The Next Chapter of Eve: Dominion

I decided to give the Eve a shot. I'm in need of good MMO, since POTBS went down the drain long ago, and my favourite MMO - Dungeons and Dragons Online (European version) went to shithole due to Atari - Turbine - Codemasters feud.

Got it from Steam, now it patiently waits in queue after rest of games :) then I'll see how it's run, and I really hope to find some at least light RP corp/guild/whatever :)

Just one question, if I focus mainly on economy, with just occasional PVP will it be OK? That's something I been missing in POTBS - economy, though it was nicely thought stopped working after population went from heavy to light :)
 
MorgothPl said:
Just one question, if I focus mainly on economy, with just occasional PVP will it be OK? That's something I been missing in POTBS - economy, though it was nicely thought stopped working after population went from heavy to light :)
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Given that the market is player driven, anything you do with the market will be PVP. Buy low sell high before anyone else does. You just won't get blown up (As much). ;)

Playing the in-game market can be an Eve-career in and of itself. There's even market export tools so you can export raw data to Excel and whatnot. Eve is definitely worth looking into if you're an economy buff.
 
yea you can concentrate on the economy nothing says you have to do PVP stuff a lot of people have alts that just sells shit and make isk so their main can go blow expensive ships up and have replacements. I recently reactivated my account, selling some plex to raise funds for a new toon cause I sold my old one thinking I wont be back sigh
 
Well, maybe it's time for a new [h] corp?
I'd make it but my Corporate Management skills are dreadful..

Anyone?
 
D0n2k said:
Roliath, get a 21day buddy invite / trial off someone (...i'm here to help :) pm is your friend ). Activate account using that code sent on email and start playing via normal download (which should avoid any MAC/Steam issues)

Buy EVE via steam for $5... when installing, cancel the steam install (or go to manage games, option in there) - it then takes you to the EVE website for activation and gives option of choosing Existing Eve account or create new account, select the former, use your existing account name, and voila 51days for $5, which is an awesome deal.

Note to existing users, this can only be used to activate trial accounts, doesn't work on already active accounts - but $10 for 60days for your main if you do it right isn't too shabby at all.

I think they shortened the period buddy invites could be held for in the last patch, now 2 weeks or something, but the steam thing can be paid for now and then activated at a later date, anytime before the trial ends and the gametime gets added.
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pm sent!
 
Got question about races. It's not said on evelopedia - but will choosing a race limit me from quests/ships or are any races harder to play - meaning like in Master of Orion (I know, completely different but also complex game :p) some races do better at trading, others at fighting? Or it really doesn't matter whom I pick?
 
MorgothPl said:
will choosing a race limit me from quests/ships or are any races harder to play - meaning like in Master of Orion (I know, completely different but also complex game :p) some races do better at trading, others at fighting? Or it really doesn't matter whom I pick?
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It's more for back-story (Role Playing), what you'll look like, and what skill-sets you start out with.

Nothing is set in stone and if later you want to fly another race's ship, you can train it. Want to build stuff, train it. You can even change your attributes every year to train certain skills faster if for say you had a high intelligence but want perception to train weapon or piloting skills.
 
rmdashrrootsplat said:
It's more for back-story (Role Playing), what you'll look like, and what skill-sets you start out with.

Nothing is set in stone and if later you want to fly another race's ship, you can train it. Want to build stuff, train it. You can even change your attributes every year to train certain skills faster if for say you had a high intelligence but want perception to train weapon or piloting skills.
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Agreed. I may have started out as Caldari, and specialize in flying a Drake, but I still love taking out a Rifter (Minmatar) and stir up some trouble. You can fly what you want, train what you want, and almost get into any NPC corp for missions that you want.
 
Just be careful about splitting your training among the races... It'll just take longer to do the better t2 shit that way
 
agree with the above... race, bloodline & profession used to make a big difference prior to the changes a few patches ago (different starter skill sets), but now it is largely irrelevant as all start with low SP and get the double training speed bonus instead. The only skills difference now is racial frigate and guns, few hours training at most.

However..... for brand new players the choice does determine which region you start in, starter missions /agent and so 'free' ship you get .... so in all likelihood the ship/skill path you initially take will be based on this choice - easiest route, NPC chat channel more focused to that race etc (20 odd high-sec jumps minnie starter system to Jita for example would've put me off when fresh). So from that respect, although its ultimately not important the race choice can be important and worth researching what ships you want to be flying.

fwiw, if interested in pvp Gallente would get my vote. Armour tanking is still FOTM for many reasons (mid-slots are vital, remote shield reps bitch to fit) and they have consistently good ship line-up throughout the classes - and would put you in pretty good shape whatever route you take.
 
