Digital Music Sales Up, Piracy Still a Sour Note

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The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry announced that there was strong growth in digital music sales in 2009 despite rampant piracy. Seizing the opportunity to promote “graduated response” legislation, the IFPI claims that illegal downloads now account for about 95 percent of all music downloaded.

The federation blamed piracy for much of the slump, estimating that illegal downloads now account for about 95 percent of all music downloaded despite the number of licensed music services increasing from 50 in 2003 to 400 in 2009. Licensed providers usually charge a fee for music downloads and ensure the artists receive a profit from the sale of a song.
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If there is strong growth but 95% was dl illegally the how much money would they have made if there were no piracy. It would have to exceed the GDP.
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Steve said:
You know shit is bad when Lady GaGa was the number one download last year..:eek:
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Here we go again! I LOVE Lady GaGa! And I must not be alone. Sometimes I like pop culture stuff, sometimes I don't. The pop queens these days, GaGa, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, etc, are all pretty good I think. These people have some talent folks, as much as we my bemoan the quality of their product.

I love my Zune Pass. The Zune and Zune Pass have me into music more than I've ever been and is worth $15 a month too me. The entertainment industry needs a lot more Zune Pass type of value added subscription services.
 
... they made 4.2 Billion dollars off of downloadable content... and yet, the pirates are eating 95% of all music downloaded -- ok, so -- they think that if all of those pirates bought the music they downloaded it would be over 84 billion dollars...

84 Billion dollars - right.
 
There's one thing you have to understand. Money lost to piracy isn't in United States Dollars. It's in internet dollars.

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Steve said:
You know shit is bad when Lady GaGa was the number one download last year..:eek:
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My math is usually bad. GaGa had 9.8 million downloads at roughly $1.00 a song .Not bad at 98million dollars. You guys can put the decimal where you want. Its amasing how they took and turned a piano playing, black haired girl with natural talent, to a glittering dolled up Vegas girl. Guess who owns her sole, until her contract runs out. I hope after all is well and done she remembers her roots and doesn't crash. Her early years showed she had some talent. Shania Twain showed that talent and class can take you a long way. You don't need a costume and head dress to show it.
 
Shania Twain was (is) way hot, so that helps. Susan Boyal would be a better example.

The thing that I don't like about the math is you can't determine what these people would of dl'd if they had to pay for it. For example if I go on and just click "best of the 80's 2gb" there's no way in hell I would of paid money for all that.

I bet realistically sells that are lost to piracy is way the hell lower than anticipated. On a global level it's probably a lot worse than the U.S. though. I live in Chile and everything is pirated. Internet cafes don't even have legit OS's or games. The up side is it's about 50 cents an hour.
 
Uncle said:
My math is usually bad. GaGa had 9.8 million downloads at roughly $1.00 a song .Not bad at 98million dollars. You guys can put the decimal where you want. Its amasing how they took and turned a piano playing, black haired girl with natural talent, to a glittering dolled up Vegas girl. Guess who owns her sole, until her contract runs out. I hope after all is well and done she remembers her roots and doesn't crash. Her early years showed she had some talent. Shania Twain showed that talent and class can take you a long way. You don't need a costume and head dress to show it.
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I saw Lady GaGa interview on Oprah from last week and she really seems to be a fairly down to earth person overall. I don't think that's she's sold herself to the devil. GaGa is actually from a pretty wealthy family and she seems to be close to her parents and loves them.

And she basically explained all of her antics as self expression, nothing all that deep and dark. She's having a blast and enjoying life and seems to be very real about it. She could have a very long an profitable career ahead of her.
 
Its hard to say where talent comes from in pop music, as most of it isn't written by the artist in which case they are just performers not artist.

if Lady GaGa writes her music then she has both talent and originality, else she is a just good performer which is already known from her stripper days.

On a side note Muse released a new album first cd I have bought since 10,000 days. Deftones should have an album out this year which I will also be buying.
 
Kelby said:
...says the Lady GAGA fan. Lol She's goo goo for GA GA.
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i dont like her, but beleive it or not, some people have unique taste and do unique things some of us may not agree with..... she may like to dress out of the norm and not look like every rother cookie cutter pop star out there....

I am sick of %90 of the music out there cause it is the same recycled crap over and over, i will say, since my g/f listens to her, she does have a little diff edge to "some" of her songs and i am sure it is her more outgoing and, well, really disturbed image that makes people like her, cause she look different.
 
