Intel: Larrabee Graphics Chip Delayed

Atech said:
You should read better...fact of the matter is that NVIDIA has had 2/3 of the market share for a long time...ever since the NV40 NVIDIA has had a good marketlead...because AMD(then ATi) didn't give user a good enough inctment to cross over.
Then there was the blunder formerly known as R600....took AMD copule of generations to get that right.

Now the focus is moving to GPGPU and there NVIDA has the lead...AMD is hardly present...thanks for wasting my time :)
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When did I talk about marketshare? I didn't. If you are going to talk about reading comprehension maybe you should stick to that I wrote and not what you felt like talking about. If you want to change the subject completely and talk about financial information you could quite easily start a new thread and I would be happy to discuss it with you.

We were talking about performance, functionality, and features not marketshare. Even that I suppose should be it's own thread.

Now since I wasn't responding to you in the first place I don't understand exactly how you deciding to waste your own time is any fault of mine. Maybe "you should read better" that way you wouldn't inadvertently respond to someone who wasn't speaking to you and accidentally waste your own time.
 
kac77 said:
When did I talk about marketshare? I didn't. If you are going to talk about reading comprehension maybe you should stick to that I wrote and not what you felt like talking about. If you want to change the subject completely and talk about financial information you could quite easily start a new thread and I would be happy to discuss it with you.

We were talking about performance, functionality, and features not marketshare. Even that I suppose should be it's own thread.

Now since I wasn't responding to you in the first place I don't understand exactly how you deciding to waste your own time is any fault of mine. Maybe "you should read better" that way you wouldn't inadvertently respond to someone who wasn't speaking to you and accidentally waste your own time.
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The "comprehension" by the majority of the market is that NIVIDA is the best.
You can argue semantic and play ostrich all you want....the facts don't change.
And with NVIDIA pushing TWIMTBP, PhysX ect I have no problem understanding why people think as the do...those things are why I have a NVIDIA GPU...

"Performance" is more than benchmarks and it is by no accident that NVIDIA is the market leader.
 
Atech said:
The "comprehension" by the majority of the market is that NIVIDA is the best.
You can argue semantic and play ostrich all you want....the facts don't change.
And with NVIDIA pushing TWIMTBP, PhysX ect I have no problem understanding why people think as the do...those things are why I have a NVIDIA GPU...

"Performance" is more than benchmarks and it is by no accident that NVIDIA is the market leader.
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http://vr-zone.com/articles/gpu-shipments-grew-21.2-in-q3-09/7936.html?doc=7936
However, Q3 '09 sees Nvidia's market share finally succumb in alarming ways. Nvidia's market share dropped a full 4.3% over just one quarter, from 29.2% to 24.9%. Intel and AMD were both winners, increasing their market share to 52.7% and 19.8% respectively.
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Back on topic though. There's a lot of negative things we can read into delays in technology, yet we should remain positive that the delays will result in a more solid technology in the future. No use rushing things out the oven only half-baked.
 
Atech said:
The "comprehension" by the majority of the market is that NIVIDA is the best.
You can argue semantic and play ostrich all you want....the facts don't change.
And with NVIDIA pushing TWIMTBP, PhysX ect I have no problem understanding why people think as the do...those things are why I have a NVIDIA GPU...

"Performance" is more than benchmarks and it is by no accident that NVIDIA is the market leader.
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How are benchmarks semantics? :rolleyes: Those are the facts. You don't like them, that's not my fault. I can't help you there.

Since this is getting way off topic please start another thread if you want to talk about mindshare, marketshare or some other feel good metric and I'll join you there. I'm not going to continue this discussion here when it's suppose to be about Larrabee.
 
kac77 said:
How are benchmarks semantics? :rolleyes: Those are the facts. You don't like them, that's not my fault. I can't help you there.