D0n2k said:
However..... for brand new players the choice does determine which region you start in.
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Heh... Totally forgot about that. I guess 20 jumps getting somewhere would be a major turnoff. I'm so used to flying around in a freighter that 20 jumps is nothing in a "normal" ship. :D
 
So I just re-subbed after having not played since June. Oye :(.

I love this game, just wish it didn't suck up my life as much as it does. Its really hard to play this game and NOT get totally sucked into it.
 
I'm sucked into it. It's one of most beautiful looking game, both MMO and SP. It's just amazing how perfectly well it looks. Chosen a Gallente, qued my first skills - as adviced in tutorial, and accepted my first mission. Will try it later on, as don't have time now for flying.

ANd my god, it is complex... so many menus, so many things to learn and everything explained in tutorial/help/wiki :) Seems I'm another victim of this one :D
 
After having been a long time with CVA in Providence I finally decided to leave and get myself on some Titan kills instead. I can still highly recommend Providence even to new players, especially now that infrastructure upgrades created some real value in Providence when you statistically find an outpost every other system.

As for me, I am now staging to take Delve back. Can't wait to run into OldPueblo on the battlefield. ;)
 
MorgothPl said:
I'm sucked into it. It's one of most beautiful looking game, both MMO and SP. It's just amazing how perfectly well it looks. Chosen a Gallente, qued my first skills - as adviced in tutorial, and accepted my first mission. Will try it later on, as don't have time now for flying.

ANd my god, it is complex... so many menus, so many things to learn and everything explained in tutorial/help/wiki :) Seems I'm another victim of this one :D
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I've been playing for only two months, but the two best pieces of advice I can give any new starting player:

1) Be patient and read/complete the tutorials. If you're not the patient type, find a different game.
2) When in doubt, right-click.

IMO the "difficulty curve" for eve is only severe if you try to rush into things. The noobie-friendly areas offer all sorts of opportunity for a player to learn about the game one-thing-at-a-time. If you try to read everything without trying it as-you-go, you might not retain much, and if you just try to do things without reading at all, you might get awfully frustrated.

Some noobie tips on skill training:
1) The "Learning Skills" are "worth it", but they're terribly boring. For your first character, I'd wager you'd have more fun only training lightly (up to level 3 or 4) and then focusing on functional skills.
2) Take a look at the Basic certificates. Certs are like "Achievements": almost useless, but they can give you an indication what kind of skills you'll need to perform a certain role. Certs are in your character sheet.
3) Spread your training at first, don't focus. Don't bother getting anything to level 5 unless its a prerequisite for something you know you need. Drones 5 is an exception - get it as soon as you have a reasonable size drone-bay.

And lastly: don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. You're never safe in EVE, not even in 1.0 security space. It's way better to be safe than sorry.
 
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aciddrink said:
Cons:
-Extreme server lag problems that have been around since day 1, and cant possibly be fixed. 500 player vs 500 player battles tend to do that to a server. I'm talking 1-2 minute lag, and/or complete mass disconnect for everybody involved.
-Those fun battles I mentioned? They are few and far between. You may play 3 solid days of just staring at space waiting for a fair fight to come your way before it actually does. Then the fight lasts 10-15 minutes and you're back to waiting.
-Ship losses in EVE are felt. When you lose a ship, you lose millions, or in some cases billions of ISK. ISK is the currency in EVE and the only real way for a new player to earn ISK is spend hours upon hours grinding, or purchase it with real money.
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re: lag
Yes it happens, and no, it's certainly not as bad as it was in the early years. The lag has gotten substantially better and is almost non-existent in smaller engagements (~400 in local). In larger slug fests it remains an issue especially if the node is not reinforced. In my experience filing a fleet fight petition does help and the response time is under 5 minutes.

re: waiting for a fight
Absolutely situational but let's just start by saying that the very goal of EVE is to not put yourself into a situation where you are participating in a fair fight. There is tons of daily PvP to be had, and if you were spending days waiting for it, well ..., then you were doing it wrong.

re: losses
It's never been easier than now to make ISK in EVE. Those who grind can now do so in systems with improved infrastructure such as the Pirate Detection Array 5 etc. However, EVE largely favors players who think before they grind. It is not difficult to make enough cash to support accounts and pvp losses with trading. The current technetium speculation is just one example of it. I personally bought in at 20k and sold 100,000 units at 57.5k, that was a profit of 3.75 billion ISK in just under a week. I still have plenty of tech left, and I actually bought back in when it fell to 25k the night before last. Regardless of broken math that led to the speculation, tech is easilyu going to settle around 50k with spikes sending it to 70.