Current music is so bad, I can't even remember that last time I downloaded a song.
 
I like listening to new music, but it doesnt stay with me. I will listen to it, then not for a while. But old classic like Queen, Zepplin, and Co. stay forever
 
heatlesssun said:
Here we go again! I LOVE Lady GaGa! And I must not be alone. Sometimes I like pop culture stuff, sometimes I don't. The pop queens these days, GaGa, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, etc, are all pretty good I think. These people have some talent folks, as much as we my bemoan the quality of their product.

I love my Zune Pass. The Zune and Zune Pass have me into music more than I've ever been and is worth $15 a month too me. The entertainment industry needs a lot more Zune Pass type of value added subscription services.
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A black computer nerd that bumps Lady Gaga. I think I've seen everything.
 
How can they possibly say how much is illegally downloaded? How would one gather that data?

Sorry to sidetrack the lady gagag thread.
 
heatlesssun said:
I saw Lady GaGa interview on Oprah from last week and she really seems to be a fairly down to earth person overall. I don't think that's she's sold herself to the devil. GaGa is actually from a pretty wealthy family and she seems to be close to her parents and loves them.

And she basically explained all of her antics as self expression, nothing all that deep and dark. She's having a blast and enjoying life and seems to be very real about it. She could have a very long an profitable career ahead of her.
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I'm having a tough time with your view about its her self expression. I think someone else is selling her as glitter. Look at what the marketing has done to the NHL. I go to see a game not the roving, flashing lights and the other show stopping glitter. Hockey was and is good entertainment without the glitter. Something is wrong when everything is being turned into a stage show. What is with all the razzle and dazzle and flashing lights at a sports event such as hockey. Why has someone turned every form of entertainment into a Hollywood production. Hollywood doesn't have to entertain me at a sports event.
 
I wish I could rake in $4.2 billion and complain about it. Hell, if I got a hold of $4.2 million I'd probably have an orgasm so huge my heart would explode.
 
heatlesssun said:
Here we go again! I LOVE Lady GaGa! And I must not be alone. Sometimes I like pop culture stuff, sometimes I don't. The pop queens these days, GaGa, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, etc, are all pretty good I think. These people have some talent folks, as much as we my bemoan the quality of their product.

I love my Zune Pass. The Zune and Zune Pass have me into music more than I've ever been and is worth $15 a month too me. The entertainment industry needs a lot more Zune Pass type of value added subscription services.
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I got your pop culture right here. Nobody liked it then, and nobody likes it now. Besides little girls.

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How old is that screen shot!? :eek:

I still buy CD"s for 99% of my music. I can get most albums used on Amazon marketplace for a pretty cheap price. I would rather do that than download an entire album. The only time I download music is to just get a single from an artist I'm not too fond of. Most of the time though, I would rather get the entire album and hear what isn't on the radio.
 
I just realized I haven't even bought or pirated music in years. I guess music really does suck now (opinion obviously). There are so many other factors to figure in though when it comes to piracy going up. Widespread use of mp3 players, increases in bandwith / access etc.
 
Thanks to youtube I never buy any music :/ I likely wouldnt have either. The golden days for the music industry is over, they must learn to live on a reduced sustenance.
 
Check this out. So I'm listening to pandora, free streaming music right? And I hear this one song that I'm really diggin, so I look em up, and start listening to whatever other free tracks they have on their myspace page. Unfortunately the quality was downsampled as motivation to buy the album... Guess what I did next.... I BOUGHT THE FRICKEN ALBUM! Now I would have never heard of these guys had it not been introduced to me.

The music industry has this wild fantasy that people will just buy shit from word of mouth, or from box art or some other inane idea.

This just lends credibility to the notion that piracy may perhaps be *increasing* music sales, giving people the opportunity to hear more music. News flash, if 95% of music piracy ceases, so will 20% of sales.
 
this story is really so dead horse by now

it's been repeated over and over and over and over and over and over

the music industry will not change, so don't sit around waiting for that
 
Steve said:
You know shit is bad when Lady GaGa was the number one download last year..:eek:
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Amen, this club music has to go.

I used to be a hip hop fan (old gangsta, e.g. Biggie) but now they are passing utter shit as hip hop these days. How in the hell do we live in a world where Lil Wayne is revered by modern hip hop fans as the greatest rapper of all time!?

Its not just hip hop or pop either. We aren't seeing any real talent from any genre it seems these days.

Makes me sick
 
edifyingkarma said:
Amen, this club music has to go.