Since this is getting way off topic please start another thread if you want to talk about mindshare, marketshare or some other feel good metric and I'll join you there. I'm not going to continue this discussion here when it's suppose to be about Larrabee.
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I don't game "benchmarks", I play games...
And NVIDIA's driversupport and feature support is bugger than AMD's...hence why I as a gamer buy NVIDIA.

No need for "chuck pathces", since NVIDIA works close with developers (TWIMTBP) and more often that not we see AMD's hardware suffer from driver-issues, taking a long time to fix (NFS - Shift anyone?)

I don't need that sorts of worries.
 
Atech said:
I don't game "benchmarks", I play games...
And NVIDIA's driversupport and feature support is bugger than AMD's...hence why I as a gamer buy NVIDIA.

No need for "chuck pathces", since NVIDIA works close with developers (TWIMTBP) and more often that not we see AMD's hardware suffer from driver-issues, taking a long time to fix (NFS - Shift anyone?)

I don't need that sorts of worries.
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you meant AMD drivers are bugger then Nvidia's. I will agree that the do seem to take a lot longer to get around to fixing things and have the best developer relations. but they do have their issues (I am currently dealing with one) so I would not say that AMD drivers are "bugger" as Nvidia drops the ball on a lot of things.

having said that I will def concede that as far as supporting games AMD has a lot of work to do to catch up to Nvidia
 
Valset said:
you meant AMD drivers are bugger then Nvidia's. I will agree that the do seem to take a lot longer to get around to fixing things and have the best developer relations. but they do have their issues (I am currently dealing with one) so I would not say that AMD drivers are "bugger" as Nvidia drops the ball on a lot of things.

having said that I will def concede that as far as supporting games AMD has a lot of work to do to catch up to Nvidia
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And it is not just in gaming.
NVIDIA's GPGPU platform and tools are lightyears ahead of AMD's..AMD need to realize that there is a lot more than the GPU itself to selling cards.
 
Let's see what happened to IBM and Cell development... What the hell did happen to Sun Microsystems?... Let's see what Anand has to say about HPC...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/core-values-whats-next-for-nvidia/
NVIDIA believes there's roughly $1b to be made in these HPC markets over the next 24 months, and although it's only made a bit over $10m so far, the company thinks that Fermi is going to be the turning point for Tesla revenue. Let's be realistic, though: at its peak, NVIDIA used to pull in around $1b in a single quarter. Tesla alone won't be enough for NVIDIA, not at those numbers.
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Atech said:
And it is not just in gaming.
NVIDIA's GPGPU platform and tools are lightyears ahead of AMD's..AMD need to realize that there is a lot more than the GPU itself to selling cards.
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there is still a LONG way to go before that is true of the consumer market. and one of the biggest (if not the biggest) GPU HPC is using 4870X2, not Tesla cards. it will be interesting to see just what fermi brings to the table after all the smoke is cleared.
 
While this may sound fanboyish, I think it hilarious that Intel got their butt kicked and handed back to them on a silver platter in terms of performance in the 3D graphics market! I shall laugh for awhile while they tuck tail and whimper in the face of two discrete 3D graphics giants!

While Intel has been able to keep their tick tock cycle with CPU's as AMD and nVidia have with discreet graphics, they should have known better than to try and take on years of experience in one fell swoop.

I will certainly look forward to the parallel computing aspect of Larrabee, but I still enjoy hearing about Intel's mishaps because I'd rather have several good CPU developers as opposed to one arrogant juggernaut and several smaller companies who are truly being innovative as their budget for R&D allows.

At least they saw the writing on the wall of discreet graphics pwnage by AMD and nVidia before embarrassing themselves with an over-hyped, half-baked product!
 
Agent_N said:
While this may sound fanboyish, I think it hilarious that Intel got their butt kicked and handed back to them on a silver platter in terms of performance in the 3D graphics market! I shall laugh for awhile while they tuck tail and whimper in the face of two discrete 3D graphics giants!