All you need to do to make money in EVE is watch and learn to understand the market.
 
Tried the 14 day free trial, liking the looks, hud, and feel. Very pretty game. So I went out and purchased the special edition at BB. I seen it on a walk through. Looks like i'll be playing so if any of you want to see a newb msg me ingame (dont know how it works yet lawls). Ingame name is the same as here.
 
I got an E-Mail asking if I wanted to reactivate... again... because I still have over 1 billion ISK, which is way more than enough to afford a GTC, LOL.

If I get bored one evening maybe I'll reactivate and spread the wealth amongst the newbies once again. :) I did this a few months ago and people seemed generally happy about it!

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Thuleman said:
re: lag
Yes it happens, and no, it's certainly not as bad as it was in the early years. The lag has gotten substantially better and is almost non-existent in smaller engagements (~400 in local). In larger slug fests it remains an issue especially if the node is not reinforced. In my experience filing a fleet fight petition does help and the response time is under 5 minutes.

re: waiting for a fight
Absolutely situational but let's just start by saying that the very goal of EVE is to not put yourself into a situation where you are participating in a fair fight. There is tons of daily PvP to be had, and if you were spending days waiting for it, well ..., then you were doing it wrong.

re: losses
It's never been easier than now to make ISK in EVE. Those who grind can now do so in systems with improved infrastructure such as the Pirate Detection Array 5 etc. However, EVE largely favors players who think before they grind. It is not difficult to make enough cash to support accounts and pvp losses with trading. The current technetium speculation is just one example of it. I personally bought in at 20k and sold 100,000 units at 57.5k, that was a profit of 3.75 billion ISK in just under a week. I still have plenty of tech left, and I actually bought back in when it fell to 25k the night before last. Regardless of broken math that led to the speculation, tech is easilyu going to settle around 50k with spikes sending it to 70.

All you need to do to make money in EVE is watch and learn to understand the market.
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Rub it in more why dont you. I sucked at making money in EVE. I tried market trading but I seem to always get undercut by .01 isk or I just didnt make enough profit to make the time invested worthwhile.
Not sure what technetium is since I havent played EVE in a few months but it seems to be profitable if you can work the market.
 
FOr the first "paid" ship to upgrade from my gallente starting vessel, would you suggest Navitar or Iteron? want to do some career missions also some mining, as I want to enter PVP only after I learn a bit more skills and learn how to fly around :)

(and yes, after learningx3 I got slotted drones/mining drones/gallente frigate x3/afterburner/mining) Might be not the perfect order and not the best way, but I rather learn the things hard way, as you best learn from mistakes :)
 
WarriorX said:
Rub it in more why dont you. I sucked at making money in EVE. I tried market trading but I seem to always get undercut by .01 isk or I just didnt make enough profit to make the time invested worthwhile.
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If you are facing the .01 ISK war then one of two, or both, of the following is true; Either you are trading the wrong items, or at the wrong location.

I have actually seen that quite often over time, folks enter the market based on what they have read and are facing stiff competition, because everyone is working off of the same information. Stuff you read about can help you get started, but to become successful in the long term you need to be able to come up with your own ideas on how to profit.

For example, I buy Oxygen from NPC vendors and sell it to players who need it for POS fuel. I make 45% profit on that trade, consistently. I only sell 864,000 units at a time, because that is what fits into my freighter. I buy at 92.8, and I sell at 135. The profit for one freighter load is 36,460,800 ISK. I sell 6 freighters per month. That's roughly 218 million ISK in profit. Why am I able to do that? Because most everyone else says that hauling Oxygen over who knows how many jumps for a 36 mil profit is just not enough money to make it worth the effort. Wrong! I spend very little actual attended time to do this, I would estimate about 5 minutes per sale, so in 5 minutes I made 36 million, the rest happens unattended. This is only one of over 30 different income streams I have, many are even more profitable than 36 mil per 5 minutes.

I buy Clear Icicle for 110k per unit at the location it is mined. With my refining skills and standings I am able to refine it and sell it for a profit of 13k per block. The freighter fits 864 blocks, that's 11 mil in profit for again about 5 minutes of work per load.

The trick is to find things that don't take much time at all. If you need to constantly sit and adjust your orders to counter the .01 ISK warriors then you are losing time and not making money.