I used to be a hip hop fan (old gangsta, e.g. Biggie) but now they are passing utter shit as hip hop these days. How in the hell do we live in a world where Lil Wayne is revered by modern hip hop fans as the greatest rapper of all time!?

Its not just hip hop or pop either. We aren't seeing any real talent from any genre it seems these days.

Makes me sick
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Try post-rock. Although there's a lot of recycling going on it's still alive and kicking.

Also shouldn't Tool be releasing a new album this year?
 
Fail said:
the music industry will not change, so don't sit around waiting for that
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Yes they will or they will die. I listen to CBC where I live and another reason that piracy is shit for an excuse. Most if not all of the music they play are from acts that live here and regionally and produce their music locally. I'm just totally amazed at what CBC plays on air. My kids have gone and bought the CD's and none of them are produced by any company having to do with the RIAA. I've checked and in our Valley we have at least one small studio set up in each town producing local talent and the artists are selling their cd's. during their night club acts. The towns support them by displaying their music in the stores where we shop.So each cd that is bought is one less sale for the RIAA group of companies. So they can put that in their crack pipes and smoke it. Piracy is just a smoke screen for their incompetency.
 
wtf with all the ga ga crap?

On topic, i download a lot and i didnt download a single song for me last year. Thats how bad music is nowadays.
 
What is funny to see, is how we claim todays music sucks.... just like our parents claimed OUR music sucked we listened to growing up, just like people say 80's sucked , then 70's was crap then 60's and so on..

see what i am saying?

this generation will say their kids music sucks and back in the day it was laddy gagga and other pop tarts that made music what it is, blah blah blah

as we get older, we think the new music usually sucks for the most part, it is nastalgia for us.
 
MrGuvernment said:
What is funny to see, is how we claim todays music sucks.... just like our parents claimed OUR music sucked we listened to growing up, just like people say 80's sucked , then 70's was crap then 60's and so on..

see what i am saying?

this generation will say their kids music sucks and back in the day it was laddy gagga and other pop tarts that made music what it is, blah blah blah

as we get older, we think the new music usually sucks for the most part, it is nastalgia for us.
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What about someone who is part of the current generation and thinks our music sucks? I mean, it truly does. most of modern music is heavily edited so that you can bear hearing the singers voice, and don't realize how absolutely horrible the rest of the band is, if there even is a rest of the band. I like some local musicians who are around to an extent, but they just can't compare to real rock.
 
MrGuvernment said:
What is funny to see, is how we claim todays music sucks.... just like our parents claimed OUR music sucked we listened to growing up, just like people say 80's sucked , then 70's was crap then 60's and so on..

see what i am saying?

this generation will say their kids music sucks and back in the day it was laddy gagga and other pop tarts that made music what it is, blah blah blah

as we get older, we think the new music usually sucks for the most part, it is nastalgia for us.
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Somewhat disagree , my kids have a hard time finding todays music enjoyable for any length of time. They have no trouble listening to the originators of the rock from the mid 60's to thru the 80's and the odd one from then on. I don't have to name the bands, anyone from that era and a lot of todays kids knows what bands I'm referring to. Reason why the RIAA doesn't want to let go of and keep extending the copyright. This music will live on for quite a few more generations and the RIAA is making sure its all tied up in prolomged copyright so they can keep printing the money long after these fantastic artists have gone to rock heaven.
 
heatlesssun said:
I saw Lady GaGa interview on Oprah from last week and she really seems to be a fairly down to earth person overall. I don't think that's she's sold herself to the devil. GaGa is actually from a pretty wealthy family and she seems to be close to her parents and loves them.

And she basically explained all of her antics as self expression, nothing all that deep and dark. She's having a blast and enjoying life and seems to be very real about it. She could have a very long an profitable career ahead of her.
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I can't believe what I'm reading. You've been caught hook line and sinker. Opera is no different then Letterman.Conan, except its daytime for the women at home. Oprah is all marketing, promoting, and the latest gossip. As they say if you get on Oprah, you have either made it big or you will, you are a marketing item, whether your a human or a book. Every once in awhile she will have a true make you feel good, tear jerking human segment, to lull you into her grasp then market the next book, singer, movie star, or what ever she is being paid to promote. Yes I know she does spend apart of her millions to also promote her causes, nothing wrong with that and that is good. Just remember Ga Ga signed a contract and one of the things you don't do is when they guarantee you millions and fame you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
 
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