While Intel has been able to keep their tick tock cycle with CPU's as AMD and nVidia have with discreet graphics, they should have known better than to try and take on years of experience in one fell swoop.

I will certainly look forward to the parallel computing aspect of Larrabee, but I still enjoy hearing about Intel's mishaps because I'd rather have several good CPU developers as opposed to one arrogant juggernaut and several smaller companies who are truly being innovative as their budget for R&D allows.

At least they saw the writing on the wall of discreet graphics pwnage by AMD and nVidia before embarrassing themselves with an over-hyped, half-baked product!
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a little humble pie is often a good thing for people. but I would not count them out yet
 
here is some rumors floating around that Larrabee

that it is in sandy bridge.

that dreamworks has been using Larrabee for about a year.

finally that larrabee 4 will be seen as a consumer product in 6 months.
 
i need to wake up before i post anyways i find the above 3 rumors laughable
 
DaedalusHelios said:
That might be true if it wasn't the fact that nVidia is still doing better financially than AMD/ATi. Ati has a solid win in the enthusiast market currently but it still isn't even near potentially paying off the amount it borrowed in past years. Nvidia is making an excellent profit in every other market they are in right now except physics which is difficult to quantify. AMD was about to go under just a couple years ago... you think they just waved a magic wand and it disappeared? I think ATi is putting out a great product but remove your blinders and see the fact that the enthusiast market makes up a small percentage of profits in the real world to these companies. ATi can win the battle and still lose the war. They need better processors that don't lag behind a year with its direct competitor.
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How 'bout you remove your blinders and realize that discrete graphics has maybe a decade of life left in it. The worst hurt will happen to Nvidia if they don't get something other than a graphics platform to rely on for a revenue stream.

AMD/ATI can stay in the "value" position forever and lots of people still think AMD processors are superior based on factors other than pure performance (I'm not one of them by the way, just devil's advocate)

Also don't forget that 4 years ago AMD was cleaning Intel's clock and doing quite well till bad management put them in the RED. The landscape of today is meaningless and the writing on the wall is obvious.

I prefer Nvidia graphics to ATI even now but the reality is that they're days are numbered if they don't hedge some bets.

:cool:
 
jwalk6 said:
How 'bout you remove your blinders and realize that discrete graphics has maybe a decade of life left in it. The worst hurt will happen to Nvidia if they don't get something other than a graphics platform to rely on for a revenue stream.

AMD/ATI can stay in the "value" position forever and lots of people still think AMD processors are superior based on factors other than pure performance (I'm not one of them by the way, just devil's advocate)

Also don't forget that 4 years ago AMD was cleaning Intel's clock and doing quite well till bad management put them in the RED. The landscape of today is meaningless and the writing on the wall is obvious.

I prefer Nvidia graphics to ATI even now but the reality is that their days are numbered if they don't hedge some bets.

:cool:
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Dammit! I wish I could edit on news posts!
 
jwalk6 said:
How 'bout you remove your blinders and realize that discrete graphics has maybe a decade of life left in it. The worst hurt will happen to Nvidia if they don't get something other than a graphics platform to rely on for a revenue stream.

AMD/ATI can stay in the "value" position forever and lots of people still think AMD processors are superior based on factors other than pure performance (I'm not one of them by the way, just devil's advocate)

Also don't forget that 4 years ago AMD was cleaning Intel's clock and doing quite well till bad management put them in the RED. The landscape of today is meaningless and the writing on the wall is obvious.

I prefer Nvidia graphics to ATI even now but the reality is that they're days are numbered if they don't hedge some bets.

:cool:
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Nvidia already is making plenty in Tegra deals, Tesla, and workstation to profit in the coming years from it alone. AMD/ATi is only recovering thanks to ATi profiting as much as it does. AMD is still trying to pay off its debts. Nvidia is not in that situation because its in more markets than AMD is, and hasn't accumulated the same debt. A company's survival is in its financial numbers and not its product's value so lets not bother bringing in those who buy AMD/ATi because they think its ethical. Its simply delusional.