So often I hear "uh, 10k profit per item isn't worth my time, I won't sell stuff unless I make at least 1 mil profit", those are the guys who drop out of trade eventually. No one ever went broke making a profit. While you chat to your alliance mates on your main you may as well haul stuff on your alt.

There are so many ways to make cash in EVE. There is a gigantic price differential on some minerals between Empire and 0.0 NPC space. I am able to buy Nocxium at 45 isk per unit, and sell it for 96 in Empire. Using a cloaking transport I can move 1.2 million units per run for a profit of approximately 54 million. The transport doesn't fly empty to the NPC station, it's dropping off goods for sale there on which I again make profit. If it were just for Nocxium I would make about 50 mil for one hour of work, the item sales add another 300-400 million in profits to that run. My transport holds 12,000 m3. I pack it full of 5 m3 items that I sell for 100k - 150k profit per item. It's about an hour an a half of work and it pays let's say 350 million.

Yes you need to be able to afford 12,000 m3 of T2 items, and you need to be able to afford to lose it if you do get popped (unlikely, but ofc possible). But even if you only have your starting 5,000 ISK you can right away start trading to make profit. T1 and T2 ammo trades in empire are very profitable.

There is so much opportunity out there that you can literally pick and choose what you want to do to earn cash.
 
the thing with trading is no one in their right mind is going to give you their profitable trade route, you have to investigate it yourself. Its a player driven ecnonomy, once word gets out that item x is profitable then it is no longer profitable and that item that people all say isn't profitable well its profitable now cause there isn't much competition
 
Couple buddies make billions each week suiciding people in empire.

I bought and sold characters for a while and made billions, but I was lucky enough to have a huge isk infusion to start with (buddy gave me 15 bil) and it costs a bit of money to hang on to each one and train them.

Some of the guys I play with have an obnoxious amount of isk and pretty much each one of them gets it in a different way.
 
If any of you are around, I just purchased the SE EVE Online, name sdotcarter give me a shout.
 
yo squishy I'm looking to buy a toon, you got any pvp oriented in the 30m to 40m sp range? you still doing the char trading business?
 
Edit. Got the retail box, looking for someone to send my stuff aquired from the 14day trial plus ill trade referal for "lootz". PM Plz
 
kledar586 said:
yo squishy I'm looking to buy a toon, you got any pvp oriented in the 30m to 40m sp range? you still doing the char trading business?
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I don't sorry, I sold my last char about 3 months ago. Now I have a pile of isk which will buy me ships for years (hopefully) so I don't bother anymore.
 
So I just reactivated my account for the 5 days after more than a year absence, and just wondering what should I do in those 5 days to max my enjoyment out of Eve again. I used to pvp quite a bit, and noticed I still have a jump clone and some pvp ships up in 1H4V that I might jump into and see what happens.

Is faction warfare worth joining to get some quick pvp fun?
 
waz said:
So I just reactivated my account for the 5 days after more than a year absence, and just wondering what should I do in those 5 days to max my enjoyment out of Eve again. I used to pvp quite a bit, and noticed I still have a jump clone and some pvp ships up in 1H4V that I might jump into and see what happens.

Is faction warfare worth joining to get some quick pvp fun?
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if you find a good corp yea, the random FW guys are :rolleyes:
 
There used to be a [H]ardCorp, but the issue is that in EVE you really want to play with people who meet the following two criteria:
- active during your playtime
- same take on EVE as you

Just because we are all here on [H] doesn't mean that the two criteria above are met. OTOH, if you join a community like Something Awful, where everyone is a jackass, well then you can be sure that those guys will get along in game just fine.
 
Thanks for the info Thule.
Anyone know of a corp who is active in the evening/late, pvp orientated that would accept a newb?
 
sdotcarter said:
Thanks for the info Thule.
Anyone know of a corp who is active in the evening/late, pvp orientated that would accept a newb?
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It would help if you noted which timezone your "evening/late" is :)
 
So I joined the red vs blue war, and its been awesome cheap pvp fun with everyone in T1 frigates for the most part. Anyone lookins for some quick and easy fun should come and join. I'm in the Red Federation, in game name commander k27. Think I might take ccp up on the 9.95 extension.
 
sdotcarter said:
Aww you got me NewbHanded. Eastern Time Zone.
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Well the answer I was about to give has already been given:

waz said:
So I joined the red vs blue war, and its been awesome cheap pvp fun with everyone in T1 frigates for the most part. Anyone lookins for some quick and easy fun should come and join. I'm in the Red Federation, in game name commander k27. Think I might take ccp up on the 9.95 extension.
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