iPhone 4G Thread

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I didn't see an iPhone 4G thread so I figured I'd start one. I'll keep the first post updated with all the info I find or you guys share for anyone to use as reference. Links for reference (Updated from throughout the thread)

http://mygadgetnews.com/2010/02/09/iphone-4g-details-leaked/
http://mygadgetnews.com/2010/02/20/iphone-4g-rumors-of-the-month/
http://mygadgetnews.com/2010/02/26/analysts-predict-iphone-4g-to-be-cheaper-and-better/

Thanks to HenryBravo for providing information on AT&T allowing VoIP calls on their 3G Data Network.
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/skype-ceo-iphone-voip-over-3g-soon/2010-02-18
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/apple-approves-voip-over-3g-app-finally/2010-01-28

Thanks to morgrar for providing information on John Grubor's predictions (this guy had been dead on in the past) and a Wall Street Journal article which mentions the release being this upcoming summer.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/29/wsj
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575152242601774892.html


Features that the next generation iPhone is said to have:
A new, sleeker body design.
OLED screen.
Multi-Tasking. (use multiple functions at once without going in and out of apps)
iChat camera (a camera in the front for video chat)
32G (basic) and 64G of memory. You're sure to never run out.
Removable Battery
Video Camera Capabilities.
Messaging light.
Built in True GPS
Standard Headphone Jack
It's going to be called the iPhone HD.
It'll support multi-tasking 3rd party apps.
Front-facing camera for video calls.
Apple's A4 CPU powered.
960 × 640 resolution.
 
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Meh... I'll be replacing my 3GS with the HTC HD2 or Supersonic in a few months.
 
I will wait untill may, and if i dont see any new phones coming out i will get nexus one. Thats only if nexus one come to Canada in may :p
 
Unless they have some OMGAMAZING hardware feature, I'll be sticking to my 3GS. I'm sure the biggest benefits will be added via software anyway. If I didn't have a 3GS, I'd probably go with a HTC Supersonic.
 
Yeah it will take something truly awe inspiring to get me to swap out from my 3gs.
 
I think Apple has big plans for the 4G. The hardware will definitely better I am sure, as mentioned there will be flash added as well as a better camera and they are increasing the size for that new proximity touch feature which I think will be awesome.
 
I'm really hoping it's something worthwhile. I've been holding out and still have my 3G. Steve Jobs said it's going to be an A+ upgrade when he was talking about Android.

I hope it blows all the other phones out of the water again (but it probably won't).
 
Can I borrow someone's time machine so I can go to the future too and see how the iPhone 4G is apparently going to be less than stellar?
 
I don't know I heard it is going to have video-calling and if they did, that would be gamebreaking in the mobile world. I don't think the average person will find much use of the 4G in being an upgrade (I don't think the average person doesn't even know the difference between a 3G and a 3GS other than the storage space differences.)
 
How is this "Official"? Those photos have been out for at least 2 weeks now, and hardly "Official"
 
Rombus said:
How is this "Official"? Those photos have been out for at least 2 weeks now, and hardly "Official"
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I figured I'd start an "official thread" and if anyone has news or anything, I'd just update the first post with it. Thats all I meant, that way, people on the forums can come to this thread and instead of having to read through it all, they can just look at the first post which I will keep updated.
 
morgrar said:
I'm really hoping it's something worthwhile. I've been holding out and still have my 3G. Steve Jobs said it's going to be an A+ upgrade when he was talking about Android.

I hope it blows all the other phones out of the water again (but it probably won't).
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While we all hope its better look at Jobs going crazy about the Ipad. Look how that turned out.
 
vincentharris said:
While we all hope its better look at Jobs going crazy about the Ipad. Look how that turned out.
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And he went crazy for the original iPhone, people said it was a flop and couldn't do all the things that were necessary for the phone, and now it's one of the most successful consumer phones/device ever. Yawn for pessimism. The iPad is exciting, you're just part of the unimaginative flock (the same flock that said the iPhone was going to fail).
 
vincentharris said:
While we all hope its better look at Jobs going crazy about the Ipad. Look how that turned out.
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The iPad disappointed a lot of 'techy' folks (read: [H]ard|Forum members) and it was a major let down from all the rumors and hype. However, at the end of the day, the iPad is the "perfect" (loosely used here) "computer" (again, loosely used) for the average person that'll do just enough in an enjoyable fashion.

Apple knows it has some serious competition now, and to remain at the forefront of the mobile platform, they're going to have to come out with some new revolutionary feature, or something that differentiates it from the latest HTC offerings.

I just hope it finally makes a decent phone call. Oh wait. That's AT&T's fault.
 
i hope someone can jailbreak the iPad and put a real OSX there :D.. that would be nice
 
can't view the page, but unless it's leaps and bounds over the 3GS, I don't see myself upgrading for quite a while.

Storage space, memory, processor speed and the connection speed has never been an issue... maybe if they add some sort of physical buttons to it (analog stick?) I'd bite, but I really doubt they'd add something like that.
 