If what you say "discrete graphics has maybe a decade of life left in it", the one to be hurt the most would be AMD/ATi. Nvidia is in more markets outside of discrete GPUs than AMD/ATi is, and thats the main thing paying off AMD's huge debt.
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Nvidia already is making plenty in Tegra deals, Tesla, and workstation to profit in the coming years from it alone. AMD/ATi is only recovering thanks to ATi profiting as much as it does. AMD is still trying to pay off its debts. Nvidia is not in that situation because its in more markets than AMD is, and hasn't accumulated the same debt. A company's survival is in its financial numbers and not its product's value so lets not bother bringing in those who buy AMD/ATi because they think its ethical. Its simply delusional.

If what you say "discrete graphics has maybe a decade of life left in it", the one to be hurt the most would be AMD/ATi. Nvidia is in more markets outside of discrete GPUs than AMD/ATi is, and thats the main thing paying off AMD's huge debt.
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Please send me the name of your travel agent.

I too want to vacation on planet D-Nial.

Where did I say anything about buying AMD/ATI was ethical? I said "value" which is
where most of the market is according to your own post.

Nvidia was at $15.69 a share today which is a drop of about 60 cents
since the supposed "bump" in share price since the Intel announcement.

Doesn't seem misfortune of a competitor is doing much for them...:cool:
 
jwalk6 said:
Please send me the name of your travel agent.

I too want to vacation on planet D-Nial.

Where did I say anything about buying AMD/ATI was ethical? I said "value" which is
where most of the market is according to your own post.

Nvidia was at $15.69 a share today which is a drop of about 60 cents
since the supposed "bump" in share price since the Intel announcement.

Doesn't seem misfortune of a competitor is doing much for them...:cool:
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The stock market has many more variables than a few press releases. Bad jokes do nothing to back up your reasoning. I am making statements based on financial results and market trends over the last year. I don't wish any major competitor out of the market as that would drive product prices even higher.

Some people back up AMD because they believe it is an ethical company. That is what I was referring to. Value segment is an important part of discrete GPU's which are a small market. I am saying it isn't enough to overtake Nvidia in the long run unless they diversify their offerings like Nvidia is trying to do.

Its not a sports team so quit with the childish insults. I am using a 4890 in my main rig that I purchased for $125. But feel free to continue with it. I would love to see Banned under your name. Then you might actually learn something. :D
 
DaedalusHelios said:
The stock market has many more variables than a few press releases. Bad jokes do nothing to back up your reasoning. I am making statements based on financial results and market trends over the last year. I don't wish any major competitor out of the market as that would drive product prices even higher.

Some people back up AMD because they believe it is an ethical company. That is what I was referring to. Value segment is an important part of discrete GPU's which are a small market. I am saying it isn't enough to overtake Nvidia in the long run unless they diversify their offerings like Nvidia is trying to do.

Its not a sports team so quit with the childish insults. I am using a 4890 in my main rig that I purchased for $125. But feel free to continue with it. I would love to see Banned under your name. Then you might actually learn something. :D
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Childish?
I would love to see Banned under your name. Then you might actually learn something
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Really.

That would just make your day I suppose....

You took the sports analogy as an insult?

Well, the most I can do then is place a permanent [IGNORE]

Sorry to challenge your world view, have a great day!

:cool:
 
jwalk6 said:
Childish?


Really.

That would just make your day I suppose....

You took the sports analogy as an insult?

Well, the most I can do then is place a permanent [IGNORE]

Sorry to challenge your world view, have a great day!

:cool:
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Its not challenging someone thats bad. Its acting like an ass with stupid comments like:

Please send me the name of your travel agent.

I too want to vacation on planet D-Nial.
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Yeah thats childish, and banning someone for acting that way isn't childish, its on par with [H].
 
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