Is it Time to Reconsider Firefox?

Of course Internet Explorer has the lowest number,no one uses it so the hackers stopped bothering looking for vulnerabilities.:rolleyes:
 
i just removed FF and Chrome and went back to solely an IE machine. FF was my browser of choice for about 2 years.
 
if you don't want to use script, then turn them off in IE. Not sure why everyone thinks you are forced to use them in every browser other than firefox.
 
Yes you can turn scripting off in IE, but noscript is slightly more convenient at white-listing since you can white-list all sites on a page. But I don't think disabling scripting really makes a difference, with DEP/ASLR and stack and heap protections, plus disabling plug-ins (which don't opt in to the already mentioned protections sometimes), and sandboxing, that should be enough.
 
yup, FF and NoScript just make it much more convenient. You can see exactly what sites are trying to run scripts and lets you whitelist/blacklist them on the fly with 2 clicks of the mouse
 
devil22 said:
You don't realize, not everyone is tech sauvy enough to even google for "wga crack" - also the activation code provides a way of knowing for sure if the software is pirated or legit, this doesn't concern the consumers much, but corporate customers can't pirate windows on their 15,000 workstations because it's auditable and one anonymous call from a disgruntled worker will cost them dearly. Seriously, you think MS, in this age of 6mbit connections in every city, should have absolutely no protection on their software? All software is crackable given enough time and effort, all you can do is try your best to make non-tech sauvy users have too hard of a time trying to figure out how to bypass it to make it worth pirating.
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sure, but windows genuine advantage is neither genuine or an advantage. and it does next to nothing to prevent piracy. but it does a LOT to inconvenience the legit user. are you going to tell me that they can't do a better job then this?

but I really wasn't trying to derail the thread with MSBS. bottom line, no ad and noscript as said above for the win. I can still support sites I like (his one) and still have total control over what runs on my browser.
 
novadude said:
Well Opera's just in an odd position where you still need to run IE or firefox for some sites, such as Gmail and ~10% of the other websites out there because they just don't work with Opera. Other than that it's a wonderful browser.
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While I agree with the general statement made in this post... I have no issues running Gmail in Opera. I've been using that in Opera for about 3 years now. Google's chat feature doesn't work in Opera however. Interestingly, the trial version of Google Wave only seems to work with Firefox, Safari, and Chrome (no IE yet).
 
I'm currently trying out Chrome but I can still see myself going back to FF. Internet Explorer though? Hell no.
 
86 5.0L said:
let me know when IE looks like this :p

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Close enough?

IE8.jpg
 
not enough :p

opaque bar, status bar, and title bar are there ;)
 
You can remove the titlebar text with a registry hack. That's all that Firefox theme is. The titlebar's there, but the title's removed with the registry hack within the theme pack.
 
its an addon for FF, probably a reg hack in itself, but I also have adblock plus, so...

as long as FF has addons, FF > IE
 
I used FireFox for years. Loaded it up w/ all kinds of addons, blockers, noscripts, greasemonkey, etc.

Then I got Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and started using IE 8. Man, what a difference in speed and stability! I still use FireFox at work some, but I don't miss it at all at home.

64 bit IE + InPrivate browsing >>> FireFox + any plugin/addon/blocker
 
Valset said:
sure, but windows genuine advantage is neither genuine or an advantage. and it does next to nothing to prevent piracy. but it does a LOT to inconvenience the legit user. are you going to tell me that they can't do a better job then this?

but I really wasn't trying to derail the thread with MSBS. bottom line, no ad and noscript as said above for the win. I can still support sites I like (his one) and still have total control over what runs on my browser.
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How has genuine advantage ever inconvenienced you?

Any time I've run across it, installing Service Packs, IE8, MSE, all it is, is one extra next button to click for it to verify. It's almost completely a non-issue. I can't see how this inconveniences a legitimate user at all.
 
Or preventing me from installing some applications, while others work JUST fine.

Odd thing that.

I cracked it, and it worked fine, happened to me in Windows 7 (1x) vista(0x) xp(lost count)
 
Menelmarar said:
How has genuine advantage ever inconvenienced you?

Any time I've run across it, installing Service Packs, IE8, MSE, all it is, is one extra next button to click for it to verify. It's almost completely a non-issue. I can't see how this inconveniences a legitimate user at all.
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I think it's pretty obvious why WGA inconveniences him. Legit user my ass. WGA server messed up what? Twice in all of Microsoft history? And people are still riding Microsoft's ass about it like it happens all the time.

Anyone who complains about WGA inconveniencing them is either exaggerating or lying about being legit.
 
WGA is an inconvenience to the legit user, its so ridiculously easy to bypass if you know what you are doing. A regular joe has a good chance of messing up validation if he does not know what it is and what it does or how it works.
 