This is coming from a fairly neutral (unfanboyish) person, but honestly with WinMo 7 coming and so much around the corner from HTC, not to mention Dell's Mini 5 and Intel/Nokia's MeeGo OS, I find it hard to get worked up over the speculated iPhone 4G, given that the last new iPhone wasn't much more than an incremental update.
 
Åndhrimnir;1035334347 said:
This is coming from a fairly neutral (unfanboyish) person, but honestly with WinMo 7 coming and so much around the corner from HTC, not to mention Dell's Mini 5 and Intel/Nokia's MeeGo OS, I find it hard to get worked up over the speculated iPhone 4G, given that the last new iPhone wasn't much more than an incremental update.
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I agree - this new competition is making the other options that much better, but in the same token that the 3GS was an incremental upgrade, it did not have the amount of competition it does today. So, I think it's evident that if Apple wants to remain on top and continue to be at the forefront of the mobile platform, it's going to need some serious upgrades for the next-gen iPhone.

I think it's also been interesting to see the lack of hype surrounding it right now as the other companies unveil their new technology. This quietly lets Apple see what others are coming out with and preparing to (hopefully) 1-up them.

We'll see though. If the 4th gen iPhone is an incremental upgrade from the 3GS, I'm sure a lot of people will be disappointed. I can already see myself switching over to Android, or maybe even a Palm Pre Plus because of their functionality.
 
morgrar said:
I agree - this new competition is making the other options that much better, but in the same token that the 3GS was an incremental upgrade, it did not have the amount of competition it does today. So, I think it's evident that if Apple wants to remain on top and continue to be at the forefront of the mobile platform, it's going to need some serious upgrades for the next-gen iPhone.

I think it's also been interesting to see the lack of hype surrounding it right now as the other companies unveil their new technology. This quietly lets Apple see what others are coming out with and preparing to (hopefully) 1-up them.

We'll see though. If the 4th gen iPhone is an incremental upgrade from the 3GS, I'm sure a lot of people will be disappointed. I can already see myself switching over to Android, or maybe even a Palm Pre Plus because of their functionality.
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Hopefully that incremental software update isn't going to remind me of Jen-Hsun Huang's "can of whoop ass" - or people might be more interested in something like the HTC Supersonic. Android is definitely becoming more interesting as a platform by the day.
 
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I personally think Apple is going to make the 4G excellent. My reasoning behind this is the fact that they will be announcing their news in a few weeks. Basically, after MWC is over, and everyone else has shared their news and developments, Apple will come out and 1up them.
 
The latest patent rumors are indicating Apple may have a front-facing camera. I know this rumor has existed when the 3G was coming out, when the 3GS was coming out, and of course, now when the 4th-gen is supposedly coming out. All I know is that if Skype over 3G and similar services are finally getting the go-ahead, it may be time to unveil the front-facing camera for video conferencing.

It'd certainly put Apple over the other manufacturers (not counting Nokia).
 
TBH, I'm not very excited about a front-facing camera for some reason. It would only be used in one app that I can think of: Skype. Where else?

Considering you can't even make phone calls without WiFi on Skype, what's the point of having a front-facing camera on a mobile device? If I have WiFi nearby, I'm likely at home where I can use my desktop or netbook.

Note: My opinion may be biased by the fact I've bought a 3GS a few months ago. Interestingly enough, I kinda wanted for the iPad to have a front-facing camera.
 
shurcooL said:
Considering you can't even make phone calls without WiFi on Skype, what's the point of having a front-facing camera on a mobile device? If I have WiFi nearby, I'm likely at home where I can use my desktop or netbook.
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AT&T is now allowing VoIP calls on its 3G data network, and Apple has started approving apps with this feature. Skype will soon have this capability as well.
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/skype-ceo-iphone-voip-over-3g-soon/2010-02-18
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/apple-approves-voip-over-3g-app-finally/2010-01-28
 
HenryBravo said:
AT&T is now allowing VoIP calls on its 3G data network, and Apple has started approving apps with this feature. Skype will soon have this capability as well.
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/skype-ceo-iphone-voip-over-3g-soon/2010-02-18
http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/apple-approves-voip-over-3g-app-finally/2010-01-28
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I heard about that, but it's not guaranteed to be the same in Canada. =/

Edit: Then again, it's not Apple's problem and they design the device mostly for US audience; Canada is just a small bug hehe.
 
shurcooL said:
I heard about that, but it's not guaranteed to be the same in Canada. =/

Edit: Then again, it's not Apple's problem and they design the device mostly for US audience; Canada is just a small bug hehe.
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Well, isn't it application specific? Didn't Skype remove the calling over 3G in order to get the app approved since AT&T was giving Apple a hard time? So, if Skype enables it on their app, I'd imagine it'd work for you too, no?

You can download the Fring app now and try it out.
 
