-450(This very well may have changed as it has been abut a month since I've heard from my source. He went on vaction/honeymoon and wont be back til around launch week) core with 1250-1300 shader while GTX480 will be 625-650 core and 1400-1500 shader. GTX480 will only ship in volume by mid to late summer based on whether or not B1 works or if a B2 is needed. GTX470 should be right around 5870 speed wise.


There, everything I have posted before in these forums over the last 3 weeks concerning Fermi even before his stupid fucking Fermi a broken unmakeable GPU editorial BS posting on his site.
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So you are saying we should listen to you since you think you have inside info?

You bitch and complain about Charlie, Yet you do the same bullshit, (I have sources, and he is wrong).

Boy I never knew Video cards can bring the liars and Fanboi's in to make up fake bullshit.

Either way Charlie you bluestorm have no REAL proof...So this tells me you are all wrong. I will wait tell Hardocp does an honest review. Then you can all come back and bitch about if you were right or wrong and how bad charlie hates nvidia.
 
Even though I do not trust Charlie 100%. His info is alot more realiable then yours.

At least he posts numbers....true or not? no way to tell.

All you do is say he wrong, keep saying he is wrong, and where are your numbers? (still waiting)

This is why people believe him over you....
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that is untrue, people believe him because they fail to see beyond the words. Claiming to have sources only means something if you are unbiased and haven't done anything to tarnish your journalistic reputation. Because in the end you have to put that reputation on the line for your sources.

Basically, what I'm saying is you should take this information about as serious as you would Rush Limbaugh's news in regards to politics
 
iceredwing said:
lol i'm not claiming that the fermi is doing great am i? So i have nothing to prove here. I'm not claiming he IS wrong. I'm saying to believe him unequivocally (especially for his pension for nvidia dramatics) is what is BS here.



the absence of evidence to prove something is true/false, doesn't make the contrary true.

Just because we can't prove other forms of life exist outside of our planet, doesn't mean that there isn't life outside of our own planet.
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Nice red herring but this goes back to question 1. Why is he wrong? Wood screws, mock card, late late late when Fud and Nvidia kept saying November then January, A1, A2 tapeouts...etc etc

Yes we know he's Hannity + Beck + limbaugh + devil....this hasn't been said in the thread yet. You people are just as bad as you say he is except you have no numbers lolz. Bowing out now.
 
iceredwing said:
that is untrue, people believe him because they fail to see beyond the words. Claiming to have sources only means something if you are unbiased and haven't done anything to tarnish your journalistic reputation. Because in the end you have to put that reputation on the line for your sources.

Basically, what I'm saying is you should take this information about as serious as you would Rush Limbaugh's news in regards to politics
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No they believe him because he has been about 70% right on Nvidia and Fermi, compare to other people who THINK they have inside info and just post some random numbers.

Charlie has a 70% chance of being right....I think he is wrong, and I think you Bluestorm and xman and whoever else thinks he is wrong is wrong.

Either way you are all wrong until it gets released.
 
XMAN245 said:
I have if you had bothered to read anything I have posted. I'll take the time to shorten it up for you a bit.

GTX470 will launch as schedueled, GTX480 is going to be a PE part sadly. GTX 480 is faster than 5870 by way more than 5% faster. Clock for GTX 470 should be 400-450(This very well may have changed as it has been abut a month since I've heard from my source. He went on vaction/honeymoon and wont be back til around launch week) core with 1250-1300 shader while GTX480 will be 625-650 core and 1400-1500 shader. GTX480 will only ship in volume by mid to late summer based on whether or not B1 works or if a B2 is needed. GTX470 should be right around 5870 speed wise.


There, everything I have posted before in these forums over the last 3 weeks concerning Fermi even before his stupid fucking Fermi a broken unmakeable GPU editorial BS posting on his site.
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Fair enough, THIS is all I was asking for. I'm not an unreasonable person, i just didn't know you had posted this info before.

Now it's just a matter of time to see how everything unfolds
 
70%? let's not get into another argument about that statement.

We all know that "86.856% of .... " claimed percentages are incorrect.

Nice red herring but this goes back to question 1. Why is he wrong? Wood screws, mock card, late late late when Fud and Nvidia kept saying November then January, A1, A2 tapeouts...etc etc
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he is wrong because he is giving you specifics. if the claim was fermi is having troubles, then maybe you can make that deduction based on the situation (which is what you are stating). But late releases and failed release dates does not =

"70C and 70% fan speed"
"5% faster than 5870"
 
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