Azhar said:
I think it's pretty obvious why WGA inconveniences him. Legit user my ass. WGA server messed up what? Twice in all of Microsoft history? And people are still riding Microsoft's ass about it like it happens all the time.

Anyone who complains about WGA inconveniencing them is either exaggerating or lying about being legit.
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fail, I have had several issues most recent with vista. (none on my own system BTW) at any rate Google is your friend. if you really have an issue when I get back I will sent you the reciept from my 3 copies of the windows 7 preorder. and lets not get into the xp issues (corporate installs). (though we should probably start a different thread.) I still can figure people out, DRM really doesn't work finally.
 
Though, it's interesting how we take a high number of reported vulnerabilities as a bad thing, when it in fact could be the exact opposite. I'd much rather a browser developer disclose all vulnerabilities, than hide them all.
 
I use three. Internet Explorer for certificates, Fire Fox for major browsing, and Chrome for my netbook that lacks screen resolution.

Each have their own strengths. For the majority of usage though, Fire Fox seems the best for my tastes.
 
I think this thread is placing too much emphasis on the companies publishing their vulnerabilities...Don't you think that in itself is a vulnerability? I can understand where it's good in open source as it gives everyone a chance to work on it, but why would a closed source dev team want to publish their vulnerabilities until they have a fix ready to go, and what good would it do aside from making it easier if you are a script kiddie/etc?

It's like putting a sign up in your front yard to tell burglars that the front door is locked, but you can get in through the garage.
 
joblo37pam said:
I think this thread is placing too much emphasis on the companies publishing their vulnerabilities...Don't you think that in itself is a vulnerability? I can understand where it's good in open source as it gives everyone a chance to work on it, but why would a closed source dev team want to publish their vulnerabilities until they have a fix ready to go, and what good would it do aside from making it easier if you are a script kiddie/etc?

It's like putting a sign up in your front yard to tell burglars that the front door is locked, but you can get in through the garage.
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Nah it's more like a clerk at a store telling you that one brand of doorknob sucks because the locks can easily be compromised, so they recommend another brand.

They're not giving vulnerability codes. The people who do this will do it anyways.
 
so firefox is the new IE??

Interesting attack numbers... IE fared pretty well but I just can't see myself ever clicking on the blue "e" ever again :<

oh firefox, please get yer $#!+ together and stop dabbling so much in toys and addons...
 
indokyne said:
so firefox is the new IE??

Interesting attack numbers... IE fared pretty well but I just can't see myself ever clicking on the blue "e" ever again :<

oh firefox, please get yer $#!+ together and stop dabbling so much in toys and addons...
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toys and addons are user made.
 
Valset said:
security is largely a user issue, not a browser one. that article fails there. and really, if you want safe browsing then nothing beats FF with NoScript. sorry but at the end of the day no browser is secure enough to overcome user ineptitude.

and seconded the comment about more likely to report and respond to bugs / security issues. Microsoft still thinks WGA prevents piracy. That already tells me that they don't have a clue.
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WGA prevents casual piracy because most people don't know how to bypass it, so it does work, just not for people who have a clue, which is a very very very very small % of Windows users, so no, they do have a clue, and they are defeating piracy, just not the kind you and me know about more in depth.

Also with well known web site getting hit and exploited, it isn't going to always be user error, i cant wait until a site like cnn.com or something gets nailed and starts getting access to people's computer, all those people who claim they need no AV and no antispyware / malware apps cause they browser safe :rolleyes:
 
I take issue with schemes like WGA and product activation because it assumes everyone is guilty until they can prove that they are not. It's the old argument "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide". Bollocks to that. If a company has your money then you should not have to jump through hoops to use the product. This isn't a gripe about piracy either. It's just no fun to swap out a motherboard as an upgrade or a defective part replace and have stuff stop working just because you changed a component.

McGuv: The biggest problem with piracy isn't Joe Freebie that doesn't want to pay for Windows, it's counterfeiters and companies that mass install beyond what their VLK's are allotted for. The problem is that those people are hard to crack down on, whereas home users, because they are largely technically ignorant, are a lot easier to control. Microsoft knows the hardcore pirates will win so they squeeze the home and small business users instead. If you do the math, most homes have more than one computer. If for the sake of argument the average computer-equipped home has 3 computers, that would cut into their home user sales by 2/3 assuming everyone is buying the OS upgrade out of the box. By enforcing this, they get a lot more cash. Unfortunately the big pirates skate while the home user has to deal with the frustration if for some reason there's a problem and WGA doesn't play nice with them. That's why I don't like that sort of thing. I just wish there was a better solution to the large scale piracy. Maybe the prices on the OS could drop a bit if they could find a good way to stop that. For now we're stuck with it.
 
With Firefox having 44% of all reported browser vulnerabilities in the first half of the year, this guy wants to know if it is time to reconsider using Firefox.
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Linux would be like this too if Windows didn't exist.
 
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