Found more info that i'll be updating the first post of the forum on. New article with information roundup on the iPhone 4G (check the source link below). Noticed that multitasking is a standard feature of the 4G (although you can still multitask with apps such as multifl0w for those with jailbroken phones). Seems like the base model is also a 32GB model (get ready to drop extra cash garunteed). Removable battery also seems like something Apple has listened to. Seems like they are hearing out what the community has been complaining about and trying to fix those issues / features. What do you guys think?

Source: http://mygadgetnews.com/2010/02/20/iphone-4g-rumors-of-the-month/

P.S I edited the first post in the thread to reflect information and link sources gathered throughout the thread. Feel free to leave more info to update the main post with.
 
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Sheesh, those predictions are so amateur and unrealistic. It's kinda embarrassing, really.
 
shurcooL said:
Sheesh, those predictions are so amateur and unrealistic. It's kinda embarrassing, really.
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Just to clarify, I am not predicting anything. Just sharing the rumors I've read about (many of which are found on websites which are a reliable source of information). I also don't know why you would feel the need to post a comment such as that considering it seems to add nothing useful to the topic or your opinion, just seems to me you are poking fun of me trying to spark some conversation by sharing things I have found about the phone, really.

If you want to see predictions which I find kind of embarassing, check out something like the link posted below. An artist creates various images on his concept of the phone. The only thing is he isn't an amateur and the concept is somewhat realistic (because the iPhones all look fairly similar). He must be a real enthusiast for taking the time out to make several pictures.

Source: http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/02/20...autiful-new-concepts-from-italian-studio-adr/
 
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shurcooL said:
No offense to you Ntee, I was referring to the link you posted.
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Ah okay. Sorry for sounding hostile (I didn't think I was doing any of the things you mentioned.) I actually think the article was useful (which is why I decided to share the link). It's probably a source from various other news sites and seems to be a bit opinionated, but thats what I liked about it. Same thing with all the other articles. I've started to visit the site regularly and find it to be a fresh taste of news outside of the general Engadget / Gizmodo / Lifehacker type sites. The site is new I believe and is still under construction (I say this because i asked for iPhone help on the forums and the forums have been updated several times since then so my original posts are gone). Thats all a bit of digression though.

I'm hoping Apple will really listen to it's consumers and take the things they have been asking for and seriously implement them in their new upcoming 4G. I am sure Apple will try to 1-up their competition when they announce news for the phone. We'll see though.
 
shurcooL said:
TBH, I'm not very excited about a front-facing camera for some reason. It would only be used in one app that I can think of: Skype. Where else?

Considering you can't even make phone calls without WiFi on Skype, what's the point of having a front-facing camera on a mobile device? If I have WiFi nearby, I'm likely at home where I can use my desktop or netbook.

Note: My opinion may be biased by the fact I've bought a 3GS a few months ago. Interestingly enough, I kinda wanted for the iPad to have a front-facing camera.
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Might also have some random utility like dimming the screen when the phone is held against the face (skin pressing against front camera == lets little light in == it detects that it doesn't need the screen on regular brightness).
 
grOOvstEIn said:
Might also have some random utility like dimming the screen when the phone is held against the face (skin pressing against front camera == lets little light in == it detects that it doesn't need the screen on regular brightness).
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My 3G already does that...

When a call is connected it turns off the screen, and if you move it away from your ear (I think the accelerometer just detects movement) the screen turns back on so that you have access to the phone book to make 3-way calls, the speakerphone button, mute button, etc.
When the call ends the screen turns back on so you can go back to what you were doing.
 
grOOvstEIn said:
Might also have some random utility like dimming the screen when the phone is held against the face (skin pressing against front camera == lets little light in == it detects that it doesn't need the screen on regular brightness).
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There's already a light sensor on the 3G. Using a camera to do that would likely burn far more energy.
 
grOOvstEIn said:
Might also have some random utility like dimming the screen when the phone is held against the face (skin pressing against front camera == lets little light in == it detects that it doesn't need the screen on regular brightness).
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Ambient light sensor, proximity sensor. Already built in the iPhone since 2G.
 
So I read more news regarding the phone. Better specs are something the 4G will probably have in some shape or form but analysts are saying that the price will also be cheaper. If that is the case, I don't see how the 4G won't be a big hit. The original iPhone has completely revolutionized mobile phones (at least in my opinion).

Source: http://mygadgetnews.com/2010/02/26/analysts-predict-iphone-4g-to-be-cheaper-and-better/

What do you guys think?
 
My predictions for iphone 4G
- 480x320 screen resolution (yuck)
- Sub 1GHz processor (A4 based?)
- 5MP camera with no LED flash
- Sub 720p video recording
- Longer battery life
- Cheaper
- No front facing camera
 
I agree with your predictions gwu168; they sound reasonable.

But then what's new about the 4G vs. 3GS except the 3MP -> 5MP camera upgrade?

They've gotta change a little more than that... The question is, what?

If they do give us better battery life, perhaps they'll consider adding multi-tasking too (given there's a good UI associated with it... they'd never add multitasking if it hurts the usability of the device).
 
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